Mini 1080 -- txtMafia -- Game OVER

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VOTE: RayFrost

..for having a long, distinguished history.

Tasky forgot Mini 1003.

I spell everything out in my real-life text messages, too.

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Antihero: Perhaps because I'm not scum. Very easy to miss that which does not exist.

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Antihero: I don't care why

I'm

scummy. Besides, I made only one post when you voted me, so I figured it was a BS reason.

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So, excuse me for not responding when I feel there's nothing to respond to. "Diction" is going to be a bit hard to read in a txtMafia game, I'm afraid.

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Posting spree here. You are correct. Everyone here has some history. Why does that make my reason awkward?

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Do you think I am defending myself? I was actually questioning you.

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Antihero: Ignoring Korts and The Fonz makes it awkward? Sorry, but... now you're pulling shit out of your ass.

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Now, since you've so kindly brought it up, explanation for Fishy would be great, thanks.

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So, excuse me for not responding when I feel there's nothing to respond to.

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Now I'm confused, Antihero. You're voting Equinox for reasons that are bullshit, but your reasoning for calling for Fishy scum is actually sound for page 2.

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Because I log on so much? lol

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Here you go. Mafia roleblocker, did an epic fail on a Day 3 gambit.

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Hypocrisy time. Korts, why did you point out Antihero's vote in particular here?

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Antihero: No, sir. Just the newbie and the marathon.

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Second post at Korts: Why would my vote imply RayFrost-scum?

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Posting spree, again. I was calling myself hypocritical, not you, Korts.

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RayFrost: 50+ games, I'd call that "long and distinguished."

Korts: Enough hypotheticals. Do you agree or disagree with Antihero's case, and why?

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How is AurorusVox actively lurking, Antihero?

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That's not an answer, Korts.

Unvote, Vote: Korts

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RayFrost: "Meh, okay"? That's...it?

Would I be correct in assuming your vote on Tasky is not a random vote?

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RayFrost: Saw the original question. Fair enough. Re Tasky, I'm not seeing what you're seeing. Elaborate.

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Korts: The central point of Antihero's case was my behavior was alignment-relevant. You've skirted that entirely.

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I asked you first.

Both of Tasky's posts look like idle banter to me, and it's page 1. Your point now, please.

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Yet "he has a point." Yeah, I totally get it.

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How convenient, Antihero. Maybe you can help me find the key to this and tell me how RayFrost's alignment depends on mine.

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Indeed, Korts did say that. You then said it "got lost in conversation," which implies you thought it, too.

I did not miss 88.

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If that's the case, RayFrost, why did you pair up Antihero and Tasky here? Looks like a serious vote to me.

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Antihero: Fair enough. Why did you ask me about post 88?

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Antihero: You misinterpreted. <resisting urge to insert smiley here>
RayFrost: You're not getting away with that. What does the enter key have to do with it?

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To add to the above, I'm now asking about the pairing and not just the vote.

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WOW. How did you go from "I don't

care

" to "I don't

like

"? That's quite the big jump. Second post coming.

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The difference in diction between shorter posts (NOT abbreviations) and longer posts is actually significant, esp. when we're all cutting our sentences short.

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RayFrost: And how exactly did Antihero come into this equation?

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RayFrost: Oh, this? I thought you were talking to Korts. Fair enough.

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I'm forced to edit every single post to meet the 160-character limit. I'm PRETTY SURE that affects how I write things.

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Just out of curiosity, everyone: What is your time zone, and how active do you expect to be?

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Bah.

Also, I don't like my vote anymore.

UNVOTE:

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Quick responses, I like. UTC-7 until Nov. 7, then it's UTC-8. mothrax, what about the rest?

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ywolf20084: How's the reading coming along?
I thought Herodotus's question was genuine, but Fonz has a point.

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Typo. Kind of weird.

Herodotus: What's your previous exp. with games with day talk?

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Apparently, crywolf20084 likes ignoring questions from people she finds scummy. That's totally cool.
Tasky: Huh, wut?

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What OMGUS?

