/Invitational 11: Pick your Poison 5 (Game Over)

[Fate]

One down.

One to go.

And then we can get our awesome on.

[Fate]

HackerHuck and SpyreX are scum together. I will eat my hat, my coat and my pants if they are not.

I EXPECT YOU TO POST APOLOGIZE PROFUSELY IN THE DEAD QT BTW.

YOU TOO HACKER. HOW MANY TIMES DID I ASK YOU TO HAMMER?

[Fate]

PLUM

omg you didnt. Yes I think you did. No Plum no... she's laughing so hard right now.

So hard.

I'll shut her up.

[Fate]

SLEEP CAN WAIT.


*CACKLES*

[Fate]

"I wouldn't have killed

CMAR

CTD"

YEAH OK.

HEY SPYREX WE DONT NEED TO DANCE TODAY. I"LL GIVE YOU A SPOILER PREVIEW:

Spoiler: TEHEE

WE AREN'T LYNCHING YOU FIRST, ITS YOUR SCUMBUDDY THATS GOING DOWN

[Fate]

YES YOU WOULD BE ARROGANT AND SILLY AND "hey scumbuddies I can manipulate fate again EZPZ leave him alive."

Don't worry my megapost will explain ALL.

ALL>

FROM NKS TO DAYTALK.

ALL.

[Fate]

Fate: 1955, "I begged and BEGGGGGGGED for a goddman Ooba hammer yesterday, it never came. He was at L-2, HH was at L-1. SO WHAT THE FUCK WHY NOT?" - This is nonsense. The ooba hammer "never" came because we were waiting on a CTD catchup; a mere 38 minutes passed between the completion of that catchup and your "JUST FOR KICKS?" post. At the time, ooba was at L-2, but I had made clear that I was waiting on CTD and would put my vote back on that night - effectively, they were tied, with HH as the deciding vote. Further, while HH was at L-1,

you apparently weren't aware of that when you made the post

("Holy shit HH IS at L-2.").

You aren't currently my top suspect; but the sudden switch from "oobascum oobascum oobascum HAMMAR OMG" to "hey, let's just lynch HH, teehee" smells. No amount of yelling is going to prevent me from looking carefully at your posts.

HEHAHHAHA


Shenanigans?

SHENANIGANS

?

I knew VV/HH was town the whole damn time, but I don't regret his lynch going through. If not, he would've STILL been around today for You+Iam+Teaparty+Spy to CONTINUALLY push, and none of you wanted to listen to me. ALSO like Plum said ooba/VV were pretty much destined to die in the same cycle if the Vig pulled his head out of his ass after shooting Ellie.

Also,

Further, while HH was at L-1,

you apparently weren't aware of that when you made the post

("Holy shit HH IS at L-2.").

What's your point?

My switch is explained clearly. HH being in this game WAS a detriment to town, the only people AVAILABLE to hammer Ooba (regardless of where your vote was) WERE REFUSING TO DO SO. CTD catching up or not there was NO ONE who wanted to do it. So when CTD said "hey you can end the day nao" and SpyreX was online, YEAH I said "Fuck it, let's roast 'em" Since everyone p. much agreed on one of ooba/HH scum it DIDNT MATTER who died first.

The hell are you trying to twist things for? You're town, I'm town, look elsewhere mith.

[Fate]

I want to believe you're town (if you are), because it would make things so much easier.

Tech statement.

[Fate]

NO THAT DIDNT COMPUTE SPYREX [FROM A TOWN PERSPECTIVE]

I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH SCUMWISE THOUGH.

HEHEHEHAHAAAAAAAAAAA

NERVOUS MUCH?

WANT IAUM TO HURRY AND POST SO I CAN TIP MY HAND?

DO I GOT POCKET ROCKETS OR NOTHING BUT BLUFF?

[Fate]

Who the fuck was Slicey?

[Fate]

Mmm Seraphim that's right.

Ah yes yes I see now. Yesssssss

That's why he's town. I remember now.

[Fate]

Fate you ought to be ashamed to fuel a wagon where SPYREXscum has been sitting alone for the longest time waiting your some player to have FruitSisters cold feet.

[Fate]

Slicey is dead?

He was the CTD/Sera

OHH I EE

I just called you scum again and this all you have to say?

AND DONT GIVE ME THAT PAINKILLERS "LOL IMDRUGGED" EXCUSE AGAIN

[Fate]

Fate you ought to be ashamed to fuel a wagon where SPYREXscum has been sitting alone for the longest time waiting your some player to have FruitSisters cold feet.

I GAVE YOU A TIDBIT.

NO MY CASE IS NEVER "META WIFOM LULZ" WTFZ WRONG WIT U.

NOW FOR THE FUN PART:

I"M GONNA GO RE-READ TO SEE IF YO UARE THE JANITOR OR THE ROLEBLOCKER.

TEEHEE

[Fate]

SORRY SORRY,

EDWOP:

WHAT ELSE DO I WANT? I WANT

YOU TO TELL ME WHO SCUM IS

LIKE TOWN WOULD.

BUT NO.

YOU'RE PLAYING RIGHT FIELD AND WAITING FOR A BALL TO COME INSTEAD OF SWINGING FOR THE FENCES.

AND YOU WILL HANG FOR IT.

YOU WILL.

[Fate]

Hoopla GOOD LORD WHY DIDNT YOU DO THAT EARLIER.

God in heaven. We could have got ALL of that out of this without this lynch going through.

If this is janned this is a town lynch. Period.

hahahahHhahhahahahaHAHAHAHAH

YOU PUT HOOPLA AT L-1 AND SENT IN THE JANITOR!

AND THEN SHE SELF-HAMMERED.

AND YOU WERE LIKE

"FUCK NO GAWD DAMN IT BITCH YOUUUUUUUUUU"


HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.


THAT MEANS.....

THE ONE WE GET TO LYNCH TODAY IS 100% WITHOUT A DOUBT THE ROLEBLOCKER!

HUZAAAAH.

[Fate]

Oh and found some nice OTHER tidbits of you distancing with your buddy earlier on.

Mhmmmmm somme yummy tidbits indeed.

I love not ever re-reading the thread until the final days. Makes the re-read THAT MUCH more epic.

(seeing all my predictions come true is especially fun).

MHHHHHHHHHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM COME IAM POST I CAN'T CONTAIN IT MUCH LONGER.

[Fate]

Whiaaa what the fuck? Is it just my browser or does anyone else seeSpys post as being above mith and quoting something that didn't exist yet???

O_o

[Fate]

NOW MITHS IS. BELO MINE???

WHAT VOODOO MAGIC IS THIS YOU SITE WIZARD??

[Fate]

This SpyreX+Fate combo cracks me up to hell and back.

Let's see your case on SpyreX first mah boy.

[Fate]

I still have a problem with DGB going from believing Hoopla wagon was scum driven with 7 votes, to believing Hoopla was scum giving up under pressure with 6 votes. No response. Nobody seems interested though.

I think this Ooba wagon has more legs. Rhinox's 929 is a good point, Zito's point is good. ISOing ooba his scumhunting seems pretty lazy.

UNVOTE: DGB
VOTE: ooba

I wonder though:

I'm starting to agree with ooba. I could see vas/rhinox as scumbuddies

unvote, vote ooba

What changed?

Interesting, if Fate is scum, it would mean ekiM jumped straight from one bus to another here. That seems unlikely. Though the KMD bit at the end is iffy, possibly he just wanted to remind KMD of his own "ooba is town" thoughts to get the confirmed townie support away from his scumbuddy's wagon while appearing to support it himself.

Or he just wanted to know if he had missed something in Kmd's thought process from agreeing to ooba to voting him. But hell, I'm biased cause I have the same role PM, but I have hard time seeing the strategy in going from one bus to another.

There is obvious motivation for scum to want town to believe there are less scum remaining than there actually are. And if Fate had just read to the end of D1 at this point, he wouldn't know that everyone had realised how Hoopla was obvtown, so might actually think anyone at all would buy this. This is quickly dropped once Fate reads further on:

1.) Hoopla scum? I'm gonna need more because while not thrilled that maneuver oozes town.

1) We know the setup to be 2 VIGS and a tracker. Search your soul and if you don't find it there I'll explain next week with two hands.

For shenanigans purposes I'll play along as if there were 4 though

Although there is some never explained nonsense about how two vigs = Hoopla scum. I would like that explanation now, Fate.

1. Yes the obvious scummotviations for making town think there's one less scum are just that OBVIOUS. Do you seriously think I would keep advocating Hooplascum theory anymore than jokingly at first, and more important, do you seriously think I would expect any sane townie TO BUY said theory and NOT act like its Mylo when its MyLo?
2. I say jokingly at first because Hoopla ALWAYS reads scummy to me due to past scarrings, so I always feel she has some well-thought out maniacal plan in the works, especially with daytalk this game.
3. Not seeing why this is important, but read any of HOOPLAHZ Mafia theory posts and she delves heavily on to game balance and how vigs shooting affects shit, steals extra lynches from town, etc. etc. She's a set-up mastermind and vigs+trackers is a damn well picked set-up of PR comboz to destroy town.

There's also the fact that he assumes two vigs before there was any actual evidence of this in thread, which suggests he may have had extra info. I for one did not see this as the obvious explanation for KMD not being blocked.

K. whats YOUR explanation than? Mine makes perfect sense (scum benefit of blocking a claimed vig over a claimed tracker+two NKs=Claimed vig blocked+Another vig). Plus if you actually THINK about it, why the hell wouldn't scum make it a two vig two tracker set-up? After my initial re-read, seeing a tracker out the town vig looks retrospectively train-wreckish, it only makes sense that scum would double up on a shitty town PR combo.

ooba just soiled th hell out of the DGB wagon and YOU GUYS THAT ARE VOTING DGB NEED TO PAY ATTENTION AND UNVOTE.

Bus one scumbuddy to clear the other, it's a good strategy. Fate really, really pushed for this right up until the last minute before voting DGB for deadline issues.

*shrug* ooba was far scummier than DGB (as far as my reads go) so I was basing everything around oobascum theory.

ALL THE WHILE, scum lurk, don't provide content that CAN be scumhunted, AND ARE GIVEN A FREAKIN PASS FOR IT.

SOLUTION:
-Trim the fat
-If scum still aren't dead THEN start suspecting contributors
-ONE OF OOBA/ADUMBRO/SERA/PLUMPOM/HHVV DIES TODAY. NO EXCEPTIONS. MY VOTES NOT GOING ANYWHERE ELSE

This list has a MME/Kerrigan/PokerFace sized hole.

