Mini 1073: Autumn Mafia - Game Over!
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...man, I have some awful timing. That was a hammer. This V/LA won't affect this game at all. Let me get some thoughts together.
If Xine's town as she claims, well, we just got boned. Doubtful, though.
If not:
I agree with Llamarble here that the best option for the second MyLo is to No Lynch, but that is one situation where I definitely would advocate for getting some discussion done before ending the day. I'm not in a good position right now to examine Llamarble's points more closely... I hope it's not a huge problem if I say I'll have in-depth stuff once my V/LA is over.
I lol'd at this line.Llamarble wrote:I guess the kissing is done more fiercely now and with tires.-
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Mod scene coming in a few hoursSki mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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The town grew tired of waiting, becoming more impatient by the minute. Things were getting tense, though the woman under suspicion didn't seem moved.
"She's a cold-hearted killer, that's why she's so calm!" one shouted.
"Let's get rid of her, make more progress. Maybe we can finally put an end to this." another softly spoke.
Slowly, four of the remaining six townsfolk gathered around her, a hatred in their eyes unlike any other. They wanted their town clean, and they wanted it to happen now.
A swift blow to the side of the head knocked her unconscious, while they fashioned up a new noose. They tied it up next to the body they hung yesterday, where they had triumphed over one scumbag, preparing to celebrate again.
Just before the chair was kicked out, one of the men looked at her, glaring.
"I hope they show no mercy on your soul," he said.
Swiftly, the ground was pulled out from underneath her feet. Unlike yesterday, there was no struggle, just a quick snap as the rope pulled taut and her body fell limp.
Another woman cautiously stepped up to the body, and began rummaging through her pockets. All she found was a wallet and a shopping list. Just another simple citizen, caught in the madness that went on.
"W-w-what does this mean? What do we-"
A gunshot rang out, cutting her off midsentence, one man's body falling to the ground, an unloaded pistol clattering out of his pocket. Another shot rang out, and another man fell to the dirt, empty pockets and all.
The woman's horror turned to glee as she and the gunman turned on the last standing citizen.
"How... how could you?" he stammered.
"Simple. Like this!" she shouted as she lunged at him with a sharpened shard of glass.
She stabbed him once, piercing his aorta and stood over him as he struggled.
She turned to her partner, and smiled sickly.
"We're done here. It's time to move on."
Xine, Vanilla Townie, Lynched Day 3
Llamarble, 1-Shot Town Vigilante, Endgamed
ICEninja, Vanilla Townie, Endgamed
Netopalis, Vanilla Townie, Endgamed
The mafia team ofwin!Equinox,Me=WeirdandChesskid3
Final Day 3 VotecountICEninja (0)-
Llamarble (0)-
Me=Weird (0)-
Netopalis (0)-
Equinox (0)-
Xine (4)- ICEninja, Equinox, Me=Weird, Llamarble
Not Voting (2)- Netopalis, XineSki mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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Setup & Night Actions
Setup:
The Mafia
2 Mafia Goons - Oso & Me=Weird
1 Mafia Godfather (Investigation Immune) - Equinox (replacing Wingless)
The Town
6 Vanilla Townies - Cruelty, ICEninja, Netlava, PerArdua, Shattered Viewpoint, Xine
1 Cop (Sane) - FeRnAnDo
1 Jailkeeper - Zinive
1 1-shot Vigilante - Llamarble
Role PMs:
Spoiler: Contained
Night Actions
Night 1
ZinivejailsICEninja
LlamarbleshootsShattered Viewpoint
Me=WeirdkillsZinive
Night 2
Me=WeirdkillsAntiheroSki mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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Iceninja wrote:It is actually fortuitous in my eyes that Anti was the one who died.
I have never seen so much hate for a dead townie. And it's not even like I fake claimed or did anything crazy, either.Llamarble wrote:I too am happy to see Antihero gone.
May we see the QT, please?
Mod ninja about the QT.
Agar, what do you think I did wrong?The distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.-
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Mod Notes
- Town was severely hurt when both PRs were essentially outted on D1. While I don't think the setup design relied on PRs for town success, the two biggest that I included were killed before they could be used to any benefit and
- I can't honestly say if Fernando ever actually picked up his prod prior to his lynch, unfortunately, because I BCCed him and Shattered Viewpoint on that.
- I told all of my reviewers I was using BaM. For some reason, to me that meant I had posted in the queue that I was using BaM. I apologize for not giving the heads up.
- The town in itself was very apathetic, which was it's downfall after D1. By D3, it seemed as if interest had completely died off, which is usually the opposite of what I see with short deadlines.