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To be clear: crywolf20084 voted me based on something that happened on page 2, and she was still reading, it seemed. (TBC)

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Discussion about diction and a day later, I ask if she's done. No answer.

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Anti, this piques my interest. Why'd you qualify my bitterness as "not a scumtell"?

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lol Antihero. I know it's not a scum tell. (Obv.) Why did you feel the need to qualify the point you made in 158?

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Putting agreement about OMGUS not being a scum tell aside, were you afraid I might think you're accusing me of being scum or smth? (TBC)

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I really don't get what you were trying to say, as a big picture. (My gut says this line of inquiry is a red herring, but humor me anyway.)

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OH COOL. Fail and REALLY FAIL. I can has bandwagon? VOTE: Tasky

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I was actually pretty calm, but /shrug.

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Antihero: I conceded.

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Fishythefish: I fail to see how it doesn't. He's admitted to not reading, and I've found evidence that he isn't reading. That's scum attitude, FME.

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Fishythefish: Admission of guilt is a null tell. However, there's pro-scum motivation for having excuses to not read.

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Antihero: Null on AurorusVox and The Fonz. Though the fact that The Fonz has been using abbreviations and still getting cut is amusing. (TBC)

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Actually, screw the TBC. I've got nothing further.

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I've seen Tasky play town in early game. His admission of "not reading spam" does not match. I DO have other thoughts on this, however, so... (TBC)

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Being passive does not help you get accurate reads, either. There's a reason you can't infer cause-effect relationships from an observation.

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Conclusion: Tasky is not scum. Why? The reactions to his wagon are a tad strange. This, this, and this are good examples. (TBC)

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Burden of proof was on you, Antihero.
This from Fonz sounds rather opportunistic. I called for timezones, people were giving them.

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Unvote, Vote: The Fonz

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Any recent games to which you can link where you use this style?

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Scum like to make safe votes. Also, you can't make a claim like "This wagon is BS" and expect us to be psychic. Even if some of us actually are.

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Tasky: Thanks for those. I'll be going through those later today!
mothrax: Best of luck to your mother!

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Antihero: I'm no longer in support of the Tasky wagon (though his playstyle makes me want to policy lynch him SO BAD).
NS: And now it's windy.

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AurorusVox: And you didn't want us to not know that in the event you 180 on Korts, amirite?
mothrax: So you need to "re-read" The Fonz, but you FoS him? Smooth.

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Antihero: I'm thinking all-town Order of White Knights is also unlikely.

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mothrax: It still makes very little sense to me to throw out that FoS when you were in the process of getting more information. Unnecessary distancing, mayhaps.

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I'll hold off commentary on crywolf20084 until she's done actively lurking. I guess commentary from her first read-through is never coming. (TBC)

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Unvote, Vote: mothrax

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Sorry, all. Got unexpectedly busy.

V/LA until November 13

; catch-up, etc. coming after I sort this out.

Noted. ~~NS

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As circumstances would have it, I get to catch up and reread here. Be back in a bit.

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Oh, cool. I'm scummy. >_>
RayFrost: Is now a good time to elaborate on [redacted]?

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Voting spreadsheet updated (finally). 47 lines of votes; Day 1 is very juicy. More coming.

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Antihero: mothrax > The Fonz
kunkstar7: Yes.

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Lynch the following: mothrax > AurorusVox > The Fonz

Vote stands.

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AurorusVox: Entirety of page 2 iso is series of endless questioning. Answers + top 2 now, please.

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The Fonz: My top 3, obv.
Antihero: You said something about going to sleep and then explaining your Equinox read?

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Well, I got ninja'd, but an explanation would be nice. (If it involves ignoring AV, then boo for connecting before flipping.)

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MOD: I'm no longer V/LA.

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The Fonz: Hell no. He's town. I'm sure of this one.

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Antihero: Explain to me how mothrax's FoS of The Fonz makes sense, then.

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I do acknowledge, however, that the Tasky vote was fail. Realized that one while rereading.