Have no idea how that happened, except maybe I had a town read on that slot due to MME/SK posts, or I just plain forgot it was in existence.

Also, KMD is my leader today. Just sayin' - I get his drift.

VOTE: Elmo

I assume this is your breadcrumb.

Backing up DGB's claim with breadcrumbs for her? Nice.

Yeah uh... this isn't actually a tell due to scum daytalk where DGB would point out her OWN breadcrumb. You seriously believe in this, don't you? That I would go: "HERES MY BUDDIES BREADCRUMB LOOK LOOK" whereas if I were scum I would know FULL WELL that DGB's claim would be....

COUNTER-CLAIMED.

FailIAm. Fail.

This idea that mith should need to explain himself because his DGB suspicion turned out to be wrong is such bullshit, even putting aside the obvious fact that his suspicion was not actually wrong. He has already explained why he voted DGB, if this explanation was not a problem prior to DGB's claim why would it be one afterwards?

Because after DGB's claim I fully believed her to be town due to believable crumbs and lazy play lining up with it. Which means the main reason the DGB wagon happened (mith) needed to be re-examined.

Isn't it fun how Fate's vote ultimately ends up on neither scum?

I hammered DGB, so that's where my vote ended up??

Why the HELL is Seraphim in your obvtown category. No, fuckin seriously.

Vote: Seraphim

Adumbro could use some rope as well soon.

Unvote:
Vote: HackerHuck

Assclowns.

No.

NO

FUCK IT>

I WON'T BE LAZY THIS GAME.

Unvote:
Vote: Troll

This is a fun sequence of posts. My favourite part is how not one of these votes is a vote for ooba, because I guess after DGB got lynched, which ruined Fate's plan of giving her town cred from ooba's scumflip, he lost heart in that bus, at least for one day.

He does briefly switch over to ooba after Adumbro has been brought to a claim, but quite happily jumps back when KMD tells him to.

Yeah I listened to confirmed town. Would probably due it again too. You know why?

There was no damn support for an ooba wagon besides me yelling into a paper bag. Conf-town being against made it nigh-Everest climb worthy.

...And then starts the next day with another sequence of votes on NOT OOBA:

LOL LOOK AT US ALL SOFTCLAIMING THE ONLY TWO ROLES LEFT IN THE GAME. HAIIII

VOTE: SERAPHIM

ALSO:

-ELLIE WAS ON THE DO NOT VIG LIST WTF

VOTE: HACKERFUCKINGHUCK

Good stuff.

Yet again no support for Ooba wagon, so I made do.

1. I do in fact think DGB would have mercilessly bussed VV's horrible play. I also don't think she would ever mention any buddies in anyway (such that the only connections she makes are to townies when she flips)

Isn't that something.

That I had correctly read VV as town due to DGB NOT bussing him, and not INCORRECTLY via the other way around as YOU did (yeah I just mocked your reads, biatttttch), yeah I am something.

Holy fucking hell HH your vote is on POKERFACE are you seriously doign everything you can to undermine my town read of you?

See above, and "TOWNTELLS+SCUMTELLS <<<<<<<<<<<<< LACK OF ANYTELLS BEING DROPPED." for lulz.

Cept MME DID have frigging towntells, more than ooba ever crapped out of his shitty ISO.

Yeah, I'm not so sold on Fate town any more. Attempts to clear ooba based on a scum flip from DGB, and his behaviour with both ooba and HackerHuck post-DGB lynch was all about delaying their lynches for later. The fact that he argued against the "ooba AND Huck are scum" theory when it looked like ooba was actually likely to get lynched is definitely a point in his favour though. In addition to ooba's attempts to link him to DGB.

Pointing out all the reasons I COULD be scum but not addressing scum motivation for switching from one townie lynch to another (HH -> Adumbro) or for screaming for ooba to be hammered like a mad men when HH could have just as easily (and did end up) being lynched instead.

[Fate]

gaaaah incomplete thought. My LAST paragraph should read: Pointing out.... gives you some major scum points.

[Fate]

BOOM.

Scratch what I said about the votecount looking better with iam as scum.

Let's win this then.

WHEN FATE GIVES THE FREAKING GREEN LIGHT.

NUUUUUUUU. GET YOUR AWESOME ON ALREADY.

<3

PF and Iam both promised more, who am I to wrap up this game before they try helplessly to nail the scumteam?

*cackles*

[Fate]

Oh hai SpyreX I was just writing about you.

KEKEKKEKAKKAAAAAAAAA

[Fate]

BECAUSE YOU KNOW LIKE I DO BUSSING MAKES NO SENSE WITH A VIG IN PLAY AT THIS POINT

I need this one explained. Are you saying that because everyone else has agreed on your scumminess, that you can't be scum by way of reverse osmosis?

And don't worry, I've factored in the happenings if you should so be miraculously town.


P-EDIT:

How long will you be online? I'm putting on the final touches and I LOVE ME an audience

[Fate]

Look SEE NO DRUGS. I'm here, cognizant AND MORE THAN A LITTLE SURPRISED at you teapartying with iaun instead of getting to business.

Yeah I'll admit my refuting Iam's case was unnecessary. I just like pointing out flaws in arguments that's all. CALL IT PRACTICE

[Fate]

WELL THAT I GUESS ITS HIGH TIME WE THROW DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Fate]

K well this isn't going to be a complete 100% win-case like it was in KIDS MAFIA (this is directed at PlumPom) but that's because the GRAND FINALE at the end that I choose to include made making it a 100% air-tight case useless.

And of course if we don't lynch the roleblocker today I've basically fucked town's win chances (assuming the RB has some shots left), but IM JUST ARROGANT ENOUGH TO DO IT BABY.

[Fate]

SPYREX/MITH ARE THE FINAL SCUM

SpyreX-I SWEAR VV WAS SCUM BUT I'M HOLDING ONTO MY BADGE

This one will be easy.

Let's summarize his play in my usual caps mocking fashion:
D1-
"ZOMG VV IS SO SCUMMEH. WDF GUIZ HE DOES NOTHING"
"You're doing nothing except calling VVscum"
"??????????!!!!!!!!!? I VOTE TOWNIES AT LEAST!"

The DGB debacle is classic white noise (hint: it wasn't a debacle and I want real clear besides "DGB lied, people died" how that maneuver makes any sense in total as a scum move).

DGB had no scum motive, let's clear him. This makes no sense given DGB's quite well known meta of doing

batshit crazy things

meaning it was a null-tell Spy tried to pass of as a TOWN tell to clear his buddy.

The vanishing act doesn't do me hot.

Unvote, Vote: Hoopla

I WANT VV DEAD SOON HOWEVER FOR A MURDERIN PARTY

#1 Light reason to switch from ZOMG VV SCUM, to the main townie wagon. Today's flavor: Lurking through a wagon.

I didn't like it DOUBLY so considering [ongoing games redacted].

Did SpyreX just run out of his bag of tricks and resort to META to explain his "fabricated" reads? FOR SHAME.

If you thought it was a slip why the hell aren't you voting for me FFS?

Why aren't you dead yet my lord. What do we need a blinking sign?

Turns his slip on his head by trying to further indite VV with it, but not defending the slip or explaining it reasonably in anyway. SCUM REACTION+

d.) Lynch Elmo, scum flip, real vig gets to shoot at other tech players in this dance (VV springs to mind again or a mithbuster). High fives all around.

Today's reasoning: "Well we got confirmed info that he's tracked to the kill and since he didn't breacrumb let's just lynch and find out." Lolwut? Not crumbing/posting suspicion in thread means he cant' take the shot?

If you've read close enough to see statements of certainty, there's NO way (as illustrated by ekim above) that you could have missed the fact he actually was a tracker. Maaaybe while it was going on, but no way in a reread.

The QT angle makes little sense - why, WHY, would they say in this group under pressure to play dumb versus speeding things up?

Unvote, Vote: Zor

#2 On "REASON D'JOUR FOR NOT GETTING VV LYNCHED:" zomg Zor missed something that no TOWNIE would ever miss, [but of course scum would miss a thing like that] brackets part is MISSING.

I want some normal, fits on the screen, actual IDEAS from the majority of the game laid out without these giant walls. IAUN's at least makes sense as a catchup but good lord.

Now THIS one's funny when you realize how content-free SpyreX's ISO is when it comes to MAKING CASES AND SLAMMIN DUNKS.

11). ooba - I'm pretty sure we're up to 5:1 odds on some form of "I'm rereading the game" being the words that come out in the next post.

Post #66 and he FINALLY has some problems with ooba's inability to be town at all, ever. SURPRISING he never looked this direction before.

DGB scum:
Mith town.

DGB town:
Mith scum.

NOW THIS

IAMUSERNAME

IS >ACTUAL< "Clear one buddy of the other's flip" SCUM PLAY.

Final picks for scum:

SpyreX
ooba
mith
Maayybe Seraphim

Oh for fuck's sake, VV called the scumteam D2? Hell hath frozen.

GOD

Fate if he's scum I swear I want an essay on my desk about listening to SpyreX.

Unvote, Vote: Adumbro

#3 on our special segment. This time its sheeping, me, Fate, which is USUALLY excellent play but my extremeTownread on his extreScumreadVV should have given him pause to automatically assuming I'm town.

Click Here
^Look at the difference between IamTown/SpyreXscum
SpyreX says "well shit Ooba is just BEGGING for a bus, time for that train"
Iam says "GAWD MY VOTE AINT MOVING FROM HAKERSCUMMM"

VV/HH was just SpyreX's excuse for scumhunting. He actually liked keeping him around. As you can see now that he has no one to frame (no one else is scummytown) he's dead. And he can't bus mith because mith is "obvtown" and he doesn't want to rock the boat.

Because that's just as ridiculous as me and my ego warrants me dealing with that on the me side sucka.

Forced as hell. "I'm all powerful wizard thats why I do self-preservation/scummy things"

Predicted This is the post I was waiting for. SpyreX and mith have BOTH run out of scummy townies to lynch, so there only option is to half-bus half-mislynch push. Notice their reads APEX at POKERFACE mislynch, while they distance from eachother. SpyreX CAN'T make a case on anyone except LURKERSLOT+his ACTUAL buddy, so this is the route he chooses. Mith does the same--v

[Fate]

Intermission:

PokerFace is town because MME posted this:
MassClaim Given that the set-up was indeed designed to fuck town over and a mass-claim would have given us very likely TWO confirmed towns (the vigs) that could shoot at night and LOTS of extra info means this is a very town motivated plan.