- I'm surprised that the town lynched on D2. It's been discussed in the past, especially when it brings D3 to MYLO/LYLO, to actually no lynch and just suffer the modkill on that day.
- Me=Weird and Equinox both played really well. I was seriously impressed by their play here, avoiding any real suspicion on them at all.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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I'll let Me=Weird/Equinox/Chesskid decide if they want the QT link posted.
As for what you did wrong, I don't think anything, really. You replaced into a slot that hadn't been clearly pro-town, and I think people had just gained a suspicion of you. When a suspicion dies, it's often a relief.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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Shouldn't me calling Oso out day 2 have pretty much cleared me?AGar wrote:As for what you did wrong, I don't think anything, really. You replaced into a slot that hadn't been clearly pro-town, and I think people had just gained a suspicion of you. When a suspicion dies, it's often a relief.
Did you all seriously think that was a bus? If so, you need to learn how bussing works. The scum don't kill off two major power roles and go into MYLO going "OMG GAIZ, WERE GETTING PWNED, WE NEED TO BUUUSSSSSSS!"The distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.-
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Quick comments:
- I'm fine with posting the QuickTopic if Me=Weird and Oso are okay with it; chesskid3 didn't post in there.
- Netopalis, since you're the one who caught me in the end: Do you have any words on how I can improve? (Everyone else, you're welcome to answer this as well.)
- Shattered Viewpoint, was your accusation of procrastination a general scum tell or an Equinox-specific scum tell?
- I'm interested in hearing the town's side regarding this particular MyLo we were in. Would you have lynched, and would you have called for a mass-claim as I did?
The single most convincing thing that would back up a vanilla townie claim is scum hunting. You spent almost all of your time defending on Day 3, which hurt your chances of surviving; your case on Day 2 was torn apart when you missed answering my and Antihero's concerns about your vote analysis. You also tended toward posting IoA-type posts on Day 1, which made it look like you weren't contributing. If you can't post analysis, be upfront and say you can't.Xine wrote:I really have nothing to say that could be convincing, other then to repeat my claim. I would like to see the game not end today, so I would hope to not be lynched.-
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Yes!! Good job, Equinox.
Antihero, I don't think it was anything you did. I think it was more that cruelty was bad. And no, calling Oso scum doesn't clear you. I mean, look how me and Equinox bussed him.
Xine, you can't just claim VT and expect to be cleared. You have to actually do town things. lol at Ythill thinking she's scum too.
I'm fine with the QT being posted, but I always seem to do it so Equinox can.Show"Me=Weird did the best "I'm a power role but I'm not going to get targeted" play I think I've ever seen." - Amished
Mini 1267, a 9p Mini Normal is Day 1, page 4.
Cheese Mafia: a 25p(?) large theme about a big corporation buying up all the little individual cheese sellers.
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Good job Equinox and Me=Weird.
Scum QT
I was keeping my eye on the game as far as I was able. Mildly surprised that it ended today but Equinox and Me=Weird really did the right thing I think, killing Antihero. I figured that Me=Weird was pretty good as the vote focus on ICEninja was on my #2 sheep vote rather than his initial vote. I think he got some backhand town points there when me/chesskid flipped scum. When I replaced out though, I gave Equinox about a 60/40 chance of being lynched today with the odds in her favor.
I'll try and catch up the parts I missed as there are some comments I'd like to make about the game before I left but most of my spare time at the moment is in the middle of the night and it's really easy to choose sleep over making/reading posts.
Disclaimer: Had I known for sure I was the lynch for day 2, I'd not have replaced out. I was honestly surprised that chesskid was lynched. I didn't figure that slot was in THAT bad of shape. It was in trouble for sure but not unrecoverable in my opinion.My Uncle always use'ta say, 'You can't get no blood from a turnip.' .... He'd say the same thing about gettin' it from a stone, too.
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lol, you made the right choice. You were my top suspect for bussing when Oso flipped.Equinox wrote:...I think we need to get rid of Antihero. His scumdar is working at max potential for this game, and I can't predict his movements.
But, in fairness, I don't think I would have caught M=W unless he said something really stupid.The distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.-
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It was a pretty extreme bus, imo. I think with both scum determined to bus slot was doomed, if not maybe not.
But a misslynch would have ended it on D2 with the modkill, soPapa Zito - "Your signature has been blanked...we remove signatures at a users request if said signature references them, or if it quotes from a thread in the Speakeasy, which is not allowed without permission of the poster"-
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Also, Oso, I'd like you to weigh in on posting your claim that you had drafted up. I didn't send it to CK3, only because I wasn't sure what the ideas surrounding that were. Not sure if other mods allow it/whatnot.
