Mini 1049 - Hide and Seek Mafia - FINAL Kablooie!

[camn]

PS.. there you have it:

camn

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obvtown

town credits: no hesitation in lynching Veso. Totally willingness to lynch almost anyone. Total boredom with the mountainous nature of this setup.

mikeburnfire

Domino

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town

. too obnoxious to be scum. Wont be worth a damn in endgame. Hopefully he gets pinched by a bomb

saporovirus

jenniwren

. . i had a bad feeling about jenni. Sapo I need to hear more from.

maybetown

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Ellibereth

- I have been feeling town on him all game.. but maybe that feeling is wrong. Have been burned by him before. Hmm. nonetheless . .

probtown

.

SCUM IS IN THESE THREE:::

Spyrex

tanstalas

Tans was feeling pretty town to me, but I don't know him, so maybe he fooled me.
Spyrex has flashes of his town-ness.. but something is strange about him.

Maybescum if nopoint flips town.

nopointinactingup

Far_Cry Budja

POE on the veso wagon puts NP and/or Icrint as scum. NP jumping on the Dizzy wagon was also funny . .

SCUM

.

Iecerint

MehPlusRawr

MPR should have been lynched for the abrupt hammer of Vezo. Icerint saying >I< was bussing Vezo when his pred MPR pulled he biggest buss of all? suspect.

probscum

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I have to admit.. if I am right...this town is f-ing weak.
Burnfire is obsessed with one player, and one player alone. That is anti town.
Sapo is an unknown.. so maybe thats good.
and I have no tricks up my sleeve.. like I sometimes do. Thats no good.
Elli.. we need you. You absence needs to end now if we want to stand a chance.
Spyrex, if you are town.. we need you too. Look at this nonsense.

[Iecerint]

If one of me and nopoint is scum.. It's nopoint.
But I am not sure why you think that...
I do agree that there is scum on the Veso wagon.

Huh?

The set-up isn't really mountainous. It in fact becomes less and less mountainous as more and more scum die. I also don't get the boredom vibe from you. IMO You have seemed less apathetic than almost anyone in the game, with the possible exception of SX.

Iecerint saying >I< was bussing Vezo when his pred MPR pulled he biggest buss of all? suspect.

This is incorrect for two reasons. First, I am not scum. Second, given that I am not scum, using that information to find who bussed vezok is a very obvious use of my knowledge. Hell, you just did the very same thing.

In other words, using that information is null with regard to my alignment. If anything, it is slightly pro-town that I would discuss that issue, because it's highlighted something that might be difficult for me even though Elli, at least, appeared to have missed it, and the town is apathetic.

The argument that townCamn would make is that the circumstances of MPR voting vezo are scummier. Arguing that IecTown wouldn't look into the wagon that "implicates" him does not make sense.

ACCIO SAPORO

[saporovirus]

Hi Iec!

-No way SX and camn can both be scum. No way they would both be that vocal about a katsu lynch. Buuuut they are the scummiest players so far so idk

-Don't really follow how MPR's quickhammer of vezo is "the biggest bus of them all." It could be a bus, yes, but it's not like quickhammering EVER wins you all that many townpoints. And Camn's whole case on Iec is pretty much built only on the quickhammer of an otherwise inactive player he replaced. Iec's behavior thus far leads me to think he's town.

-NP is striking me as town. I think from outside knowledge that FC was scummy because he's been out of the game for a while and isn't good at playing. He ends up sounding scummy as a rule. NP has actually tried to contribute and backed up his suspicions, though he was 100% wrong about camn and kats being in it together. Camn was for dizzy's lynch yet says NP's L1 vote was weird. More consistency from Camn plz. I'm also not following how all three spots were scummy.

-Not liking Camn's arguments lately. She

is

totally willing to lynch anyone, and that doesn't exactly help town in my book. She also is getting on people for scummy things she does herself. D1 she was calling for a quicklynch, but she's now getting on Iec's case for MPR's quickhammer of vezo. She says MBF is obsessed w/ only one player, but that's essentially what she did with katsu - kept switching wagons on and off her. She's FoSed nearly every player in this game, majorly. Furthermore, she accused me of inconsistency when she's certainly not been the model of it herself. Honestly she's looking most scummy to me right now.

VOTE: camn

I think that's L1.

Need to reassess: Elli, SX, MBF.

[Iecerint]

Anyone who hammers without getting hiding location claims from her is a scumlord.

I am inclined to request them.

[mikeburnfire]

AN2: It's a little weird that MBF has never been on a lynch. MBF, is that par for the course for you?

Actually, no, it's quite odd for me. But remember that Mongoose was lynched before I replaced in, and Vezok was lynched before I had caught up. I explicitly said that Katsuki was a player that I did not want to vote for yesterday, and Pom's mislynch was an obvious setup, so I stayed off.

camn - obvtown town credits:

1

no hesitation in lynching Veso.

2

Totally willingness to lynch almost anyone.