If he is scum faking then I have a backup for that as well, since Iam+Plum is more town that this slot.

mith-ITS CALLED BUSSING PEOPLE. DGB IS LAUGHING IN THE DEAD QT AT YOU.

At first I didn't believe because his very excellent grasp on the game and points he made. But then I read his wiki and how he's a doctor and his title is Godfather and he's an evil mastermind. Let's begin:

SpyreX: Am I reading post 620 correctly? You would be "absolutely surprised if [the player you are currently voting for is] scum"?

(Has no one else commented on this because I'm reading it wrong, or because it's so ridiculously scummy that it blew everyone's scumdar?)

Calling SpyreX scum but making no moves beside, "hey did anyone else see how scummy SpyreX is? Is it time to bus him?" APTSCUMSLIP for post #666 DEVILMITH.

zorazer l-1 Mith's voting Zor RIGHT when his wagon was dying to get a claim. Kmd already made a case as to why this is scummy.

Obvscum with DGB

My level of interest in this game appears to be inversely proportional to the number of capitalized letters. (Seriously, people, the shouty look-at-me posting style is quite annoying to read. Cut it out.)

DGB: I'd like you to explain a few things, pretty please.

1. What is the reasoning behind your ranking system in this game? For example: Why did you choose the vote counts you chose, what is the rationale behind X scum being on each wagon, etc.?
2. How does the system you've used here compare to previous games? For example: The ranking here appears to focus more on those off wagons, only uses end-of-day vote counts, and has a different scoring system. Why the changes?
3. Explain the inconsistencies in the total scores, vs. the wagons posted. For example: It seems clear that you've given Rhinox 3 points for the Hoopla wagon, the ooba wagon, and the zoraster wagon. It's not so clear where Kmd's points come from.

Ok, the NyQuil I took is starting to kick in. More when I'm awake again.

This was during the ooba wagon build up, who he mentions very little. He takes time to make more points against DGB though. ITS CALLED BUSSING PEOPLE.

He makes a lot of posts like this in regards to ooba:
Haiooba
Which makes me believe his strategy was to softdefend one buddy, as if to urge people to come to the conclusion that he would never blatantly defend a mere

goon

as scummith. I mean seriously, he defends him in the worst way possible:

vaguely

. Saying someone is "logically not well reasoned and lurking" ADMITS that they are scummy, but he says "he reads genuine." <-Easy way to vaguely defend someone without getting into specifics that can be refuted.

posted this GEM:

AdumbroDeus' "I was trying to look like a power role" claim is... weird. Not that the strategy itself is bad or scummy, but he quoted two posts as attempts at looking like a power role, and neither of them really look like he was giving much of an effort at it if that's what he was really doing. (The first is just quoting and reiterating what others had already said, the second... doesn't look like something that would come from a power role.) On the other hand, it would be an odd thing for scum to claim (unless he was searching for a better explanation for the Kmd comment, I guess). Meh.

Fate: At the moment, I would rather lynch you than ooba.

VOTE: Ellibereth

The bolded comes a few ISO posts AFTER MITH SAYS:

DGB still easily top suspect, but agree with Fate that ooba's response is scummy. Would vote him over Plumegranate (but that was already the case).

First Ooba is #2 candidate, then he'd rather lynch ME over a nulltell lurker? Mith clearly decided on having "read" ooba as careless town, and tried to stick consistently to that view except when I made damning points on ooba (and oh did I make them).

I think at this point I'm going to be more suspicious of SpyreX if HackerHuck flips scum than if he flips town. His switch to AdumbroDeus yesterday is icky, and Hoopla made a similar point against him back in her self-hammer reveal (too quick to compromise). It all feels a bit too "Look at me! I'm voting VV/HH! Don't forget it when one of us dies!".

(Of course, the same applies to Fate and his ooba thing. But I don't think HackerHuck/ooba/Fate is likely.)

PokerFace at least looks like he's trying to figure this game out right now.

At the moment, I can't see myself voting for any of the others until we're down to the last scum (if then). Most confident of Plumegranate's innocence, of course.

Plant idea: SpyreX is only scum if HH is scum. Which was not true. Notice mith's interactions with SpyreX occilate between setting him up for a bus and defending based on what the situation calls for. Definitely not consistent.

I also never noticed the point where he switched from me being more lynch worthy than Ooba to me making decent points on Ooba. The points I made on Ooba were the same as the day before when mith said I was scummier than ooba, so it was obviously just opportunistic bussing. Yes it is a tell.

Ugh.

Ok, I am going to make the following statement:

Either I am a (Vanilla) Townsperson, or I am the Vig and think there is enough of a chance that I can get two shots off to warrant my staying hidden.

I already explained how useless this was. I read it as fishing for the Vig because the vig "who mithblocker probably thought he had successfully blocked the night before, and upon blocking that same person again and Ellie dying he went "WTF??"

The slip mith was dying to call VV out on

This is the post. This is the fucking reason mith is scum. This tell is so convoluted with the reasoning behind it REEKS of extra info. He had been holding this UNTIL it became 100% CLEAR that there were two Vigs

to the rest of town.

The timing is incredibly important. If he had made this post back when VV first said it, and it supposedly "rubbed him the wrong way" he would've been called out as scum for having extra info. So he waits until BAM TWO DEATHS to be able to post this part of his VV mislynch case. Sorry I'm not really being clear with this point, but scroll down and you'll realize why the only people who would BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND why this is a slip from VV is people with extra info about the night kills at night. Because MITH knew that Herod was INDEED the N2 scumkill, and that the only other person who should know this was the Vig, so mith PRESSED VV on that fact either hoping to out the vig or just to pad his mislynch case on VV.

Damn I'm still not being clear. Let me try to rephrase: NO ONE ELSE thought "huh, why did VV assume that Herod was the scumkill N2?" but mith, because mith knew that to be true and realized that only scum or the vig should have that info. Since VV apparently "got fucking lucky" with this info (aka he wasn't the vig) mith tried to paint it as the former and as VV being scum with that info.

That whole sequence from 1938 to 1944 is icky. SpyreX looks worst, but I don't like that Fate goaded him into switching. On the other hand, what does scumFate gain from going so hard after scumooba? Maybe he thought HH would go down anyway (which is what happened, but it didn't seem likely until the very end; if HH had voted ooba instead of throwing himself on his sword in an endgame maybe we lynch ooba and go some way toward clearing HH).

I need to review iamausername. And the end of day 3 again; we had two scum in the mix and came close to lynching Plumegranate instead.

Gut ranking of possible scumgroups:

PokerFace-SpyreX
PokerFace-iamausername
SpyreX-Fate
PokerFace-Fate
SpyreX-iamausername
iamausername-Fate

What an arbitrary list. Again he starts the distancing train with SpyreX, but would prefer a PFmislynch at MyLo.

Me and SpyreX buddies make NO SENSE (as of this quoted post) for anyone this good at mafia. Iam/Fate least likely? I'd say it would be most likely based on the few interactions I've had with that slot.

mith is one to be feared as town. Mith is one that catches scum, strings them up, and nails the rest of the scumteam while they take their dying breaths. This game, the only lynch he has been responsible for is DGB for CREDIT. Sure he has always been perfectly logical and well reasoned with his posts, but where has he ended up with said reasons? All according to a scum agenda.

Night Kills

Tajo: Something tells me that scum nokilled N1 for maximum insurance of the D2 shenanigans that occurred. This means Tajo reading SpyreX as town but then ending up dead does NOT clear SpyreX at all.
Herod: I have no fucking clue why they killed Herod. PR fishing? Competent player who mith feared? This is a night I would expect to see a dead mith/SpyreX if either of them were town this game, as it was a night devoted seemingly to getting rid of unlynchables.
Rhinox: The dumb fuck didn't full claim which would have come in REAL handy by now, provided he didn't get useless results on dead people. So he was killed before he could.
Kmd: The scum think that they have the 2nd vig sucessfully on RB lockdown, so they go for the tracked now.
CTD: Obvkilled for suspecting Mith/SpyreX both. He was "rocking the mithtown train" and had to die. There is NO other reason for mith to have been left alive at this point, given his reputation. But the MAIN reason CTD died? This quote:

Mith continues hating DGB. It doesn't improve my opinion of him by much. Scum-DGB gets bussed, that's pretty much a law of mafia. In my experience, it's hard to make sense of DGBs antics irregardless of her alignment unless you're scum with her. Hence why it's usually easier for her scum-buddies to see her scum-moves for what they are than it is for a townie. This is not to say that I count his general correctitude re: DGB as a point against mith, because it's entirely possible for a player of his caliber to get DGB right even as town (I think he even mentioned having a good track record at reading her) and I'm trying to avoid falling into the trap of confirmation bias. It's just that I don't really award town points to players who call scum-DGB from the beginning of the game (particularly if that player still ends up on two town-lynches along the way).

Take it. Sign it. Cash it.


VOTE: Mith
Mith dies for numerous reasons:
1. I want to have all the credit for a mithscum lynch, because then I will have enough political power to demand mith slap the SCUMMIES moderator and put me on the "Best New Player" like I have been nommed for SEVERAL TIMES, and fucking QUALIFY for.
2. I fear that if we lynch Spyscum today, and I die tonight, the vig won't have the balls to shoot mith and then mith will manipulate the rest of you sheeples away from himself tomorrow.

[Fate]

AND NOW FOR THE GRAND FINALEEEEEEEEEEE

heehe

DRUMROLLL

hehahHHEAHAHHAH

MWHAAAAAAAHWHAWHA

BWHAAAAAAAAAHAHHAHA

I AM THE VIGILANTE. I HAVE A GUN NOW ALL OF YOU GET ON THE FUCKING FLOOR AND DO AS I SAY.

*offers hand to PlumPom*

Come up here ladies I hereby nominate you 2/3 of my Charlie's Angel's Town Squad of Awesome.

Now there's a THIRD slot up here, which Iam and PokerFace have to fight to the death over. Because whoever's left DOWN THERE ON THE FLOOR are getting Lynched/Vigged/Lynched with our three shots this game without mercy. As is implied mith is being lynched and SpyreX is being vigged, with PF/Iam being the remaining lynch should the game miraculously continue. My personal nomination for death tomorrow (I will be gone from this world by then) is PokerFace because lurkerslots should not be allowed to win games.