My question to the scumteam - why not kill ICEninja? I dunno, I felt he was more of a threat than even Zinive as the JK, but that was just me.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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Well town's loss was largely my fault. The fact that I pegged Oso as scum was more luck than anything else, honesty. I never at one point in this game after day 1 went back and read a single post or looked at a single player in ISO, something I usually do in games quite a few times every day. But whatever. Fernando and PerArdua we're scum's best players in this game, hands down without any doubt.
It was simply because in gut reads (I pretty much didn't use any logic in anything, and my gut reads usually suck which is why I don't use them in games I care about) we're wrong. I thought one scum HAD to be between you and Xine, but I knew that one of you had to be town. With you dead, I felt much safer in a Xine lynch.Anti wrote: I have never seen so much hate for a dead townie. And it's not even like I fake claimed or did anything crazy, either.
If Xine was scum I was gonna lynch M=W on day 4, but Equinox being scum blindsided me pretty hard. Granted I didn't really read much and I might have picked up on it another time, but you played excellently. M=W was fairly solid too. I claimed to have a town read on M=W because I wanted scum to night kill him just in case I was wrong, to hedge my bets. Probably the only clever thing I did, and it didn't matter anyway.
Xine, if you didn't want to be lynched, you should have told us who else was scum and why. You just kinda sat there and said "oh my only scum suspicion just claimed PR and is almost guaranteed town, so now I don't have any suspicion. Oh well." It didn't work out for you, if you noticed. That post was the one where I was prety much dead set on lynching you. Before that I could have been convinced to change my vote.
Man wouldn't that have been awesome. I would have been jailed, which would have confirmed me as town after Llama claimed and said he killed Shattered, AND we would have had an extra lynch.Agar wrote: My question to the scumteam - why not kill ICEninja? I dunno, I felt he was more of a threat than even Zinive as the JK, but that was just me.
Anyways, this wasn't a game I particularly enjoyed, but not for lack of fun people to play with. It's always a pleasure to play with Equinox, and I was impressed with how hard chess fought for his slot. Llama, while tough to read his posts, was a great asset to the town, and scum played wonderfully. Anti was pretty good too, but was hurt by his predecessor, which is really unfortunate.
Oh well. Not all games go as you want them.Town: 14 wins, 14 losses
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Saw this real quick. My short answer. Risk management. ICEninja was, for me, fairly easy to read and, when compared to Llamarble, easier to predict. I've always had a policy, as scum, to kill off claimed PRs as quickly as possible. I also laid out somewhat, in the scum QT, how I think killing a claimed PR can help find other PRs. Although you do run the risk of losing one of your own when you do that.AGar wrote:..
My question to the scumteam - why not kill ICEninja? I dunno, I felt he was more of a threat than even Zinive as the JK, but that was just me.
I'll post the claim I had cobbled together later on today, AGar. I think it could have saved the slot but it was iffy. Despite what I said in my last post, my sheeping of Me=Weird was pretty damaging for the slot. The main point of the claim was not to keep it from getting lynched but rather to get a mis-lynch on either ICEninja or Antihero. Without the mod-kill of Per, the slot would have definitely been swinging Day 3 even had I pulled it off.My Uncle always use'ta say, 'You can't get no blood from a turnip.' .... He'd say the same thing about gettin' it from a stone, too.
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@AGar
Basically, I was going to claim Gunsmith with a positive on Antihero. But I wasn't going to initially push for his lynch out of hand. That was the backpedal from 2 scum to 1 scum.
The whole premise was constructed around players who had too much information (or that is how I was going to sell it anyway). ICEninja's was scummy knowledge, Antihero's was town knowledge. Despite what folks may say about my sheep vote of M=W, M=W hit it right on the head (even though he was scum) when ICEninja went straight to Vigilante past all other possibilities. The test I used was this: Had I been town in this game, ICEninja would have gotten my vote simply based on the strength of his opening post day 2 and the "phony" (I know, as scum, it wasn't phony but would have belived it was had I been town) demoralization he was showing. It ranks right up there, in my opinion, with expressing (over)disappointment over a PR NK or congratulating the Doc on a successful save. The one side effect that it did have was that it confirmed Netlava/Netoplis as town (remember, I'm pulling myself out of scum's head and going back into town for this). No way his(Netlava's) reaction was faked and it hung a "TOWNIE" sign on that slot permanently.
