Mini 1049 - Hide and Seek Mafia - FINAL Kablooie!

[camn]

I think Dizzy/POM COULD be scum, and would definitely be a good lynch. Her partner? Probably Nopoint or Spyrex.

I think saporo/jenni is inconsistent, and deserves scrutiny for such.

Make sense? Ok yay.
More Nopoint votes?

[Iecerint]

Why do you think NP is scum with Pom? That doesn't make any sense to me. I'm pretty sure they aren't scum together.

[camn]

WHy not?

[Iecerint]

I asked you first.

But, namely, their interactions. It's not a default hypothesis for me.

I am assuming that you have a different interpretation.

[mikeburnfire]

unvote, vote CAMN

[camn]

Well, check this:
Here are two CLASSIC examples of scum-distancing.
"OMG, nopoint.. I totally think you are scummy... but I am totally voting someone else.

I feel like it's a Pot, Kettle, Black, Etc., situation here. Katsuki is scummy (to you) for for having week suspicious of Camn, but you have week and uncommitted of him for it- couldn't I say that I see you and Katsuki linked in this way?.....However, I still dislike Katsuki's play, and I'm going to keep my vote on him for the sake of the wagon, and where it's going right now.

I feel like the day is stalling/dragging for no reason... I'm willing to vote NPIAU is we can get a lynch on him.

Take a look Pom never gets around to laying a VOTE on nopoint, right?

From the nopoint side, its the same deal. SOme sparring, but no real action.
THis is typical scumpartner behaviour, no?
I honestly don't see what you are getting at. There wasn't even any serious bussing... just some mild distancing.

Anyway, WIFOM destroys clearing either of them on partnerships alone. Hell, I have been accused of being Veso's partner for lynching him... neither of these two have even laid a VOTE on the other. (based on my ISO-scans )
IN any event... this line of inquiry would be much more valuable after the flip.

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ps: how irrelevant is Burnfire? Even DGB doesn't notice him.
YOu should try finding scum, burnfire. It makes the game more fun.

[Iecerint]

Pom never really attacked anyone that I can recall, though. Her behavior toward NP isn't different from her behavior toward anyone else IIRC. As such, using that as the basis of a scum connection is silly in her case. Also, those aren't her only references to NP.

NP calls Pom scum several times, albeit usually connected to someone else. I could maybe understand it from that end, I guess, but that's not where you came from.

What I was getting at is that your proposed scum connection didn't seem too thoughtful. Your defense of it seems like an absence of absence of evidence.

One thing I could point out (though I hadn't considered it explicitly until now) is that when I was scum with Pom, she never bussed or distanced. Ever. She's way too sweet. Though that was a long time ago, so it may have changed.

DGB, are those VCs correct?

[SpyreX]

ARGGHH

Unvote, Vote: nopoint

[Iecerint]

You, sir, are very naughty.

NP is now at L-1, if shenanigans are making that VC correct.

I am leaning toward supporting lynches on camn, MBF, or SX. I would prefer one of those first two.

[camn]

Only if you can show a rock solid connection between two of them though, right?

[Iecerint]

Nah, those are just the ones I'd support lynching at this point. I'm not positing that you're necessarily scumfriends or anything like that.

I have to add that I am somewhat sympathetic to some kind of a Dizzy rebuke based upon her being a very ill-behaved replacement, but I mean.

[Ellibereth]

I AM HERE!
THIS ONE IS CLOSEST TO DEADLINE I THINK SO CATCHING UP HERE FIRST!

[Ellibereth]

Before you lynch my slot, I have notified DGB that I need to replace out; (hopefully my replacement will prove more useful). I apologize for this, but I can't keep up with the game at this time. GL to everyone; happy hunting.

I don't think you were under any pressure or stuff at this point.
So the first few words is weird.
And you're not here anymore...

[Ellibereth]

I'm changing my mind.
Sapo looks very town.

[Ellibereth]

Unvote, Vote Dizzy

YOU LIVE ANOTHER DAY SPY.