NOW.

LET THE GAMES.

BEGIN.

[Fate]

NOW IT ALL MAKES SENSE EH?


The calling mith obvobv town like I was "drinking the kool-aid"

The callin SpyreX TOWN TOWN the whole time so I could survive.

EVEN the shooting of Elliebereth who was on my "no-vig" list to further distance from my claim.

EVEN insulting the vig multiple times to appear that I questioned their competence, and that an arrogance player like me would NEVER play this WIFOM game by subtlety insulting myself.

EVEN the accidentally not sending in a kill N3 (whoops) which probably made scum think that the Vig was a flaker (Seraphim's slot) or whoever they RB'd that night (leading to mith's frustration that one day).

EVEN

not fucking shooting oobaOBVSCUM

because it would have been ALL TOO CLEAR who would've taken that shot, and I also was (I guess) overly confident that I could get that slot lynched instead of wasting bullets.

AND ITS ALL WORKED.

IM HERE, IN MYLO, CONFIRMED TOWN, KICKING ASS AND LYNCHING SCUM.

NOW LET'S GO TOWN THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN LOSE

[Fate]

NOW IT ALL MAKES SENSE EH?


The calling mith obvobv town like I was "drinking the kool-aid"

The callin SpyreX TOWN TOWN the whole time so I could survive.

EVEN the shooting of Elliebereth who was on my "no-vig" list to further distance from my claim.

EVEN insulting the vig multiple times to appear that I questioned their competence, and that an arrogance player like me would NEVER play this WIFOM game by subtlety insulting myself.

EVEN the accidentally not sending in a kill N3 (whoops) which probably made scum think that the Vig was a flaker (Seraphim's slot) or whoever they RB'd that night (leading to mith's frustration that one day).

EVEN

not fucking shooting oobaOBVSCUM

because it would have been ALL TOO CLEAR who would've taken that shot, and I also was (I guess) overly confident that I could get that slot lynched instead of wasting bullets.

AND ITS ALL WORKED.

IM HERE, IN MYLO, CONFIRMED TOWN, KICKING ASS AND LYNCHING SCUM.

NOW LET'S GO TOWN THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN LOSE

[Fate]

**EVEN the accidentally slipping (that Iam pointed out) that there were two vigs FAR too early. (For some reason I thought it was apparent as hell when I did my initial re-read, but it was only until SpyreX pointed out that it wasn't clear that I had to backtrack and say "FUCK! ummm... cause Kmd wasn't blocked?)

N1: eKim shoot Tajo (and not VV? what the fuck man...)
N2: eKiM shot Elmo. OH FUCK I FORGOT I LEFT THIS OUT OF MY MITH CASE.

HOLD ON.

IMPORTANT PART OF MITH CASE RIGHT HERE -V

The two-Vig scenarios basically work the same way as the one-Vig scenarios. But to summarize the plan:

If you're a Vig and you shot tajo, shoot Elmo tonight.
If you're a Vig and you didn't shoot tajo, shoot someone other than Elmo tonight.

^THIS IS PR DIRECTION PLAIN AND SIMPLE, AND GOT VIG ON VIG KILLING VIOLENCE TO OCCUR, BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT THE OTHER VIG INDEED SHOT TAJO (AS WAS SCUM'S PLANS WITH THEIR NOKILL) UNDER WHAT GUISE? WHO WOULD EVEN COME UP WITH THIS SORT OF PLAN AS TOWN?


ANYWAY

N3- Deadline snuck up on me on a night I worked. I was sooo pissed I didn't get to shoot VV/PF mislynch fodder.
N4-ELLIE was fishing for the vig and it was pissing me off. Add this to the fact that his play was so abysmal he too was mislynch fodder down the road, PLUS the distancing act.
N5-WHO ELSE would be so arrogant as to shoot on a night where

missing means the game ends in a town loss basically

<-RIGHT HERE BABY. YOU CAN CALL ME FATE.
N6- PEW PEW SPYREX IMMA GET SATISFACTION OUT OF VIGGING BOTH OF MY CAPSLAWKEALLIANCE ORIGINAL CREW IN THE SAME GAME

[Fate]

EDWOP:

WHO WOULD EVEN COME UP WITH THIS SORT OF PLAN AS TOWN?

NO ONE. BECAUSE TOWN HAD NO REASON TO BELIEVE AT THIS POINT A "TWO VIG" SCENARIO, YET MITH APPARENTLY TOOK THAT INTO CONSIDERATION

And if he took it into consideration, why did he AUTOMATICALLY assume that if One vig shot Tajo, Elmo MUST be scum and not just a second vig?

HMMMMMMMMmmm!?!?!!

AND FINALLY:

TLDR:

I'M THE VIG. WE'RE VOTING WHO I SAY TODAY. MAKE YOUR LAST DITCH EFFORTS TO BEG FOR YOUR LIFE IF YOUR NAME IS NOT PLUM/IAM

[Fate]

OI SPYREX.

WHERE'D YOU GO?

DOESN'T TAKE THAT LONG TO READ+WE AGREE ON MITHSCUM (lol) SO GET IN HERE AND BEG.


ANd now for the bonus scenes:

[Fate]

Scum QT:

"awww HELL yeah mithscum! This one's in the bag"-ooba
"Don't get too cocky Star Fox. I will bus without mercy if I have to"-mith
"AIAIAIAIIAIAIIAIAIIAI GAMBIT GAMBIT GAMBIT AIIAIAIIA"-DGB
"What the fuck are you doing DGB?"-SpyreX
"MOONBEANSHIDERNOTINTHESETUPMOONBEAMS"-DGB
"FFS, at least there's no ACTUAL scum motivation behind this nonesense."-SpyreX
"K, good D0 guys, I can make a huge content post and none of you are all that scummy based off D0 play"-ooba
"Papa Zito is bloody obvtown"-SpyreX
"I'm sure I can get a Hoopla mislynch through here."-mith
"Damn fine choice for a janitoring, Hoopla's hard to read usually."-SpyreX
"Anyone see any crumbs yet? Not that I'll be roleblocking since no one can EVER lynch me and no vig would EVER dare to shoot me."-mith
"KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWUUUUUUUUUAAAAAAAAAAA!!! NOBODY SUSPECT MITH OF PUTTING VIG IN SETUP! AIIAIAIIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAA!"-DGB
"Well yes, those fools and their MD threads. I LOVE VIGS AND SHOOTING-ac-hem*"
"K I'm puttin her at L-1 and sweepin her under the rug"-SpyreX
"WHAT THE FUCK NOOOOO. GOD DAMN IT HOOPLA WE'VE BEEN FOILED!"

End scene.
"So tonight we no kill. Let town make damn fools of themselves."-mith
"YES MASSAH. YESSSSSS"-DGB
"AHHAHA LOL LOOK. TRACKER OUTED VIG N1 PRICELESS"-SpyreX
"ZzzZzz"-ooba
"Ooba you've got six fucking town votes on you you assclown. HURRY UP AND POST SOMETHING"-mith
"mithscumZzzZzzdon'tneedtotryZzz"-ooba
"I'm going to defend what ooba has said so far. No one should suspect me as someone who would soft defend a goon postflip."-mith
"It's a good thing these clowns ARENT actually wagonning VV and that the Tinfoilhat brigade Vigs didn't shoot him. Gives me a great shield."-SpyreX
"ZORAWAGON.ZORA.ZORA."-DGB
"Oh the wagons fading, we need to out his claim at least"-mith
"ha KMD thinks he can get me lynched? The fool. I am...the GODFATHER."-mith
"Should we kill him tonight?"-ooba
"No, that's too obvious. He won't be able to get me lynched tomorrow either. Let's kill"
"HEROD HEROD I SENT IT IN!!!!!!!JKEAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"-DGB
"Why the hell not."-SpyreX

SCENE.

MORE TO COME PENDING CRITIC REVIEWS

[Fate]

Mith is still going to CC me. He wouldn't have claimed either bc he wouldn't. Have been wagonned, YOU would have. This way the cards are in my hand and we go my way today.

Also I will reconsider given what you said re MC and PF defending mith setup meta. Lurker slots always give me trouble endgame.

[Fate]

I guess I don't have to explain the town part now I hope.

GOD.

?

[Fate]

Yeah goodnight.

I was going to gambit it up but I had written so much Spyscum text I rolled with it even though rereading the game gave me a town read on you again...

[Fate]

DID HE CC? LOL CALLED IT.

No one do anything stupid till I get back from work. Were lynching mithbllocker today

[Fate]

Still at work, mith apparently saw CCing as not viable, his defense post is a whole lot of ~NOT ME- and not why sprex is scum. His backpedaling fromzomgslip to -oh I thought you were vig all along- is also terribad

[Fate]

Correct play was to get you dead cause scum has likely narrowed the vig down to me anyway, and prob stiill has rbshots left such that I would die and be unable to kill or get you lynched

[Fate]

Well well well look who started showing up more

[Fate]

HONEY IM HOMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

Lemme go write some flavor and shit but DONT GO ANYWHERE

[Fate]

A mafia member can't kill and use their night action on the same Night.

HEHEHAHHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

WE DONT HAVE TO LYNCH THE RB TODAY, JUST SCUM.

FOLLOW ME ONTO MITH.

SPY I GOT YOUR VOTE, PLUMPOM'S TOO>

ALL THATS LEFT IS FOR PF TO BUS OR IAM TO SEE THE LIGHT.

KEKEKAKAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Fate]

I was in the middle of typing up an analysis of the possibilities remaining, but I had a "wait, what?" moment. I'll go ahead and post the analysis as well, but:

Fate, 2039: "2. I fear that if we lynch Spyscum today, and I die tonight,

the vig won't have the balls to shoot mith

and then mith will manipulate the rest of you sheeples away from himself tomorrow."

Fate, 2040: "I AM THE VIGILANTE."

---

Case 1: Fate is the Vigilante, and wins a Scummie for being the biggest idiot in the history of mafiascum. Seriously, what part of "a Vigilante kill tonight is a free kill for the town, the Vigilante needs to stay hidden and unblocked" didn't get through? If he's the Vigilante, believes he has fooled the scum, and believes I am one of the scum, he should have just shot me tonight; at least that would leave some hope of town pulling this out after I come up town.

If Fate is town, it's PokerFace/SpyreX (with a slight chance of other scum just playing an awesome game, in which case congrats in advance).