3

Total boredom with the mountainous nature of this setup.

1. No kidding, any scum with half a brain would buss scummate Vezok after his action
2. That's not town behavior
3. More like

total incompetence with regards to playing the game

.

mikeburnfire Domino - town. too obnoxious to be scum. Wont be worth a damn in endgame. Hopefully he gets pinched by a bomb

Hilarious, coming from the person who has been on every townie lynch without remorse, then brags about how he won't be lynched.

[camn]

I expect a cookie from Burnfire when I flip.

[camn]

Also, @ Sapo:

INCONSISTENT HOW??

plus: I say burnfire is tunneling.. AND TOWN.
I know I tunneled.. and I am town.

2nd, Spy and I are the only people PLAYING.. not the only scummy players.

AND>>>> the point re: icerents quickhammer is that voting for Vezo is not scummy. If I was bussing, he could be too.. it is not a tell.

that is all the defense you will find from me, so please... hammer me, someone.

[Iecerint]

Incorrect. Being an unflipped player on vezok's wagon when so much of his wagon has already flipped means that being unflipped on that wagon has become a scumtell.

Granted, that it's not really a scumtell to someone who's just looking at probability and wasn't on vezok's wagon, since 33% is the same as the background probability for everyone else in the game to a town player at this point (discounting scumhunting and so forth, which may affect either proportion).

But that applies neither to you nor to me.

[mikeburnfire]

I expect a cookie from Burnfire when I flip.

You will get no cookie from me. How do I put this into words you can understand?

I seek the death of people who are hurting my town.

[camn]

good luck with that.

[camn]

ps. You literally are voting me for the same reasons that made you vote me.

IF you really seek the death of people regardless of alignment.. then you and I totally agree.
Sadly, you said earlier that you totally dont believe that.. but meh.
I just wish you had put some time into actually finding scum.

I think my player-by player will come in handy tomorrow.

SOMEONE HAMMER PLEASE!

[camn]

Incorrect. Being an unflipped player on vezok's wagon when so much of his wagon has already flipped means that being unflipped on that wagon has become a scumtell.
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Heh. triple post!

just FTR... I agree completely!

I only support a lynch of someone who was on the VEZO wagon today.

Me, nopoint or Icereint.

I think we can afford to lynch all 3 if we get lucky at night.

HAMMER PLEASE!!!

[mikeburnfire]

Yes, your player-by-player looked like actual scumhunting. Maybe you should have tried doing that earlier.

But don't worry. When you flip scum, I plan to go after icerint next.

[camn]

Hah.. this is a fun trick:

Dear Icereint, Mike, and Nopoint.
I have an ultimatum:

THIS ENDS NOW!

IF you can lynch me, do it now.
If you CANNOT lynch me by . . . Saturday night... then I want you to

agree to TABLE the prospect

of lynching me for the rest of the game day.
That way, we can focus on one of the other two people on the Vezo wagon (ideally) OR someone else that ISNT ME.

If you agree to this, please say so.
If not.... then say you don't.

Any of you that agree must unvote Saturday night, or you will have broken your agreement and are scum.
You also may not vote me for the rest of the game day, or you will have broken your agreement, and are scum.

IF ALL OF YOU DISAGREE.. I will self hammer-Saturday night.

If you don't want that to happen.. you should unvote me by then.. . and we can continue to spar for the rest of the day.
If you DO want that to happen.. then by all means... leave your vote up.

That is all.

[mikeburnfire]

Saturday? Heck, I'm hoping you get hammered before Midnight!

Also, why not include Sapo in that grouping?

[mikeburnfire]

Also, hide locations please.

[camn]

IN THE ABOVE POST... BY ICEREINT I meant SAPOVIRUS.

Stupid short term memory.

Ive been posting them every morning, sir.
Last night I hid in YOUR room, though!

[camn]

I also am hoping by midnight.

But if you CANT manage it.. i dont want to suffer for the rest of the day.

So hurry up! Convince someone! Anyone!

[mikeburnfire]

Last night I hid in YOUR room, though!

No, I don't think you did.

[camn]

Just checked my PM:

I will hide in MikeBurnfire's room.

[camn]

DO you know otherwise?
Are you a light sleeper, and stayed in your room... and DIDn"T see me?

this is important... answer truthfully!

[mikeburnfire]

No, I just think you're lying.

[camn]

oh.
Well thats nice.

Can I take it you DO NOT agree to my

PROPOSAL OF POST 838

, then?
Or

DO YOU AGREE

, given I am still alive saturday night?

[mikeburnfire]

If this town has decided not to lynch you by Saturday, then not only will I stop trying to get you lynched, but also I will proxy my vote to you.

[Iecerint]

I will not stop trying to lynch you given an arbitrary deadline, no. I could imagine being convinced to lynch NP or SX or whomever. These are the kind of situations under which I would be convinced not to lynch you. Not because it became Saturday. That is dumb.

The exchange between camn and MBF is extremely interesting.