Last Will Mafia II (Over)

[Ythan]

Right now I think that I don't know who you think is scum. I think you spend a lot of time bickering with charlie but I don't think you are trying to convince anyone to lynch him. That concerns me because it makes me think you are trying to appear to scum hunt, but I don't think you are actually scum hunting. Also, he is acting the same way towards you.

My criticizing of Charlie for being a huge VI and my hunting are entirely distinct. Keep up.

I take it you think kunk is scum?

I do not.

[Rhinox]

So... I still don't know who you think is scum. You were all for accountability when you tried to place that 1 vote on plum. Why the change?

[LlamaFluff]

Vote Count

Battosuai (5) - Nachomamma8, kmd4390, holycon
Charlie (3) - Locke Lamora, kunkstar7, esuriospiritus
Nachomamma8 (1) - Charlie
kmd4390 (1) - Battosuai

Not Voting (13) - Ythan, Jahudo, Rhinox

It takes twelve to lynch with 23 votes in play
Deadline is Monday

[Ythan]

So... I still don't know who you think is scum. You were all for accountability when you tried to place that 1 vote on plum. Why the change?

Honestly I don't care. You can wait until I finish.

[Rhinox]

awesome

[Ythan]

Amished's vote record made him obvscum in my eyes. I don't remember more specifically than that and I am currently posting from my phone so I can't throw fancy quotes and colors at you.

After reading this again I see that you said you don't remember. If you could review and give me something that would be really cool.

[Ythan]

Rhino: I'm clarifying my reads on living players right now. Thus far these have more often than not been town reads. But when I exhaust those I'll give you what you want.

[Ythan]

Do I even need to state the obvious here; Charlie. Not just vi but also scum.

[Ythan]

TBH I wasn't defending anyone I was defending the rights of all players who get quoated from past games I don't think its right just because a player says somthing similier in a pervious game and they were scum in that game dosn't mean that they are scum in this one and using that as a scum tell is dumb

Chuckled. Really is too bad the raider/plumscum thing didn't pan out.

[Ythan]

Rhinox's assumption seems like an unrealistic jump to me.

I don't believe my original theory is correct though.

Expected Town reaction: "Oh, he was a ninja. Wonder what that is" or "Oh, he was a ninja. I saw that role before."
Expected Scum reaction: "Oh, my scumbuddy died and hasn't used his extra kill yet." <Insert post that knows that a ninja is a role who has an extra kill>
Rhinox's reaction: "Oh, looks like Chro was 'one-shot'. Must have had an extra kill"

Looks to me like Rhinox wasn't focusing on the ninja part. I actually see Rhinox as either town or non-Columbian non-town because of this. Looks like he honestly overlooked "ninja" being part of the role and jumped to a conclusion on "one-shot".

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I see people talking about a Holy lynch, but not many votes. I'd obviously prefer Batt, but a Holy lynch is better than a Plum lynch.

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Plum is at L-6. If Ythan plans to vote Plum, she should probably claim. Ythan should confirm/deny first though.

Why can I not find any responses to this. This is the only interesting thing I've seen against Rhino so far.

[Ythan]

Batt/Locke/Charlie/Holy?

[kunkstar7]

@Mod: V/LA for the next two days.

Will catch up / respond when I return.

[Charlie]

^ this is why you confuse me i have no idea what you want from me in my mind i've answered all those questions for you already

Oh for the love of...

@charlie: yes, I think you're exhange with ythan is pointless bickering. I think its irrelevent whether you're whining, but no, I didn't interpret it that way. The point is, you spend a lot of time bickering with him and you're not voting him or trying to convince anyone he's scum. I also think these 2 questions were pretty pointless, because they are not scum hunting questions - the answers will not lead you to determine who is scum.

Yes, I really don't care much about trying to convince anyone that Ythan is scum because I cannot convince myself first that he is. I really can't tell. Yes, I know the 2 questions were pointless and there are a geared more towards a vent/rant type of post -- Rage

You're even worse. Your post doesn't explain why you find the slot scummy now.

Pshaw. I don't know what to think of the slot, actually. Did you even look at the way she responded to my questions? Who could conclude anything from that? I conclude nothing.

Do I even need to state the obvious here; Charlie. Not just vi but also scum.

I was under the impression that VI's are called VIs for a reason and thus not mafia. In my POV you've contradicted there but you don't care.

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If I find the time I'll see about posting a case against Ythan, but I doubt that I could before deadline.