Case 2: Fate is scum, trying to out the real Vigilante, or even anticipate who the real Vigilante is so that when the real Vig counters he has a chance at a mislynch and instant-win.

PokerFace/Fate is more likely here, followed by SpyreX/Fate. If it were either of the others, there's no reason whatsoever for Fate to try to out the Vigilante, because the team wouldn't fear the extra kill.

PokerFace/Fate = PokerFace is headed toward a lynching, and is the Roleblocker. Early in the day, Fate is ok with getting me to rule him out as a possibility, because then the Vig kill and tomorrow's lynch drop on SpyreX and iamausername in some order and he wins. After iamausername's massive re-read and Plumegranate and I both expressing confidence in his innocence, Fate's fate (ha) is not so clear after a PokerFace lynch. On the other hand, if Fate pushes through a mislynch, win, and if he at least outs the real Vig he gives PokerFace a fighting chance.

SpyreX/Fate = The only reason to fake claim here is if the scum haven't narrowed down the possibile Vigilante candidates through previous blocks. If they've ruled out two of us, they let the PokerFace mislynch proceed and either PokerFace is the Vig, or after the mislynch they know who the Vig is and block that player for the win. Otherwise, they have either a 1/2 or 1/3 chance of blocking the Vig after a mislynch for the win, so a fake claim means he doesn't think he'd be able to push through a mislynch tomorrow if the Vig kill gets through, and he's confident enough that either [I'm the Vig and he can get a mislynch on me] or [PokerFace will be lynched instead of SpyreX tomorrow after Fate sacrifices himself to out the Vig] to beat those odds.

---

Between the slip and the "I don't think Fate is that much of an idiot", I think Fate is lying scum. I'm not going to counter-claim, whatever my role is, because I think Fate is trying to out the real Vig, and I'd rather have two chances to figure out whether his buddy is PokerFace or SpyreX than just one. (In the event that Fate guessed wrong and someone else is the Vig, up to you whether you think it's more important to be sure the Fate lynch goes through or stay hidden to shoot his scumbuddy in the face after we lynch him.)

VOTE: Fate

This post makes no sense if mith isn't counter-claiming me. If he had READ my post carefully he'd realize my "slip" was me just having fragmented my post. (I.e. at first, I wasn't planning on claiming so I put some WIFOMesque comments at the end of it with regard to the vig, but then ended up claiming without rewriting.) And furthermore, to

vote me

for it? Why would you ever vote a claimed last vig?

If you notice SpyreX didn't point out that slip, he went "aaah so I was right about Fatevig all along" and accepted it at face value. JUST like we both accepted DGB's claim when it was first made.

Mith's posts reeks more of him faking to try to be town, "whats that? a slip? Maybe Fate isn't the real vig and this is a gambit?" and him outlining all the possibilities, (never really saying WHAT he believes, just WHAT COULD be true, which is tech.)

Of course that "analysis" that was being typed out never came, because it was never being written.

[Fate]

Fate: There's a lot of confirmation bias here; you've basically started with the assumption I'm scum and tried to put motivation to all my actions in the game. Where applicable, I'll point out where you're wrong, either in your premises or in the belief that scummith would act as you suggest; otherwise, I'll give my actual pro-town motivation and thought process.

WHERE APPLICABLE? So only in the cases where you CAN spin a pro-town bias will you point it out? LOLSCUMZ.

Calling SpyreX scum but making no moves beside, "hey did anyone else see how scummy SpyreX is? Is it time to bus him?" - Or... mith is trying to figure out the game, and gives SpyreX a chance to explain an apparently scummy statement. His response follows in the next post, and was enough to rule out "slip" (even now that I am pretty much certain he is scum, mistypings like that happen to town - I've got a history of leaving off "n't" and ending up with "would" instead of "wouldn't").

SpyreX didn't explain his slip by saying he left off n't, what the hell?

"Mith's voting Zor RIGHT when his wagon was dying to get a claim." - Er... his wagon was dying? No. His wagon was at L-2 (had been L-1, but Herodotus moved to make sure we weren't neglecting other suspects), it was time for a claim. Had I not voted zoraster, I have little doubt someone else would have demanded a claim soon after - that wagon dissolved temporarily only because of Kmd's insane "mith couldn't believe that" case, not because of anything town zoraster did.

I have doubts. Your vote was critical as hell, Kmd saw it too.

The ooba stuff - I had a town read on ooba for much of the game, and I'm not big on "hai guys we're going to lynch this player without giving any reasoning". I saw a wagon pop up on someone I wasn't suspicious of, and wanted an explanation, both to see if there was something to it, and to get Papa Zito posting more substance to better read

him

.

And now WHY did you have that town read? Papa Zito DID have reasoning behind it, I had reasoning behind it, and ONLY WHEN that reasoning became overwhelming in favor of oobascum did you finally concede "ok we'll lynch ooba."

"The bolded comes a few ISO posts

[and two claims, a softclaim, a scum lynch, and a nightkill]

AFTER MITH SAYS:" - Fixed that for you.

That's not how I remember it, but fine. Scum adjust their strategy as the game goes on ALSO, town usually keep their reads for a good while until the slot tries to do something to change it. Ooba did NOTHING cept null-tell"low activity" card so your read should've stayed.

"First Ooba is #2 candidate, then he'd rather lynch ME over a nulltell lurker?" - ooba wasn't #2 candidate; ooba was second out of the three viable lynches day 3 (DGB, ooba, Plumegranate). Day 4, I look back and see Fate trying to push things away from DGB, then coming out with a vauge Ellibereth-town meta; in the moment, DGB/Ellibereth/Fate looked well worth considering.

Convoluted and I'm not following your TOWN thought process here.

Vague Ellie town meta? So at that time my strategy was defend BOTH my buddies? Is this really how you scumhunt as town? Doubtful.

"Notice mith's interactions with SpyreX occilate between setting him up for a bus and defending based on what the situation calls for. Definitely not consistent." - Or: mith is town and trying to figure out the game. As my suspicions change, my posts follow.

Yeah tomato tomahto, you're scum though.

"I also never noticed the point where he switched from me being more lynch worthy than Ooba to me making decent points on Ooba." - Ellibereth came up town, for one; to start the day, HH/Fate seemed quite possible. Then ooba posted, and I saw a strong HH/ooba link. Moving to ooba was about his posting day 5, not your argument; the argument of yours I found persuasive was the "ooba is scum regardless of HH's alignment" stuff based on that posting.

When did you make posts saying HH/Fate was possible? I remember you talking about HHscum until I heralded on Ooba enough for you to say "oh ok well HH+Ooba then"

"I already explained how useless this was." - It was admittedly subtle; I had spotted the apparent VV slip two days previous (see: 1410, "Note to self: 1328.") but with only one kill after the DGB lynch it looked like Elmo killed Herodotus and it couldn't be a slip (1684: "I have a hesitation on him - well, VasudeVa - similar to the one on PokerFace, however; I'm not ready to discuss yet since it involves speculation on the night results."). When it became clear that there were two Vigs, he jumped back to the top, but I wanted to avoid running him up, getting a fake Vig claim from him (which couldn't be ruled out by the slip) and outing the real Vig on counterclaim. Thus, the apparently useless statement - I was pretty confident that HH, being a top suspect from the previous day, could not make that statement if he were the Vig - so either he would claim Vig (no loss, since he would have been run up to a claim anyway, with the added benefit of a fake claim being extremely unlikely pre-wagon) or he wouldn't and I'd call him out on the slip, having ruled out the HH-Vig possibility.

If you saw some "night info awareness" and THEN there was only ONE KILL the next night, why the HELL would you "pause" until TWO VIGS became apparent, and THEN call out the slip? A TOWN train of though would've been "well fuck VV couldn't have made a vigslip, HE MUST BE SCUM." the night Rhinox died. But did you say this at all? NOPEEEEE. For reasons I mentioned earlier about you not wanting to have info until you SHOULD have had info.

Not reading your Code because I'm not going to meta-clear you regardless and I don't care about the numbers.

"What an arbitrary list." - Not really. Deliberately vague to see what reactions I would get to it, but even my gut has some underlying logic. It's a bit WIFOMish either way, but I felt at the time that if you were scum, SpyreX made the most sense as your scumbuddy; who would ever suspect that the two of you with your capital letters and your erratic play were both scum together? Like I said, the end of day 5 was icky. Otherwise, PokerFace was my clear top suspect, and I didn't like iamausername-Fate in large part because I'd had town reads on both of you and it would mean both PokerFace and SpyreX were town, which was unacceptable to my worldview.

"I did it for reactions" on DAY 6? Holy lol. Also, IFFFFFF I was scum being the key word, which means you have me BEING scum as #3 most likely, which is horse shit. Also the link to SpyreX being "WHO WOULDA THUNK IT??? TWO RAGING CAPS BUDDIES?" is the sort of case I'd expect from a Newbie VI to make, not from you mith.

"Mith is one that catches scum, strings them up, and nails the rest of the scumteam while they take their dying breaths." - Ah, another classic Crap Logic(tm) argument to pair with VV's "mith is still alive, OMG!".

Valid tell is valid and I'll be validated post game by the vivacious volume of very vocal town members. VENDETTA BITCH.

I think I'm pretty good at catching scum in the end, but that doesn't mean my suspicions always pan out early in the game. (Treestump is a great example - after coming in as a replacement and an obvscum day 1 lynch, I managed to lead the town to four straight stumpings... but in the process found enough - 2 - players I was certain were innocent to ensure the scum were caught by process of elimination.)

LOL SELF-META.

It's not even a good argument in this game, though. Let's go through the lynches...

Day 1: I was on Hoopla pretty much all day, trying to provoke responses and get more solid read on her... and I did get a more solid (scum) read on her, because she gave up half way through and decided to play Jester and draw the Janitor out.

K.

Day 2: I was on DGB most of the day, until the zoraster lynch looked inevitable. Then I moved there because zoraster's play was terrible. (zoraster: "Simple explanation: I'm an idiot.") Then I moved back to DGB, and DGB moved to me, and at one point the vote count was zoraster 4, DGB 3, mith 3... why would DGB and I do this if we were scum together? (Hint: It doesn't make sense as bussing, because confirmed innocent Kmd was convinced at that point that we were scum together, and lynching one of us would have just made him push harder for the other!) Then I switched back to zoraster because I ran out of time to lynch DGB.

So Zoraster's play was terrible but, OOBAKINS is town? Nope. Not at fucking all.