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I did avoid AurorusVox because I didn't read scum on him. And it has everything to do with how AV flips, yes.

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Essentially because you have zero point if AV is town, but all the points in the world if AV is scum.

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493: Because it makes zero sense for town to do that. You're rereading, gathering new information. WTF would you FoS in that situation?

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Antihero, are you purposefully trying to piss me off? (Real answer coming, trying hard not to cuss you out right now.)

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He stated he was going to reread The Fonz's posts. I don't know about you, but when I'm about to reread someone, I suspend all thoughts on that person to avoid tunneling.

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mothrax FoSed The Fonz

before

rereading his posts. Now, either mothrax is a bloody idiot, or he's pretending to put his stances out there.

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Stating that you're rereading someone implies you have some suspicion of that person (unless you're looking at a dead town's stances, but generally that's pretty obv).

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Therefore, FoSing before rereading is an unnecessary step.

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Never heard of town bluffing? Tasky's posting more often than some people I can name, and the pressure on him now is insignificant.

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FoS is a

little

heavy for "I'm suspicious of Fonzie, gotta reread him," don't you think?

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506: Well, you still did; the incredible density behind your accusation was astounding.

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507: I have.
508: Your opinion of mothrax's action, then?

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crywolf20084: Can you elaborate on how RayFrost has been opportunistic?

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Wait, scratch that. Found the answer in her iso. Gotta examine this real quick.

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I found the FoS suspicious enough for a lynchin'. I thought I've been pretty damn clear on this.

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517: All right, then it's enough to vig.

I don't have any bullets, though

, so I'm going for rope instead.
518: Can't help being dense? Sorry, I don't buy that.

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Be quiet, people. I'm actually doing something with that.

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What makes you think I wasn't lying, crywolf20084?

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No, I am not WIFOMing. Answer the question, please. It's actually relevant.

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536: I am rather amused that you missed it.

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They're talking about this, Antihero.

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Answer. The. Question. Now.

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542: Incidentally, so do I, but let's get cayke to answer the question first. I don't like her dodging it.

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By the way, crywolf20084, if you don't answer my question, I will lynch you because I'll take your silence as, "I know Equinox wasn't lying, and I slipped!"

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Okay, that satisfies my curiosity. THe Fonz, I was sick of crywolf skipping the stuff I give her.

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crywolf20084: I wasn't WIFOMing. (I wasn't/am not lying, either.) I wondered why you immediately jumped to me giving out role info instead of some other alternative.

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557: Why, yes, I did. Except I took it to mean Cayke just accepted my statement as a town statement (as opposed to truth vs. lie).

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I supposed I could've asked The Fonz the same thing, but he was explaining himself just fine.

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Sigh. The thing I wanted to do with that blew up in my face spectacularly. However, I do not retract anything I've said.

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Tasky: Comments would be nice.

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My explanation is actually going to hurt a lot more than what you guys think that one single line did. I did fuck it up, though, so I'm willing to eat as much shit as you guys sling to repent.

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That was a crumb.

Yeah, I fucked it up.

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575: Which half is a reply to which post?

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The Fonz, why would you have accepted an explanation like that for an answer?

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582: I thought I'd touched on that when I told people to be quiet. Instead, this happened. Bah, go me.

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Okay. Now I will go take a breather before I end up planning my own funeral.

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I still do not support a Tasky wagon. I'd appreciate more commentary and less tunneling from you, though, Tasky.

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AV, WTF? I refuse to respond to this point, as I feel this is blatant role-fishing. In addition, while I can understand attacking Equinox and kunkstar7, AV's at

Truncated. ~~NS

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/sigh Word count fail. --major fail/stretching/slinging mud to see what sticks.

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RayFrost, I think you need to explain.

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mothrax, happy belated birthday, and best of luck to your mother.

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Unvote, Vote: AurorusVox

OMGUS(cum)

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Yo, RayFrost. You've been naming an awful lot of town... and not a whole lot of scum. Top 2 suspects, please?

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Tasky: Hate to ask you this, but you were active on 11/10 elsewhere but not here. Why?

