Mini 1077 Lost: Season Two (Over)

[jasonT1981]

I will refrain from voting as I don't think I should vote.

[vezokpiraka]

What happened here guys?

Chesskid has a point. Why not self nominate? You know you are town. Only reason for you not to self nominate is for you not to draw attention.

That proves MoI is scum or third party.

[chesskid3]

What happened here guys?

Chesskid has a point. Why not self nominate? You know you are town. Only reason for you not to self nominate is for you not to draw attention.

QFT

[Enigma]

OK: Catch up from my last content post onwards!

Disclaimer: I'm a sarcastic poster. You can judge my measure of scumminess based on the rate of sarcasm in my posts, where heavy sarcasm usually means I find whatever scummy.

First question: 5 Normals, 4 themes.
Without Vig: 880 (N), 909* (N), 999 (N), 1006 (T), 1007 (N), 1032 (T), /in-vitational G6 (T)^
With Vig: 992 (N), 1039 (T)

* - Had a CPR Doc, which can pseudo-vig, but not actually choose kills.
^ - Abandoned.

So 2/9 of my personal experiences have had a vig, so my no-vig pool is actually higher.

Setup speculation is stupid and a complete waste of time. And it serves no purpose to town's agenda. Who cares if there is a vig or not? It's pointless and just distracting.

Certain role-based information absolutely needs to be made early Day 1. Miller claims and Dekes Census information being two examples. I’m not thrilled with Gandalf’s claim but I’ve already shown how we need to deal with it.

And you'ld be the kind of person who would take such claims as the truth hey? Aren't you the one who was criticizing pre-emptive claiming a few pages down the track? There was zero need for Gandalf to put himself in the position he is right now. And your attempt to try and skew that into a scum tell against me is duly noted.

Also, ITT we learn that Enigma lacks the ability to recognize subtle sarcasm on the Interwebz.

Now I can't read if you are being sarcastic or not, but I congratulate you for your use of irony here. This is relevant for the rest of your points against me later in your posts.

Way to attempt to present things disproportionately to their actual nature. Gandalf’s presentation of the statement aside there is no reason to go charging after Dekes at this juncture. If he plays scummy enough in the future to warrant consideration we will. No-one is saying BLINDLY trust said information.

You still haven’t given a compelling scum motivation for Dekes Census claim that would warrant your statement here.

Am I suggesting to go charging after Dekes? Or are you just really bad at reading sarcasm on the Interwebz? People are blindly trusting said information, so your point is irrelevant. Hell they are putting him on their pro-town list to get the Jason information. How are we going to see if he is scummy enough when he hasn't posted? Town have no reason to trust the Dekes claim, we can't even judge his play, scum will know whether it's true or not anyways. You suggesting that we ignore him, is a poor effort at trying to divert attention away from your scum buddy.

Can we see that Dekes is prodded? If he hasn't already? He hasn't posted for a week.

This jason voting thing is a complete waste of time and is just distracting town. The only thing it will serve is WIFOM mess for town to filter through when flips/results are given.

I find it fucking amazing that people have all put Dekes on their town list. He has posted nothing and if his claim information makes you honestly believe he is town over others who have posted much more in this game, then I wish you good luck for your mafia career.

You know what's more productive. Let's call out who we think Jason shouldn't give it to (IE: who we think is scummy):
Me first: MoI, Toon, Call.
If you don't want to break the pattern, take my vote as someone who is not on the list.

[gandalf5166]

Wow lol. We don't self-nominate because while I know I'm town, everyone else doesn't. The point of this is not just to get it sent to town, but also to get it sent to someone who EVERYONE in the game could reasonably agree is town.

[chesskid3]

Wow lol. We don't self-nominate because while I know I'm town, everyone else doesn't. The point of this is not just to get it sent to town, but also to get it sent to someone who EVERYONE in the game could reasonably agree is town.

The point of this is to get it sent to town.

[gandalf5166]

No, if it gets sent to me, and I'm town, then sure, I'll have received it, but who's to say I wasn't recruited? It doesn't prove anything.

[chesskid3]

In your case yes. In MoI and AGar's case, no.

[gandalf5166]

But there are some people who think they are scum, no? So the point of jason's action is for us to confirm jason. If jason sent it to MoI or AGar, those people wouldn't be satisfied that jason was town. They both know that, so they didn't self-nom because they knew that that wasn't the point.

[chesskid3]

If someone reports getting the PM tomorrow life is good. If that person later flips scum, jason may have to defend himself, but if ANYONE reports getting a PM, Jason is not tomorrow's lynch, and therefore town should be putting themselves on their lists

[xRECKONERx]

Prodding Toon Fighter.
Still looking for a Vren replacement.
Dekes has yet to pick up his prod. -_-

Can you guys find replacements for me?

[gandalf5166]

If someone reports getting the PM tomorrow life is good. If that person later flips scum, jason may have to defend himself, but if ANYONE reports getting a PM, Jason is not tomorrow's lynch, and therefore town should be putting themselves on their lists

Nope. If Call gets the PM, it'll mean less than nothing to me. Same with Enigma. Or Toon Fighter. If I don't think the person who received it is town, then it just means them and jason are buddies.

[chesskid3]

It doesn't mean you lynch Jason tomorrow. Wth?