Day 3: DGB all day. I made a strong argument for why her claim was fake, in a situation where people buying into that argument would have resulted in a DGB lynch without outing the Tracker (if I were scum with DGB and knew she was trying to out the Tracker, I wouldn't make that post).

A strong argument that only DGBbuddies would be able to make cause they know she's scum. Kthx.

Also "I wouldn't make that post" lemme go check.

OH HAI. "I don't believe this claim... DGB's "woe is me, my lynch is inevitable, here let me post some crappy analysis so you can think of me when I'm gone" routine doesn't fit with having things to claim. Kmd's hinting was about as obvious as a bat to the face, so DGB sheeping that isn't much in the way of evidence. I don't think I've ever played as a Tracker, but my instinct there would be to track someone middle-of-the-pack, rather than a top suspect, and getting a "no-action" on said top suspect wouldn't cause me to completely back off that player.

Meh. We're letting scum off the hook, and in exchange it looks like we're lynching someone who has little chance of being scum. mith no likey.

I'm going to try to get back to sleep (I need to stop waking up at 4, it's annoying). I'll be back in a little while to re-read ooba and Plumegranate and figure out what to do. I'd rather just lynch scumDGB, though. We need a scum flip, and the ways we can "prove" she's lying all involve outing another power role or two.

"

HEHAHHAHAAAAAAAAAAA.

TOWN HAD NO REASON NOT TO BELIEVE HIS CLAIM AT THIS TIME.

Similar today where you don't believe my claim. You just wanted more credit and more "look wut I said to DGB!!!" later on, because you KNEW that DGB wouldn't have just been "lynched anyways" without a counter-claim.

Day 4: Initially Ellibereth, then switch to AdumbroDeus after catching an apparent contradiction in his defense. (AdumbroDeus: "Obviously I'm just going insane...").

Yes, both townies, and apparently you only have one sentence to say about your "pro-town" motivations this day.

Day 5: Initially HackerHuck after another apparent slip, then switched to oobascum. Was not voting at the end of the day, but I would have been voting for ooba had the day not ended prematurely.

Like I said this "slip" would've been outed by you D3 when it seemed we only had ONE VIG aka only ONE townie with Night info (Elmo) who was already dead.

So... two scum, two VIs, and a Jester. Plus I nailed the remaining scumgroup in my first post today. I'd say that's a pretty good job.

Nailed them? I thought it was just a gut ranking for "teh lulz" and reactions?
WHERES YOUR CASE ON SPY+POKERFACE.

OH TAHTS RIGHT>....

scummith would never ever allow a no-kill N1. (But scummith would never have given the town two Vigs in the first place. Vigs rule out suspects and give the town extra kills.)

Cool.

Herodotus was pretty obvious town; I would've killed him as scum.

Obligatory, "yeah I would've done that as scum" part of your list.

"Rhinox was pretty obvious Tracker; I would've killed him as scum.

I don't think I would have killed Kmd as scum; I would have been more concerned with neutralizing the second Vig, using both the kill and the block." YOU ALREADY THOUGHT YOU HAD NEUTRALIZED THE VIG DUE TO THE FUCKING NO KILL N3.

"CTD was pretty obvious town; I would've killed him as scum, if I thought there was a chance he was the Vig." MOST LIKELY HE IS THE PERSON YOU RB'D N3, AND HE ALSO NAILED YOU AS SCUM.

"I want to have all the credit for a mithscum lynch, because then I will have enough political power to demand mith slap the SCUMMIES moderator and put me on the "Best New Player" like I have been nommed for SEVERAL TIMES, and fucking QUALIFY for." - Sucks to be you, then. If I am lynched, the blame for the town's loss will fall entirely on you; I, Plumegranate, and iamausername all correctly named the remaining scum, and even if you were 100% certain I'm scum, correct play was to stay hidden and shoot me tonight.

<3 Appeal to Plum and Iam because they fell for DGB's distancing act and I need one of their votes to lynch you, s'all good.

NO HARD FEELINGS POST-GAME I HOPE EH MITH?

[Fate]

PokerFace is the more likely Roleblocker, with the SpyreX-Janitor link Fate pointed out earlier, so I'm voting that way in hopes of getting an extra shot despite Fate's ill-timed claim.

(Given that Fate thinks it's SpyreX/mith, that's probably just going to confirm his suspicions, but there's not much I can do about that with my vote. I'll respond to his post later, have to run an errand now.)

VOTE: PokerFace

HEHHAHAHAAAAAAAAA.

This one's a classic. I'm "a moron, the dumbest fucking vig ever with a stupid fucking early claim" but you AGREE with me on that Spyrex-Janitor Link?

WELL HERES NEWS FOR YOU:

1. I was just raving mad like the lunatic I am, I wasn't actually

serious

about that post equaling SpyJanitor
2. Given what I think, voting PokerFace only confirms to me last minute DISTANCIN act (by way of, "well I'm going down time to "mislynch" dive as hard as I can, which should pseudo-confirm PF when I flip scum)

[Fate]

And mith, don't respond to my wall and give the poor souls of this game more to read, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY:

One and ONLY one of SpyreX/PokerFace is scum. Leaning more toward PF (sorry Spy), but wouldn't be surprised if Spy just manipulated me coldly aagain (FUCK YOU SPY)

You are scum regardless. You are dying today. YOU ARE DYING TODAY.

[Fate]

"But if I don't want one its fine"

...?

LOL

YOU DO REALIZE IF YOU WERE TOWN AND WERE LYNCHED TODAY, BOTH SCUM WOULD BE ALIVE TONIGHT, AND ID BE RBD AND THE OTHER ONE WOULD KILL ME AND IT WOULD MEAN A TOWN LOSS? I think your "yay we'll be ok if we lynch me!" was a slip about you being scum because lynching you, there'd be only one scum left and we WOULD be ok.

You're right, SpyreX WOULDN'T vote you if he was scum with you. Which clears him from being scum. I'm not seeing the giant leap onto THEREFORE POKERFACE MUST BE SCUM. Because what I was telling you is that I am sure YOU are scum and not sure who with.

This statement is also tech:

NO ONE ELSE PUTS A VOTE ON MITH UNTIL EVERYONE IS ALL CAUGHT UP.

[Fate]

You mean mithscum being caught out of literally nowhere?

<_<?

[Fate]

Yeah I still can't make heads or tails of his train of thought there.

SpyreX you wanna know how I know you're town?

You stayed up late with me last night and actually refuted my points cleanly, (to be brutally honest, I actually felt bad making some of the points I made because my thoughts at the time were "wow I'm really just twisting his posts here a lot..." but I went through anyway due to timespent+reactions)

I'm sorry.

We cool bro?

[Fate]

Actually I think what mith is going for is:

"I CAN'T be scum with SpyreX, because he's voting me, and therefore PokerFace MUST be scum with me (from your POV) and scum with SpyreX (from my POV)"

All will be clear when the man HIMSELF posts, because he SURE AS HELL isn't going to get to be the hammer vote today.

[Fate]

Its funny that you are so certain of that Combo-team today mith, when earlier you were all like "I WANT you [to claim vig] to be town Fate, but I DUN KNOWWWWWWWW"

You thought that because you realized "well fuck, once I'm lynched its lights out for my team. GG Town." You would be ok with it because what can you do about it? I'm the one with the gun and he final say. The LACK of flailing in this instance (the game depends on it) is TELLING. You weren't even frustrated when I told you "no STFU don't respond to my wall." You said "meh ok, I'll just shutup unless Pom/Iam wants me to talk." ???? WHY ARENT YOU DOING EVERYTHING IN YOUR POWER TO STOP THIS LYNCH?

YOU

STILL

HAVENT TOLD ME WHY POKER/SPY ARE SCUM ASIDE FROM "PoE Iam+Plum are obvtown+Im town lol" AND "You told me not to post" IS NOT A VIABLE RESPONSE FROM SOMEONE WHO THINKS MY PLAY IS TERRIBLE AND I AM A MORON.

You YOURSELF admit that it was scummy as hell with your "aside from basically claiming scum, I've been pretty clearly town this whole time yo."

[Fate]

I still need to iso SpyreX and mith, but I'm pretty sure I want to lynch PokerFace today.

GOD DAMN IT NO. I NEED YOUR VOTE.

YOU'RE REINFORCING THAT MITH/IAM LONGSHOT AND I DON'T LIKE IT.

HERE'S THE SKINNY:

SPYREX+MITH ARE BOTH DOWN FOR A POKERFACE LYNCH.

NEITHER SHOULD BE DOWN FOR BUSSING GIVEN MY VIG CLAIM+SCUM LYNCH TODAY=SCUMLOSS.

ONE OF SPYREX AND MITH ARE SCUM.

ERG0

NEITHER OF THEM SHOULD GET THEIR COVETED PF LYNCH.

[Fate]

Yes let's let CTD finish.

He will likly realize suspicion of mith is wrong after he gets to seeing the DGB wagon and lynch

I don't think he has gotten to that based on his analysis so far

I like how people are starting to see the Huck ooba pairing, granted there is some even I need to catch up on though.

Got to see if ooba better lynch than huck.

My access for weekend is getting better though not 100% so staying with that note in my sig. Gonna try to be caught up on monday at latest

Now THATS something for PF to focus on.. given that CTD had been making comments on EVERYTHING.

[Fate]

YES I realize I just made a mini-case on PokerFace but I'm EMPHASIZING the mith connections because I WANT MITH DEAD TODAY.

[Fate]

WUBAuHUDAUWBEUBAWHABDHAWBHAWB

RULE OUT SCHMULE OUT.

SPYREX WAITED UNTIL WE HAD MOD INFO THAT WE DIDN'T

NEED

TO LYNCH THE ROLEBLOCKER TODAY. HE COULD'VE VOTED MITH TEH SECOND AFTER I DID AND SAID "HOOORAAAAAAAH"

NICE DODGING THE REST OF MY POST THOUGH>

L
O
L

[Fate]

SpyreX I SWEAR TO GOD

YOU TINFOILIN IAUN IS MAKING ME THINK YOU ARE TINFOILIN ME INTO SHOOTING POKERFACE TONIGHT,

AKA

3P ENDGAME: SPYREX, IAM, PLUM.

ARE YOU SETTING SHIT UP FOR THE FUTURE THAT WILL ONLY COME IN MITH/SPYSCUMUNIVERSE?

PAPA ZITO SCREAMED TOWN AT THE TOPS OF HIS LUNGS ALL OF D1. THEN IAM CAME IN A POSTED A COMPETENT CATCH-UP POST.

