Mafia 121 -- Picking Simplicity Game Over

[Nachomamma8]

eld, LMP, AGar, comment on the UK case please.

[Haylen]

Substancial post on monday.

[LimMePls]

Nacho, your 512 is really good. I kinda wanted to wait and see how UK responded to it, but the whole thing is pretty awesome.

[RedCoyote]

I seem to remember everyone throwing a fit when jack claimed cop/doc, and that LMP got bandwagoned for even half-heartedly defending it. But that thread has been mostly dropped today, suggesting it was a lot of crocodile tears.

This is the only thing worth reading from the previous page. I agree with it 100%. The only person you called out was Glork though, Lowell. Was there anyone else you think should be singled out?

I just don't really follow Nacho's case, and this is coming from someone who doesn't care for UK so far this game. I don't get the CJMiller meta argument, and I don't get the how the Lowell thing is bad (she's just wrong about it).

[Xine]

There is a nice wagon on AGar, and the case seems to be because he does not like the way Haylen is playing, taking a 'she's scum, but if not she's playing so poorly she deserves to die' stance. I see that AGar is acting in a very arrogant fashion, and I do not claim to feel comfortable with his tone, but I do think he's correct that Haylen is uberscummy. she has spent this game making AtE excuses, stalling, and active lurking. when called out on it she complains and calls names, goes V/LA and continues to post (so V/LA to her is an excuse to active lurk?) she has promised a content post by the end of Monday, and if it is not posted on time, I will absolutely vote her for lying/stalling...again, early tues morning.
Back to AGar. I don't see him as scum for his attack on Haylen, or any other (?) reason.

Empking... Managed to lurk himself off everybody's radar in the last handful of pages, and the one person who was most adamant about pushing a case on him is conveniently (for him) dead. I don't see what UK and Glork saw when they declared him town, feel free to explain it to me, if you feel so inclined. I think he's scum. He spent most of day 1 pushing a really bad case, most of which was simply repeating the same bad point over and over again. (causing noise and distraction) and then quietly hopped on at the end of the snake wagon.
Nikanor, do you still think Emp is scum?

Intrigued by the UK case, working on taking a proper stance, but I feel myself being convinced she is scum, put me down as watching her.
Jack: do you think you directing my play will make me alter my behavior? are you just trying to set a scum-trap for me?
VOTE: Empking

[UncertainKitten]

Oh boy. A case on me.
A really
Really
Fucking stupid one.

I mean, dear God, I haven't read such tripe since...uh...actually, I don't read tripe often. But this takes the cake!

Let's disintigrate with, you know, actual fucking logic rather than stupid Nacholand.

Post 2: Lol no.

But this doesn't make ANY sense from a town protown perspective. Did you think this through at all?

Post 29: The reasoning is obvious to anyone with at least 10% of a functioning brain. If I need to explain THAT, I'm in the wrong game.
As for the meta qualifier, I'm notoriously lazy. Deal with it.

Post 49: This...doesn't even merit a response. I'll give one anyway, but this is pathetic, Nacho. Yes, I felt strongly about it. That OBVIOUSLY means that everyone else is town on the wagon, and scum don't take advantage of very strong, incorrect feelings. And I'm OBVIOUSLY a fool to be looking on the Snake wagon for scum when OBVIOUSLY there aren't any there. Yep, just lynch me now.

No, seriously, how is this even a fucking tell?

Post 50: Again, how is this a fucking tell? How does this at all help scum? What the fuck kind of drugs are you on? Where can I get some?

Post 51-53: Garbage. You don't even bother to explain why it's "shitty reasoning". You just think rhetoric will get you through this. You have another thing coming, dumbass.

So, yeah, shitty reasoning, Nacho.

This...is just a pile of fucktarded bullshit. You're acting dumb. Go do something constructive like learning to fucking read.

I apologize for my abrasive tone but I was pretty happy til I realized I had a pile of shit to read. The sad part is I *do* think Nacho is sincere, just posting a dumb case.

Lowell, however, remains insincere and scummy as hell. LMP is posting really stupidly. Nacho's post 512 was fucking garbage and you should feel bad.

@Xine: He (Empking), is posting with town intent. I really don't know how to explain it any better. He's trying. You aren't. Lowell isn't. Nacho is, but it might be better if he didn't.

All that said I'd like to know *why* various things are tells in Nacholand. So I can even further pulverize his silliness.

Also, Xine is scum and is trying to go with the wind.

[Sudo_Nym]

Just as a heads up, I'm way behind- my work schedule started kicking my ass, and I've barely been keeping up with the games I'm modding. I'm trying to catch up, but I owed you guys an apology.