So, ICEninja is scum. Antihero is town. Why? My fake investigation and he has a gun. He's the Vig (I know he isn't now, but I had a decent feeling he might have been despite being a replacement. We did have one PR flake so for this game, having a second Town PR replaced didn't seem a stretch). Hence the back off from two scum on a platter to one. I don't want to out the Vig. Timing would have been fairly critical because in order to sell this (at least in my opinion) my claim had to be VERY reluctant. I had to not only wait for L-1 but also get a person who said they were willing to drop the hammer. Then I could 'out' myself as the Gunsmith and Anti as the Vig and have a decent chance (I think) of being belived as the gunsmith. Even though Llama turned out to be the Vig, had Anti or Llama either one said my deductions were wrong, I think I could sold the 'not wanting to out the vig' thinking long enough to get the positive gun on Antihero explored. Perhaps to lynch. Had he been the Vig, Anti would have been in a minor problem of thinking me scum but having to decide if I figured out he was the Vig from my Night Result and then looking at the thread OR constructing a fake-claim by first figuring out his role from the thread.
From a town standpoint, again in my opinion, the ONLY reason not to go after ICEninja after his first Day 2 post is because you are looking for a partner (yes partner) bussing a mate that just made a big mistake, especially if you are the Vig and plan on shooting the obvscum with too much knowledge tonight.
That was the bare bones of it anyway. I think I could have made it work but like any lie, it had a decent chance of not doing what I wanted. But I would have enjoyed trying it.
The nice thing about it, again in my opinion, if I was believed, then either ICEninja or Antihero were getting lynched instead of me. ICEninja, if Antihero was the Vig. Antihero, if he wasn't. The only roadblock was selling my fake claim just long enough to get to the end of the day. Had Paruda not been on the mod-kill block, I would still have been swinging after an Antihero flip. ICEninja, not so much. Had I tagged Anti correctly as the Vig, I could have gave a false negative on Netopolis , or better yet, claim being blocked (to show town some of the scum power we didn't have) and stood a poor to fair (again, depending on how the day ended) chance of having it belived for one more day even with a Town ICEninja flip.
(Taking a break today so I'll be posting again later, I have some things I want to say and don't want to be overly harsh doing so but I want to say them.)My Uncle always use'ta say, 'You can't get no blood from a turnip.' .... He'd say the same thing about gettin' it from a stone, too.
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First off.
Thanks AGar, for taking the time to setup and run the game. I was having fun playing in it and the BaM ruleset wasn't detracting from it at all. Not a slam on you, AGar, but I doubt I will be playing in a BaM ruleset again. You did do a good job of getting replacements despite the ruleset though so you'd probably be the only Mod whose BaM game I would consider playing in again. Rules are rules but I am gratified that you voluntarily went outside the rigid interpretation of them where it was possible for you to do so.
Me=Wierd and Equinox. I'd team up with either of you again and hope that feeling is returned. As to my replacing out, I could have done that better. Personal considerations aside, when I felt the need to pretty much cut all ties to MafiaScum (and other online commitments I had) in order to concentrate on thing in other areas, this is one I should have held on to. The Mod commitment I had wasn't a big deal (I was still pretty far down the queue) and the other was a Large Theme in Day 1 so wasn't a big deal there either. But in my excitement over some good news in my personal life, work ramping for the holidays and the holidays themselves, I think I cut back too severely and this game was one I shouldn't have bushed out on. I could have made time for this. You guys (and AGar and the rest of the players) have my apologies.
To the rest of the players, I had fun playing with you. Although when I come back to playing, I suspect it will take a lot of convincing towards Xine that I'm not scum should we be in a game together again. I've played 2 consecutive games with her and been scum in both of them.
That being said, I do look forward to playing with each and every one of you again at some pointMy Uncle always use'ta say, 'You can't get no blood from a turnip.' .... He'd say the same thing about gettin' it from a stone, too.
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@Antihero: My being happy about your death wasn't because I thought you were bad but more because I expected to lose one of my town reads. After you died I thought the next deaths would be Ice and Equinox, leaving me in position to make my claim with 3 players left. That would turn a 1/4 chance for town (two townies have to make a 50/50 guess correctly) into a 1/2 chance, since after the scum either CCed or didn't one town player would know who the scum was. The massclaim negated that plan, which was my reason for disliking it. Eventually I felt like I would have to give my role away to prevent a massclaim anyway, accomplishing nothing, so I gave in.
Reading the scum QT was interesting and gave me a bit more of an idea what kind of strategies scum are using.
How does one play one shot vig well?
Should the shot actually be saved for later on or used early?
Were there any other aspects of my play I should improve on?
I'll probably stay away from early scumlists and giving away town reads in the future and write them down somewhere.
I'm also going to try to be very clear and concise with my logic.
I plan to play in another mini normal right away, so maybe I'll see some of you there.
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