THESE THINGS HAVE ALREADY BEEN SAID BY ME. THEY NEED NOT BE SAID AGAIN.

[Fate]

Like you said, they apparently had no idea I was the Vig AKA MY PLAYZ WORKED or that I'd be so reckless as to take ooba shot BOOM BOOM POW (whereas you, on the other hand, apparently caught me as vig back on D3 AND know I would do crazy shit), which has led to this day where forcing a SpyreX/PokerTeam was the only way, (with mith being the roleblocker) and mith blocking me tonight (he's got to have narrowed it down to me by now with Plum's claim and Iam's play, and the fact that VV was never vigged) For a COMBO ENDGAME-> SpyreX/Mith/Me/Iam of hoping that mithTown+Momentum of PF bus would carry out toward a SpyreX lynch for the win. BUT mith can't block+kill, so...
THEIR PLANS.

I HAVE FOILED THEM.

NOW MITH HAS TOSSED HIS HANDS UP IN A LAST DITCH (laughable really) ATTEMPT TO SLOW DOWN THE VICTORY TRAIN THAT HAS LEFT THE STATION. HIS POKERFACE VOTE LYNCH IS NO MORE THAN CROSSING HIS FINGERS AND HOPING A PF LYNCH WOULD MAKE ME CHANGE MY MIND TONIGHT AND SHOOT YOU SPYREX.

[Fate]

Mmm doubleclick.

^K Spyrex is 100% modconfirmed town.


I also see MITH AS STILL ONLINEZ but not posting which seals it for me.

As much as I want the glory, vigging mith tonight will be just as good.

And I really don't want to have to waste time trying to get Iaum over onto this righteous mith lynch.

Therefore I, AND ONLY, will be the one to hammer PokerFace should the time come and the winds be blowing.

[Fate]

ITT: mith feels no pressure at all from me, and is fully confident in his ability to avoid the lynch via manipulating PlumPom and Iam's faulty reads.

NOT SO FAST STAR FOX

[Fate]

because of the nature of DGB's interactions and behavior towards him as

I have to stop right here and say NO NO BAD PLUMPOM BAD! That's exactly what DGB's play is FOR. I've treated scumbuddies like this in the past and have gotten cleared/cleared them for it, its just no good. No good at all.

[Fate]

Your quiz doesn't ask much:

1. I don't really care how much mith likes or doesn't like vigs. I'm not going to have that clear him in anyway.

2. I already regarded the DGB situation, you clearing mith because of something ANOTHER player slot did (SCUM PLAYERSLOT) to him is weak and faulty and the #1 reasons scum win LyLos anyway.

3. I wish I could explain it better, but ONE- the PR direction in the form of ("Well if there are two vigs, the plan doesn't change much") when there was NO reason to assume two vigs given only two NKs... PLUS (no matter how well he faked being "townie" and "only having info as it comes" via breadcrumbing why that post rubbed him the wrong way or not) there was no reason for him not to point that out DAY FOUR as opposed to Day Five when it was 100% there were two vigs. In fact as I stated there is MORE town reason to point out that post that rubbed him the wrong way DAY FOUR when it looked to town as though only ONE vig. But scummith KNEW there were two and didn't want to come off as having too much too early, so he didn't say anything about it.

4. Re; Scumkill n1, it is entirely possible that scum killed Tajo as well. Especially since I'm over SpyreXscum and Tajo was a viable night kill. So mith's "ID NEVER LET MY TEAM DO THIS" maybe in fact true and irrelevant.

5. Re: Retracting SpyreXscum therefore I should look at mithscum more carefully. Mith was more first read, 100% he was scum. PF/SPyreX were the other two. I

incorrectly

marked MME down as town for his massclaim plan, only to be (rightfully) pointed out how a massclaim would have HURT town by SpyreX, and spent a whole night twisting SpyreX's posts and feeling dirty because of it. SpyreX has had his fair share of towntells, and I was just taking the rest and spinning it scummily.

MITH on the other hand has barely ANY towntells. Just because he's "textbook town" and has always well-reasoned and logical posts does NOT mean that if you go back, read them, and try to connect the dots you fail to see an actual pro-town agenda coursing through. Its more of a "k D1, make case on Hoopla." "D2 make case on ___" etc. etc. mith has gone through the game simply making WELL-REASONED and LOGICAL cases on townies and getting them lynched because of it (Hoopla, Zoraster, Adumbro, HH), which the scumagenda behind is VERY clear. His play is just so careful, is the best way to describe it. He HIMSELF mentions that he has been "Acting townie" except for his latest "lynch me s'all good"

Re: That last part. What does it matter? Why CANT mith make that sort of mistake? And I don't see mith making that sort of mistake as town-because it would mean losing the game-he'd have his facts straight about the possible Night outcomes (aka mithtown lynched, Vig roleblocked=gg) instead of for some reason thinking that if we mislynched we'd still come through with a win. THE ONLY WAY I see him thinking this is if he was trying to get some last ditch "yeah my lynch is fine" through that towntell, but it BACKFIRED when he realized that his "mislynch" WOULDNT be fine.

But its moot cause he's scum.

[Fate]

Dammit Fate. I know bizarro behavior with someone else doesn't mean not-buddies, especially with DGB.

But I

do

want to have some look at DGB and ooba ISO in regards to mith. It's possible I won't find anything conclusive either way, but I might and I want to believe you but there's a part of me that wants to check your work on the mith=scum thing.

I'm sorry didd I keep you up?

Sowwwwwwy. Go to sleep girl we can talk about this in the morning <3

[Fate]

YEAH IM ONLINE AND YOURE THE MAN OF THE HOUR BABY

[Fate]

Oh lord that post is HILARIOUS.

besides your NORMAL train wreck of posting style to read, you go from

"fate may not be vig real vig should not counter"

"i am not scum because ctd died"

"fate ill nom you for scummy if town wins"

"fate mith is scum ill vote him you ready? he scum with spyrex for sure"

Why are you down for lynching mith so quickly?

Isn't SpyreX's vote making you hold back? If SpyreX+Mith are scum they lose if one of them are lynched today, so surely it isn't this easy.

[Fate]

i take it you don't want me to wait then

Vote: Mith

if you wrong though i retract noming you for anything.

Poker what I'd do to live a day in your shoes and see the world as you do...

[Fate]

Mith's in no real danger of being quickhammered so your vote is fine where it is.

Though with that gem of a post it is going to be very interesting to see what others say about it.

OH HAI SPYREX YOU TOO?

What the fuck is PokerFace doing as either alignment? HALP

[Fate]

yeah but MITH would last a fuckton a lot longer in 3p than Poker...

WAIT IS THAT WHAT POKER IS DOING?

PLAYING THE JESTER?

NUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!

IM STAYIN THE COURSE ON MITH MY ARROW WILL BE TRUE

[Fate]

What the hell? YOU DID READ the last posts made by BOTH Iaun and Plum.

WHAT JUICE ARE YOU DRINKING?

I, (and maybe you), ALONE ARE THE ONES THAT BELIEVE IN MITHSCUM.

[Fate]

NO NO SLEEP.

MITH IS STILL AROUND CAUSE THE VIG (ME) NEEDED TO BE SHOT. ???

PLUM AND IAUN BOTH HAVE VOICED PFHATE TODAY, SO MUCH THAT HE WILL MOST LIKELY BE THE LYNCH D'JOUR (SADLY).

AND WHY DO I KEEP GETTING VAGUE TOWN FEELINGS FROM PF'S POSTS?

MITH/IAUN LONGSHOT?

[Fate]

NO NO SLEEP.

MITH IS STILL AROUND CAUSE THE VIG (ME) NEEDED TO BE SHOT. ???

PLUM AND IAUN BOTH HAVE VOICED PFHATE TODAY, SO MUCH THAT HE WILL MOST LIKELY BE THE LYNCH D'JOUR (SADLY).

AND WHY DO I KEEP GETTING VAGUE TOWN FEELINGS FROM PF'S POSTS?

MITH/IAUN LONGSHOT?

[Fate]

FOR NO REASON, AT ALL, WHATSOEVER, WILL POKERFACE BE PUT AT L-1 WHILE SPYREX'S VOTE IS STILL ON MITH. IS THIS CLEAR LADIES?

My head's all fucked up. Iamscum is becoming more possible but it would require super solid play by that slot. Mith/Iaun stonewalling until they get their PF lynch makes perfect sense.

PokerFace your posts GIVE ME SUCH A GODDAMN HEADACHE.

Poker:

Mith/Iaun scum. Tell me waht you think NOW.

[Fate]

Iam IS trying to get people to vote you, he stated in his most recent post, after my whole WALL OF TEXT detailing mithscum "I need to finish ISOs, but I want Pokerface dead" He just lost all his townpoints with that one post.

You are very easy to get a lynch on PokerFace. As it is Plum thinks it is you/SpyreX, and her vote+Mith/SpyreX's would mean gg.

SpyreX has promised me he wouldn't vote you today and he better not just be holding on until a "haha jk QHammer time."

Frrom my POV I have a solid town read on SpyreX, combined with a newly forming town read on you, which means Mith/Iam.

This team makes sense given their play today with neither of them having ANY INTEREST whatsoever getting the other lynched.

Its the only combo that makes sense unless SpyreX is just voting mith knowing mith won't be lynched and is holding out for a HEROPokerlynch.

So what am I missing?

Why can't Iaun's post in reference to mith be one of "Well mith would never vote a vig as a Vanilla Townie, so mith must be vig" as I way to reinforce a mith fakeclaim route? Or even just to distance from mith by setting up being able to call mithscum? (mith voted and he WASNT the real vig? Mith is scum, PF dies first, etc.)

[Fate]

Pokerface is hoping to push a mislynch through on you by putting you at L-1?

You realize he has just ruled Iam/Plum, SpyreX/Iam, SpyreX/Plum as impossible scumteams, and considerably narrowed his options.

[Fate]

Day 3, I saw the slip, but at this point it wasn't clear whether we had one Vig or two, so I waited for more information. (To think I caught something like that as scum is to give me too much credit. If I had known Herodotus was the scumkill by virtue of being part of the scumteam, I don't think VV's comment about Herodotus being killed would have even registered as something odd.)

"Oh *blush blush* I'm not that much of mastermind."

YOU SAID IT YOURSELF "zomg mithscum still alive?" CAUGHT YOUR EYE, THEN YOU READ THE REST OF POST, THEN YOU WENT "???HMMM ONLY ME(SCUM)+VIG SHOULD KNOW THE HEROD KILL WAS SCUM. DING DING DING VIG FOUND??!?"