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OMG IT'S A

VI

Vi! (Obv I have more coming.)

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Skimmed Herodotus and The Fonz earlier; my head spun. I'll look in more detail later, but it looks like town-town to me.

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Thread needs more Antihero, seen him post elsewhere.

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Herodotus: You're looking at it wrong.

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Tasky: 11/10. Explain. Anything. Just satisfy my curiosity!
The Fonz: Tasky's town 'cuz of the reactions to his wagon earlier in the Day.

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EBWOP to 696: By "Explain" I really mean answer the question I posed in 635.

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I can't believe that I'm saying this, but I've half a mind to proxy my vote to someone. Zero motivation right now. I'll thumb through the thread again and

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reevaluate all of my reads again. Thanks for screwing them all up. Appreciate it.

Unvote

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Time is kicking me in the shins right now. I was going to post a V/LA, but deadline's in 2 days with none of the wagons close to lynching.

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Screw being diligent and rereading again, there's no time. I'm just going to blatantly sheep and then do my shit later. Pretty sure I won't die overnight.

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VOTE: kunkstar7

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Page 42? Seriously? Sigh. Now I gotta catch up to this before Monday. -_-

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Also:

STOP. ROLEFISHING.

AurorusVox, I REFUSE to answer those allegations, except to say that you're so wrong I'm almost weeping.

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1042: Is that what it was?

Well, I want to vote AV at this point for continued rolefishing, but I'd like to actually catch up first.

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832: RayFrost, why were you interested in Antihero's answer? Question was irrelevant.

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kunkstar7 pops in every once in a while to defend himself. Interesting. Will read this in iso later to see if this observation has merit (not enough time right now).

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Kast: What was the point of your argument with The Fonz? Re 1018 - AV has done substantially more than that.

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Now that I know the context, AurorusVox fails UBER HARD with 1033; it suggests that he's hell bent on finding out what my crumb was...

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Earlier thought process: AV was rolefishing in the PoE style by trying to get me to deny allegations. If I deny vig, he crosses off vig; if I deny cop, he cross

Truncated. ~~NS

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Damn charlimit. EBWOP: ...if I deny cop, he crosses off cop.

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Hmm. I was going to say I wanted to mull this over because of [redacted], but I've just talked myself into doing this in 1050:

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Unvote, Vote: AurorusVox

Will reevaluate(!) other reads later after a meeting.

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Tasky: Current thoughts of AV and TF; thoughts on everyone else? You've been tunneling all game, and it's annoying.

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AurorusVox's attempts to defend himself now are laughable. I stand by 1050, and honestly, right now I'm not interested in having anyone else dangle.

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How AV managed to misread an entire argument between Kast and The Fonz as discussing Equinox softclaiming cop is VERY CURIOUS. Lynch, please.

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Other reads coming by Monday -- but you have the name of the person I want dead, and I am quite convinced that what AV has been doing is more pro-scum than pro-

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RayFrost: The original question was, "Antihero, why do you believe town should play follow-the-leader?" How was this relevant? (Nope, you didn't answer it.)

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Kast: You didn't answer, either. What was the point of your argument with The Fonz?

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Antihero: So, you can see town first misinterpreting a failcrumb as a softclaim (so can I, but next point), subtly asking what the softclaim was for, and then f

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--and then failing that, "misinterpret" a clearly theoretical argument as discussing a cop softclaim from me? That serves town purposes, right?

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Admittedly, 1128 and 1129 are propaganda-ish, but AH's post in defense of AV was mind-blowing.

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What fucking backdoor. I've explicitly said I'm not taking anything back, which is a license to lynch me if I suddenly go, "Yeah, I really do have bullets!"

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1141: I was more interested in RayFrost's justification, which I got.

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I think it's pretty obv by now that I'm something, so: If you guys can't be convinced to lynch AV today, I am perfectly willing to...

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...full claim and get this "softclaim" BS out of the way. "No bullets" is, in no way, shape, or form, a f'ing softclaim.