[Sudo_Nym]

So I'm trying to go back at look at Jack, and I still don't like him. I know I'm whipping an undead horse at this point, but he just gets my gut. But I have to admit, I can't find anything about him actually scummy; and from an intellectual standpoint, he's probably town. But he still raises my hackles.

A little light, but I'm trying to get some content out there while I look at some other people.

[LimMePls]

530 was really underwhelming. I don't think you adequately defend yourself from a single one of his decent points. You accuse him of empty rhetoric, but your entire response amounts to "nuh uh, you're wrong and stupid!"

Unvote
Vote: UK

[UncertainKitten]

Then clearly you can't fucking read, LMP, and your votes from now on are meaningless. I refuted his points pretty damn well.

But, for the sake of NOT losing this game to people being fucking idiots, what points do you need clarified? They're pretty fucking obvious, but I'll *try* to dumb it down for someone of your comprehension level.

[Jack]

Why are nacho's points decent?

[mothrax]

Note my sig... Sorry guys... Don't have the time to contribute like I want to in this game.

[UncertainKitten]

Alright, I'm showered and in slightly higher spirits. I still think it's fairly clear if you think about my post for a minute rather than assuming that I'm going to explain every little point as if you don't have a brain, LMP.

If you still can't conclude anything from thinking about it, then please ask for clarifications.

Jack's latest post has a solid point. You're using vague words like decent and underwhelming without really explaining *why*. I don't like that.

[Nikanor]

Nikanor, do you still think Emp is scum?

Yes.
Not reading anything else right now, sorry.

[Nachomamma8]

The sad part is I *do* think Nacho is sincere, just posting a dumb case.

Why?

I don't get the CJMiller meta argument

Well, before CJM, UK was happily sitting on a bandwagon that she herself created, and what was garnering tons of support. Yet, she suddenly changes her vote to CJ without a meta qualifier, something that's horrendously easy to get. I also pointed out that she's also played with dumbCJtown in mal's massive mindfuck game...

I don't get the how the Lowell thing is bad (she's just wrong about it).

It's just one vote in a long line of opportunistic, weakly-reasoned votes.

[RedCoyote]

Thanks for that, Nacho. I understand where you're coming from now much better.

Also I second Nacho's question in the post above. The weirdest thing about UK's reaction is that she thinks Nacho is sincere. If Nacho is being sincere then at least these two points are clearly valid (I'm kind of flip flopping here, but I needed Nacho to explain it to me more clearly).

[Empking]

Unvote

Vote: UK

[Jack]

Come to think of it, I bet UK is the SK. The mention of malths game got me to look back at a few of her posts and I get a gut scum feel, she was pretty passionate about killing CJ in malth, and her play reminds me of poa.

[Nachomamma8]

Come to think of it, I bet UK is the SK. The mention of malths game got me to look back at a few of her posts and I get a gut scum feel, she was pretty passionate about killing CJ in malth, and her play reminds me of poa.

Do you retract your earlier statement about me being sincere, then?
Also, why aren't you voting then? Do you disagree with Nikanor's earlier reasoning about SKs?

[Jack]

Sure.

I don't know about UK. The CJ connection seems potentially weak.

What was nikanor's reasoning?

[UncertainKitten]

It reads like stupid town Nacho. I'm *used* to stupid town Nacho. He might be sincere, but his points are shitty. He doesn't realize his points are shitty, so I'm pointing out why they are. The use of rhetoric, for one, is dumb.

However, I find it highly interesting Nacho hasn't answered my questions. Why were those things tells, Nacho?

I try to forget Malth's Fuck You Reality game. I don't remember CJ well.

As for "opportunistic voting", again, you're telling me I'm opportunistic for voting people who look REALLY scummy. What's the difference between that and voting scum? Please, enlighten me? Because sometimes, the scum ARE that obvious. Too scummy for scum is a fallacy.

[Jack]

You have that kind of "It's annoying when people correctly vote me based on terrible arguments" attitude uk.

[UncertainKitten]

And what am I supposed to say against that? Just "no, I don't"? I mean, it's kinda improvable either way. Um...that's nice Jack? Go ahead and vote me if you think that?

[Nobody Special]

Mod Note:

Searching for a replacement for mothrax. If you know of anyone, please do have them PM me.

Votecount within the hour.

Unless Vi beats me to it.

[Vi]

Votecount 2.03

AGar - 5 - Nikanor, VasudeVa, UncertainKitten, Haylen, Lowell
UncertainKitten - 3 - Nachomamma8, LynchMePls, Empking
mothrax - 2 - RedCoyote, Jack
Haylen - 1 - AGar
LynchMePls - 1 - eldarad
Empking - 1 - Xine

Not Voting: Antihero, Glork, mothrax, Sudo_Nym

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline: November 23

Random notes:

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