[Callandor]

If someone reports getting the PM tomorrow life is good. If that person later flips scum, jason may have to defend himself, but if ANYONE reports getting a PM, Jason is not tomorrow's lynch, and therefore town should be putting themselves on their lists

Nope. If Call gets the PM, it'll mean less than nothing to me. Same with Enigma. Or Toon Fighter. If I don't think the person who received it is town, then it just means them and jason are buddies.

did you explain why you found me scummy yet. also this is retarded.


I'm content with jason picking, don't really care. If I had to pick 3 it'd be MOI/Agar/chess I guess. had a busy weekend expect more content when I'm less busy.

[xRECKONERx]

Stephoscope replaces Vren! Thanks Steph!

[Stephoscope]

Hi all! Give me a real-life day or so to catch up, please.

[vezokpiraka]

If Call gets the PM we don't trust Jason judgement but we still know someone got a PM.

[dramonic]

Self-nomming is a complete null tell.
The point is for Jason to send it to someone the town trusts most. Voting for oneself does not indicate who the town trust, it indicates you trust yourself (and the opposite would be stupid)

[Toon Fighter]

The MP should be sent to MoI, Enigma or AGar.

Sorry guys, I'll try to make a bigger post today but I can't right now

[jasonT1981]

OK i think I have an idea of who to send it too... however, this is taking away from the game and eating into a possible deadline.. we need to hunt scum

[gandalf5166]

Enigma

Yup, TF is scum.

[jasonT1981]

The MP should be sent to MoI, Enigma or AGar.

Sorry guys, I'll try to make a bigger post today but I can't right now

Wow really? given Enigma is one of the biggest scum suspects right now? how do you justify this?

[chesskid3]

lol yeah nice one TF.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Welcome Stephoscope

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You bitches all like living so much that I'm the only one so far who self-nominated.
Interesting.

Are you seriously trying to say that whatever Nightkills occur in the game are going to be driven mainly by the choice of who MIGHT (33% chance) possibly get a message from the Mod / Jason?

I also note the use of the word interesting … which is a classic way to suggest something is scummy when you know you can’t come out and directly say it.

What happened here guys?

Chesskid has a point. Why not self nominate? You know you are town. Only reason for you not to self nominate is for you not to draw attention.

1. Yet you making some sort of comment about self nomination kind of punches a hole in your theory that it would not draw attention to not self-nom.
2. Everyone who is Town knows they are Town. And the Mafia / suggested 3rd Party aren’t going to say ‘Derp, I’m not Town’. So suggesting that self-nominating is any sort of Town barometer is quite stupid.
3. All you and Chesskid have done is cut down the number of players you have to assert you have Town reads on by 1/3. What alignment do you suppose is more likely to want to minimize their stated Town reads so as to make their mislynching easier down the line?

And you'ld be the kind of person who would take such claims as the truth hey? Aren't you the one who was criticizing pre-emptive claiming a few pages down the track? There was zero need for Gandalf to put himself in the position he is right now. And your attempt to try and skew that into a scum tell against me is duly noted.

Other than fluffing up the length of your post what is you point about believing claims? Any Town player should take claims with a grain of salt and weigh the gravity of the player's other contributions. Your constant harping about the claims that have already happened isn't scum hunting, but simply post inflation.

Yes I was the one who criticized pre-emptive claiming. It’s stupid. There was pretty much zero need for Gandalf to do so. You can’t un-ring the bell. I’ve explained the best way to approach his claim. Are you arguing that my approach isn’t valid?

Lastly your ‘I note that you called me scummy’ is fantastic. You have played scummy. But attacking the accuser is classic scum tactics, right?

People are blindly trusting said information, so your point is irrelevant. Hell they are putting him on their pro-town list to get the Jason information. How are we going to see if he is scummy enough when he hasn't posted? Town have no reason to trust the Dekes claim, we can't even judge his play, scum will know whether it's true or not anyways. You suggesting that we ignore him, is a poor effort at trying to divert attention away from your scum buddy.

Oh, I’m trying to direct attention away from Dekes, my buddy lurker? Funny.

For the most part you seem more interesting in undermining the general Town read everyone has on Dekes than actually scum-hunting? Why not bring pressure towards Toon Fighter, who has 9 posts to Dekes 8 and by far less content? Are you trying to direct attention away from your scum-buddy? He is the only person in the game so far who bothered to suggest you were Town.

Why is Dekes scummy other than lurking? His claim has no scum motivation. Why is Toon Fighter not scum since we can’t ‘see how scummy he is’ since he’s not really posting?

This jason voting thing is a complete waste of time and is just distracting town. The only thing it will serve is WIFOM mess for town to filter through when flips/results are given.

Actually it’s a very good tool to gauge who players are willing to label as Town. Down the line that information in conjunction with alignment flips and VC analysis will give plenty of useful information. Nice try to pre-emptively argue away relational tells. Scumtastic.

My vote is currently with Enigma and I’m happy with it there. I’d certainly also strongly support a Toon or vezo wagon at this stage.

@Chess and Gandalf

– If Toon Fighter’s nomination of Enigma suggests that they both are potential scum where are you not voting for either one of them?

[chesskid3]

You're missing the point, whether intentionally or otherwise. The point of this is not for everyone to out 3 townreads. The point of this is to make the PM end up in town hands.