[Ythan]

You not knowing what vi means is not a contradiction on my part. And way to back out of pretty much everything you could instead of answering a question clearly.

[Charlie]

What?

[Locke Lamora]

Is Batt/me/Charlie/Holy your proposed scumteam, Ythan?

[Battousai]

Rhinox- Holycon/Charlie exchange seems like Holycon/Charlie are scumhunting or at least actively participating. But they are lobbing softballs at eachother (mostly Charlie at holycon) and Charlie is asking holycon the same question repeatedly, even though she first answered most of the questions in a post to me (the one where she calls Charlie probscum/VI). The questions are (Q# is Charlie's question, A# is Holycon's answer, and R# is Charlie's non-question response):

Q1 Why the lack of posting? - answered in the holycon's previous post above the one Charlie originally quoted.
A1 I already answered that when I was talking to Batt
R1 But you could have at least mentioned that bit of info

anyway

Q2 How am I being a VI? - Answered in post response to me
Q3 What does this mean? - Wiki much?
Q4 Where do I stand on your "mafia-town" list? - Answered in post response to me

A2-4 "lets requote what i said first because question 3 is answered here and so is question 1 i said your play confused me you are all over the place and question two VI is village idiot"

R2-4 Calls it simplistic, "WOW". Says he is flustered

Q5-6 Tries to add punctuation to holycon's posts correctly, wants to know if he is correct?
Q7 How am I being a VI? Clarification- Question still stands
Q8 What does this mean? Clarification- Knows what VI is, doesn't understand how a VI (who is a town player, apparently) can also be probscum
Q9 Where do I stand on your mafia-town list? Clarification- Because I'm VI or Prob scum?

A7-9 Doesn't know what Charlie wants, claims to have answered those questions already

R7-9 Oh for the love of... -(and he drops it)

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You see, a VI doesn't get better in a game over night. However, scum pretending to be VI can. Charlie is second on the chopping block and he starts posting a lot more. However these posts are completely useless.

Unvote
Vote: Charlie

[Charlie]

I am shocked that you think so.

[Battousai]

Who thinks what?

[Charlie]

You, Batt, thinks that I'm worth voting for at this stage.

Anyway, how about you provide links to who my supposed scumbuddies are, any evidence of bussing/distancing/whatever I've done and/or votecount analysis? Who am I associated with? Throughout the whole game I've been passive and I've addressed everyone quite equally (although, I'm open to criticism on this part).

Or how about this simple request: make a list of town/not sure/mafia like the one KMD started and Rhinox, myself and a few others followed. That will help.

[Battousai]

Throughout the whole game I've been passive and I've addressed everyone quite equally (although, I'm open to criticism on this part).

Or how about this simple request: make a list of town/not sure/mafia like the one KMD started and Rhinox, myself and a few others followed. That will help.

Doesn't the bolded imply scum trying not to make connections?

Ok, I'll do a quick scum/not scum list

Town

myself
Jahudo

Middle Town

esurio

Middle

Locke
nacho

Middle Scum

Kunkstar
rhinox
Ythan
Charlie
Holycon

Scum

KMD

[Charlie]

Neat. Your list is... interesting, to say the least. Oh and I also want to say that your softball comment was quite amusing, now that I've properly understood it.

Throughout the whole game I've been passive and I've addressed everyone quite equally (although, I'm open to criticism on this part).

Or how about this simple request: make a list of town/not sure/mafia like the one KMD started and Rhinox, myself and a few others followed. That will help.

Doesn't the bolded imply scum trying not to make connections?

If you're town then can you try to show me the connections anyway? Because, as far as I know, there should be there no matter how much one tries to cover them up. No one is that good at leaving no traces; there always are if they're mafia. I'm telling you now that there aren't there because, simply, I'm Town. Prove me otherwise.

[Charlie]

Batt, you've subdivided esurio as middle town, Locke and nacho as middle and a bunch of people in middle scum. That. is. meticulous. I want to know why.

Also, I recall Locke saying this. Your choice of words of late have been different. I feel that you're hiding something. (READ: Gut reading you as mafia for that list)

[Kmd4390]

Ythan, I'll go back and dig up the Amished stuff when I have a decent amount of free time and a computer in front of me. Don't expect that to be too soon.

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Charlie, definition of VI - Player who pretty much just flat out sucks at the game, is incompetent, and most likely has no hope at learning. Can be either alignment.

I don't think anyone who is currently alive in this game falls under the description of "VI".

[Charlie]

That made me , Kmd.