[Ellibereth]

I think Nopoint is town btw.
I didn't read the case on him but I don't think I'd get it If I did.

[camn]

Well... lets follow a little game trend here then.

UNVOTE
VOTE DIZZY IZZY

You haven't added

much

anything since you replaced in.
That plus POMs low activity level = you are a liability.
PLUS, the distancing with nopoint BEGS for a flip.
PLUS.. it appears I am Ellibereth's shadow this game.

[Ellibereth]

We should plan NA's assuming a Dizzy scumflip.

[mikeburnfire]

Oh, look. Camn is voting somebody, not because she thinks he's scum, but because 'he's a liability'. What a surprise.

Camn is scum. Don't expect to change my vote anytime soon, especially not to DizzyTown.

[mikeburnfire]

+ Camn is probably scum with NoPoint, but I'd rather flip camn first.

[SpyreX]

I switch because I can get no traction and both of you jump?

*explode*

[nopointinactingup]

@Camn:
Better interpretation:
Pom thinks Katsuki is scum.
Pom wouldn't mind buddying up to TBM just like any of you f would.
Pom brought me up when I was UNDER NO PRESSURE.
I attacked Pom.
Pom replaced out BEFORE POSTING ANY FUCKING THING.

Unvote.Vote:Dizzy

She needs to produce content.

@Mike: Why do you think I'm scum with Camn? I WAS THE ONE WHO HELPED FOUNDED YOUR SUSPICION OF HER.

@TBM: Does fabricating a respond take that much time?

[mikeburnfire]

No, you weren't. What you did was incriminate Katsumi by linking her to camn. Once Katsumi was mislynched, you dropped any suspicion you had on camn. While you were doing this, I voted camn. You immediately came to her defense, inquiring about my vote and voting me. When I compiled a new, independent case against camn, you acknowledged it, but didn't comment on it. So that's why I kinda think you are a likely scummate. I'm really on the fence about you. Comment on my camn-case.

Now in a convenient, linked list.

• Coaching Vezok, who is now confirmed scum
  Puts Mongoose, now confirmed town, at Lynch-1
  Pushing for Katsuki's lynch, then calling her town, then voting her, then claiming that she's town, but a liability. After a brief moment where she votes/distances from FarCry, she puts Kasumi at Lynch-1, unvotes, tries to hammer, says that she think 's Katsuki could be town but that she'll hammer her anyway, eventually she gets Katsu lynched. In the end, she says directly
  I want you dead regardless of your alignment.
  
  Takes credit for the Vezok lynch
  "Gets sold" on MPR's case, then 3 posts later She is trying to kill him.
  Proposes killing lurkers on Day 4
  Proposes killing 'useless' players
  Says that killing lurkers is the only thing we can do because we have nothing

[Iecerint]

^ I dunno bro. camn wasn't a player who was under any suspicion at that point. It doesn't make sense to make someone look scum by linking them to a townie.

I guess you can argue that it was perfunctory distancing, though.

[camn]

I love how Burnfire acts like it is some kind of revelation that I lynch people based on usefulness, not alignment.
That is like, the entire strategy that I live by in this game.

Why? Because you can't tell a persons alignment.
You can, however, get a pretty good idea of how useful they are. You can see if they are hurting the town, and you can see if they are putting down enough content to be able to judge them in endgame.

But this kind of strategy-discussion is irrelevant.

Burnfire: play better! Your entire case is IioA!
You are a legend and you are busy pushing a playstyle case??
STOP IT!!
I repeatedly stated that Katsu was a liability as town or scum... It is no secret. No need for you to waste a whole paragraph restating it.... Because I will stipulate it all for you:

I, camn, am a bloodthirsty little whore.
I seek the death of people who are hurting my town, (and sometimes other people too.)
I enjoyed watching Katsu's body twirl in the wind after the life had drained from her eyes.
I REALLY enjoyed killing Veso, because of the added bonus of him being scum.
Mongoose I didn't really enjoy... But it was worth it to catch Veso.

Now, can we get on with things? Your case sucks.