don_johnson wrote:imo, one of the biggest challenges facing a scum player is "fitting in" during the rvs. i think scum may tend to "overcompensate for randomness" in their votes. i.e. they have to try a little harder than everyone else to make their votes look fun and random. not only was the smiley use excessive here, but it was also his
second
vote in the rvs. also, if you'll notice, the joke doesn't even fit right, as consig clearly confirmed in the post lewarcher is responding to. so yeah, its a serious vote. is it a "super serious not gonna ever change my vote no matter what happens" vote? i'll let you figure that one out.
This is actually decent analysis. And lewarcher's sarcastic response to the initial vote is also scummy.
It continues...
Lewarcher tries to play it down, tries to play it casual:
lewarcher82 wrote:naaaa, don't care much about the pressure, the smilies stuff is just a tipical move to end the rvs, which is very much pro-town. I have seen worse than this, in some other games. At a given point you just need to start provoking one player using a "non-random" argument, no matter how silly. Smilies are just this LoL...
but mallowgeno jumped on it, so from my pov it is totally right to keep voting him.
Gonzooo points out something:
Gonzoooo wrote:Wait, so it's ok for dj to make a non-random vote to get out of the RVS, but mallow should not come and support that vote to further get us out of the RVS? How is that scummy? Seems to me like a wagon with only one person on it isn't much of a wagon. Explain.
Lewarcher responds by backtracking:
lewarcher82 wrote:you are correct, dj's vote is not right. It is too silly. I was over-generous in my previous post. But I like keeping my vote on mallow better. DJ just gives me the "I'm so smart I see scumtells that other don't heh heh heh" vibe.
I seriously think we've caught scum already.
lewarcher82 wrote:speaking of lurkers, I am not moving my vote until mallow posts some content.
This is also a classic scum tell, namely constantly justifying one's vote remaining on a player. It is for a really weak reason here as well (with a bit of mudslinging thrown in for good measure).
lewarcher82 wrote:mallowgeno wrote:The only reason I voted lewarcher was to humor Don.
unvote
I hate the rvs.
huh, I honestly didn't see that coming...
And then after he gets an explanation that the vote wasn't serious he doesn't unvote... Why?
lewarcher82 wrote:@mallowgeno: I did not see that coming, because, even though I am aware that there was no real big case built on the smilies-stuff, I did not read any evidence of humor in your vote. Nor did the others, as far as I see. I would have preferred a post with you insisting on my alleged attempt at overstressing randomness. The fact that you retract this way definitely bothers me.
so my vote stays where it is, for now.
Oh that's why. Another weak reason to keep his vote where it is.
But didn't you say you didn't like his vote initially because you believed he jumped on you supporting a silly argument?
lewarcher82 wrote:naaaa, don't care much about the pressure, the smilies stuff is just a tipical move to end the rvs, which is very much pro-town. I have seen worse than this, in some other games. At a given point you just need to start provoking one player using a "non-random" argument, no matter how silly. Smilies are just this LoL...
but mallowgeno jumped on it, so from my pov it is totally right to keep voting him.
...yeah, you did. I guess mallow would have been dammed in your eyes no matter what he said, hey?
(btw that's 2 examples of back tracking now).
Lewarcher then jumps on the consigliere wagon. Why?
lewarcher82 wrote:Consigliere only posted noise and did little more than apologise in all his posts. He states he is new, he states he does not know how to handle nvs, and so on... the mistake discussed here is just a little mistake, not at all scummy, but it does not show he is town, and the rest of his activity is disturbing me.
Yeah, but why is he scum? How does his behavior help him if he is scum.
Oh wait, it doesn't at all!
In his next post he flings mud at gonzo for defending consigliere and asks for "more votes on consigliere".
umm, no.
(gonzo is, like, the only only one making sense by the way)
werewolf555 wrote:Perhaps we should lynch Consig, and move from there on to (if he is scum) his most obvious scumbuddies should be lynched the following day.
Vote: Consigilare
Ok so we've found one of lewarcher's scum buddies. Moving on.
lewarcher82 wrote:I have the feeling that gonzoooo is attacking a lot of players at the same time with rather weak arguments.
Unvote; Vote: Gonzoooo
First of all hypocrisy.
Second of all this is another vote that is not accompanied with an explanation of why he feels this behaviour is scummy, or would help the scum. You know why he isn't thinking about that sort of stuff?
Because he is scum
!
Scum only need to make something that sounds reasonable enough to accompany their vote, something lewarcher has done time and time again.
tl;dr lewarcher is scum, werewolf is his scum-partner.
vote: lewarcher