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Crumb != softclaim

Nice try.

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Herodotus: My reason would be I strongly believe AV is scum; he got me to deny that I was neither cop nor vig, and that to me smells like PoE/fishing.

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I can see why you say it wouldn't prove AV-scum, though.

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Herodotus, I've been pretty damn obvious ever since the "no bullets" fiasco. Do you really think not claiming is any more pro-town than claiming?

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1161: You

didn't

, which makes me think you are indeed rolefishing. Here you only talk about me claiming cop, which ofc I would deny if I weren't a cop.

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...and I'd probably gloss over if I were, to ensure that I could claim later. IMO, you can't read Kast and TF's argument as anything but hypothetical.

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They were EXPLICIT about that. Herodotus... /sigh

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I agree with 1200. Also, drumroll please...

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Actually, hold the drums. Gonna answer this first. 1206, I've noted that kunkstar7's behavior is interesting and worthy of an iso

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Performing said iso. 24 posts in 15 days is sad, really. ...and I get a null read off him. Lovely. All right, guys, here's how it's going to go down.

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I thought this over in a dark cinema. I don't like my case on AurorusVox anymore. The more I think about this, the more I think 1050 was confirmation bias.

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I am going to put kunkstar7 at L-1. You will hear from me later on Sunday regarding the rest of the player list. If you hammer before I post my reads, I will sk

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Unvote, Vote: kunkstar7

L-1

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What the fuck was that, Antihero?

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Well, thanks to a certain scumbag who thought he could get away with cutting discussion, this game suddenly became uber urgent. NS is probably sleeping, but I'm not counting on it.

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EBWOP: NS is probably sleeping, but I'm not counting on it.

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Okay, fuck this. I'm tired, and I'm pissed. Antihero conveniently vanishing right after the hammer does not help me in any way. Thanks a lot.

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By my count, The Fonz's vote put k7 at L-2. I clearly announced L-1. Unless you have evidence that this is not the case, I'm perfectly fine skinning you right now.

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Yep. You hammered.

You seriously telling me you didn't check the posts AFTER the VC?

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...

e_e.

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Unvote

Change of plan: Re-read first, L-1 later. I don't want to have to wake up in the middle of the night to check thread. kthx

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Anithero: As long as it wasn't a hammer.

BTW, said re-read is coming Sunday aft/eve. Sit tight till then, folks.

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No further comments from me; unfortunately, RL requires full attention tonight. I'm able to check in half an hour before deadline to drop hammer if needed.

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I paid for my stupidity.

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I really fucked it up this game. Sigh. Sorry, town.

(If anyone cares...) The real reason behind my "I have no bullets" statement was to softclaim townie and push the NK on someone else. I felt I couldn't say that in my defense when crywolf20084 and The Fonz questioned me because it would've made me uberscummy, and then I would have become much worse off. Not that it changed anything, since I still ended up softclaiming a PR to get out of my own hole. As a fucking jailkeeper in this setup, to boot. Bah.

Never doing that shit again. I'll just lay low like I'm supposed to. <_<

I'm still bitter over not lynching Tasky. Dammit.

Kast

: Are you OK with me posting the graveyard QT?

I'm interested in seeing the scum QT, if you guys are okay with releasing that.

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Don't read "I do not have bullets" as "I have bullets."

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Looks like teary eyes.

Thanks for sharing. Looking at that made me a bit depressed, though. :<

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I shouldn't have been over Equi so hard for that post

Actually, the pressure was fine; I deserved it for being a dolt and softclaiming. You shouldn't have fixated on it being a vig claim specifically, though.

Meh, by the time you came in, he'd already outed himself as power. He should never, ever have said 'It was a breadcrumb.' It would have been better to take the heat, and claim if he ended up facing lynch.

Yeah, I probably should have. I'd say I'll keep this in mind for next time, but there won't be a next time. >_>

Now that I think about it, I don't think I was under that much pressure when I claimed; it was just the 3 of you who were all over it, and everyone else either ignored it or didn't think it was a huge scum tell. Sigh.