And when he WASNT the vig found,

"DING DING DING, SCUM KNOWLEDGE?"

You're right, the mith/Iaun theory is pretty far-fetched. SO WHO IZ YOU SCUM WITH MITH?

HINT: IT DOESNT MATTER. 3 PEOPLE, 3 SHOTS, TOWN WIN.

[Fate]

"Your town read on SpyreX is dead wrong." Oh ok thanks.

"How'd you get this so badly wrong?" SHOW ME. DONT APPEAL TO ME. KTHX

DieMithscumDie.


Plum let's discuss something and then hammer this chump.

[Fate]

I knew it was just sarcasm that was just TEST #73 to see if you'd "roll with my misread" or correct me. PLUS I SAID THAT NOT PF WUT?

IM JUST TRYING TO HAVE PLUM SEE WHAT I SEE.

SPYREX WHY WOULD YOU DAYTALK WITH POKERFACE AND TELL HIM TO JOIN YOU ON A MISLYNCH WAGON?

But something irks me

[Fate]

You realize he has just ruled Iam/Plum, SpyreX/Iam, SpyreX/Plum as impossible scumteams, and considerably narrowed his options.

You're right about this I don't understand.

2MINS ON THE CLOCK ELABORATE. GO.

[Fate]

THE CLOCK IS TICKING.

YOUR SLIP IS FALLING FASTER AND FASTER DEM FLOORS ARE SLIPPERY

[Fate]

*cackles madly*

WE WIN SPYREX! THE FOOLS FELL FOR MY ANTI CRUMB CLAIM.

MWHAHAHAHA

[Fate]

Oh Ill shoot your buddy tonight mith. I OWE TOWN.

SpyreX if you don't post reactions today before the lynch scene you get a bullet.

Spy wtf? You........ YOU?

[Fate]

Plum claiming vt as PR nevver crossed my mind, hell. She really fooled me though.

I had SpyreX until he manipulated me like always.

So yeah, Plum likely would've won 3p so I'm not too regretful of speeding things up. Poker/mith could've done a lot more (emphais on POKER)

Gg

[Fate]

Mega apology post in-coming, I lost this game for town.

[Fate]

I'm arrogant player, but when I fuck up I fuck up BAD and town lost because of it this game.

Where I went wrong:

I claimed Vig. My WHOLE play before this point had centered around not outing my role, but I outed it.

Why I went wrong:

I INCORRECTLY thought we had to lynch the roleblocker on the last day. I knew SpyreX was the janitor, so I had to look for the "obvtown" buddy. I knew SpyreX+pokerface werent BOTH scum, that's for sure.

I thought it was mith. 80% of my case on mithscum involved me claiming vig, so I went for it. Had I realized that lynching scum the last day (not the RB specifically) would have allowed me to shoot that night we would have won.

How it was wrong:

Like mith said, we should have lynched SpyreX and THEN I shoto mith in the face.

This leaves us with (IAm is likely shot as vig suspect:_

PF/Fate/Plum 3p endgame.

I'd claim Vig, PF WOULDNT coutner claim me, Plum COULDNT counter-claim me, and they would cross-vote.

I'd wonder why PF didn't counter claim my horribly crumbed claim, and lynch Plum (most likely).

I'm sorry mith, I'm sorry fellow townies. This loss was my fault. However, I had a blast, hope you did too, and hope you still would enjoy playing with me in the future.

[Fate]

Also I fucked up when SpyreX made his last post and I said "2MINS TO RESPOND" it gave me real bad "SpyreX just slipped that mith is town" feelings, and I DIDNT ACT ON IT AND UNVOTE MITH.

I'm still too reckless with my vote in MyLo.

FFFFFFFffffffffffffffff


REMATCH ANYONE? I CANT WAIT A WHOLE YEAR

[Fate]

RhinoX is correct. If I had outed Iam going nowhere the afore-mentioned "ideal" endgame wouldn't have happened.

mith's style didn't match up with what I'd expect, so "him trying very hard" didn't look that way to me. He wasn't flailing, he wasn't being condescending or rude to me with my case. It smelled too much of "well im caught scum so I'll just say its confirmation bias and there's not much I can do against your points Fate."

Whereas SpyreX acted more in what I had in mind of a townie missuspected.

SO NEXT TIME.

SPYREX. IF I CALL YOU SCUM FOR ANY REASON IN ANY GAME I'M NOT BACKING DOWN.

NO MATTER WHAT.

PE: Ellie-That "vig should claim" is what did it for me. It was just too anti-town on so many levels. If they got run up to L-1? Ok THEN they claim, obviously. But advocating for them to claim out of the blue to do what? Just narrow down mislynches?

FFFFFFFFFFFFFF

If I had shot the VT claim the night you died Ellie, hooooooooh boi. Things woulda been different.

@Whoever: Plum was ruled as obvtown by CTD (who ended up dead), and by no one THINKING for a moment that VT was the CLAIM to make by a roleblocker scum (instead of tracker to draw CC).

[Fate]

Well when town has SECRET READZ scum usually get all ancy (when they are considered obvtown). I was fishing for reactions from you AND mith, but didn't get what I was looking for. Or I don't look closely enough, you're "FATE GIVE US THE GREEN LIGHT" seemed pretty ancy retroactively. Since I was looking for mith's reactions I over-looked it.

@mith: Yeah if I had vigged PokerFace, but I would have only vigged PokerFace if I thought I was going to die at night and that he would've been a liability in LyLo.

Call me insane, but I had more of a town read on PokerFace than you. I have no idea why, as DGB aptly put it in the scum qt "I predict a clash of styles between mith and Fate" your play was extremely cautious this game and I couldn't work out in my head how you saw VV's slip OR the PR direction as town.

[Fate]

"
Fate - who would have vigged had we lynched ooba instead of me?"

This one's really hard. I mean,

I

certainly thought you were town, but everyone else was going on and on about VV+OOBA BOTH SCUM theory, so that might have been too much of a distraction that I would have shot you REGARDLESS.

If not you, it was probably going to be mith as I knew I had no chance of getting him lynched during the day if he were scum. (The fact that has lynch today was going so easy should have clued me in, but alas)

PE: SPYREX

YOU.

YOUUUUUUUUUUU

[Fate]

-_-


..............yes............

[Fate]

Any reason you decided to be incredible obvscum ooba?

@mith: yeah he does. But the benefits of when we're both town far outweigh those rare games one of us is scum anyway. (AND IF SPYREX WOULD GIVE ME THE FUCKING COURTESY TO SHOOT ME NEXT TIME AND NOT USE ME ITD BE EVEN BETTER)

[Fate]

Who me? Scum?

That was a faulty set-up remember?

I'm never scum and terrible when I am <_<

[Fate]

I TRIED TO GET ECTO LYNCHED.

YOU SAW HOW MUCH I TRIED.

I EVEN SLOWROLLED WHEN YOU WERE AT L-1.

[Fate]

YOU USING ME LIKE A TOY TWICE WHEREAS I MERCY KILLED YOU. BETTER TO BE SHOT FROM THE BACK THEN LEAD FROM THE FRONT OFF A CLIFF.

TWICE

[Fate]

TROLL IM NOT READING YOUR WALL AND I KNOW WE WOULDN'T HAVE LYNCHED YOU AHD YOU BEEN IN ADUMBRO'S FAULT.

SO I'LL JUST ASSUME YOU'RE APOLOGIZING

[Fate]

I stopped reading after KMD claimed so I have no comment beyond

sigh

, bad scum play made valid by horrific town play

"Hai my name is Elmo and I vigged Amished over Plumsisters/Ooba/VV, thus causing Kmd to out his track result on me"

[Fate]

To be completely honest, part of the reason I moved the lynch to from HH to you was not due to Adumbro's weak play but the Troll vs. Papa Zito that had occured MUCH earlier.

Call it another playstyle difference, but I was much more in tune with Papa Zito's play D1, and I trusted his scum read on you. And then your reaction was to turn around and say "No you must be scum Papa Zito! Troll no be scum!" which read of the classic "meta/hydra partner friend" turning on each other because they were of different alignments. (Aka the only way you could defend yourself from Papa Zito's attacks were to invalidate them and attach a scummy motive from them)

[Fate]

I suppose it should be noted that I didn't really ever read D0, or that I was reading it for awhile but then my eyes glazed over and all I remembered from it for the rest of the game was: "DGB claimed Hider, Janitor got hammered, DGB admitted not Hider"

I'll take a guess at what he was doing Day0: Shouting at everyone to hurry up, advocating no claims of any kind, and trying to rush things along with craplogic and little apparent reasoning?

Sounds like the TownZito I know >_>

[Fate]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SPYREX

HEHEHAhHahah. YOU WANT ME TO HELP YOU FIGURE THHIS OUT WELL HERE YA GO.

NOT SO FAST. WHICH ONE OF YOUR BUDDIES WAS ABOUT TO QUICKHAMMER MITH? CAUSE IT AIN'T POKER.

PLUS WE CAN LYNCH YOU TODAY SINCE THE BLOCKER CAN'T BLOCK KILL. SHOULDA READ THAT BEFORE I CLAIMED WHOOPS.

[Fate]

HACKER STFU AND GO BACK TO THE DEAD QT. IF ONLY YOU HANDT BEEN SO INSANE I COULDA SAVED YOU.

ITS OK THOUGH, I SHOT OOBA AND NOW IM LEADIN TOWN TO VICTORY!

BAWWWWWWWHAHAAHHAHAA

[Fate]

BUT THAT SHOOTS MY MITH/SPY THEORY TO HE--... WAIT A SECOND>

THAT WOULD MEAN.

YOU GENIUNELY ARE TOWN. AND THAT YOU REALLY

WOULDNT

PUT TWO VIGS IN A GAME.

AND IF PLUM IS SCUM SHES>...

THE FUCKING ROLEBLOCKER! HOLY HELL!

Thats why she claimed vanilla! And her claiming vanilla then DGB fakeclaiming tracker is the only reason we cleared her!!! She was scummy as hell before then!

YOU'RE BRILLIANT MITH!

THEN AGAIN YOU MAY STILL BE A MASTERMIND SO I'LL VIG YOU TONIGHT AND WATCH HOPELESSLY AS POKER FIGHTS OFF A MISLYNCH TOMORROW.

KEKEKEKEK