Mini 1077 Lost: Season Two (Over)

[gandalf5166]

Wait, I'm not voting for Enigma?

VOTE: Enigma

Where the hell WAS my vote?

[chesskid3]

Callandor.

[chesskid3]

MoI/TF for scum, Enigma for misslynch bait.

[MagnaofIllusion]

You're missing the point, whether intentionally or otherwise. The point of this is not for everyone to out 3 townreads. The point of this is to make the PM end up in town hands.

I’m clearly aware of your limited depth analysis of the situation. Since you aren’t willing to venture beyond the obvious I’ll educate you. In the situations below we are assuming the target of Jason’s ‘ability’ survives Night.

Situation – Jason is Town and not lying about his role.

If this is the case it really doesn’t matter who the message goes to. If the recipient is Town then Jason becomes Mod-confirmed Town. Nothing is necessarily known about the target. In either case we don’t really know Jason’s alignment until said Town target flips or is confirmed by an outside source.

If the target is scum then they have a tough decision to make. They either confirm Jason as Town (and remove a potential mislynch from their pool who hasn't looked very Town so far) or set-up a 1 versus 1 with Jason. Even if Dekes is full of crap and we have a 3 person Mafia that’s a tough spot. Either way the Mafia is put at a disadvantage.

Situation – Jason is scum and lying about his role.

No message is forthcoming. Scum is forced to either kill within a set pool of Town players (if all three players chosen are Town) and hope they don’t run into some sort of protection. If they guess wrong said Town player is set in a 1 versus 1 with Jason-scum. Not a good outcome for scum. If they guess correct then we are back to square one with Jason. If a scum partner is in the pool we once again know nothing until Jason flips, in which case we have net two for the price of one.

Situation – Jason is lying about his role as Town, Reck has kicked up the bastardness of the game, or Jason dies / is interfered with.

The first two situations screw Town over. The third places us back at step one.

The result of all the scenarios

– we don’t necessarily get any information on Day 2 that tells us anything concrete. Mostly relational tells dependant on flips down the line.

If the Pro-Town purpose was to solely ‘get the message in Town’s hands’ I would never have bothered. Because the situation is too filled with ‘What Ifs’. I agreed with it because the process of everyone selecting 3 town reads gives additional relational information to be used down the line regardless of whatever the hell is going on with Jason.

Feel free to cling to you simplistic view Chess.

[AGar]

What happened here guys?

Chesskid has a point. Why not self nominate? You know you are town. Only reason for you not to self nominate is for you not to draw attention.

That proves MoI is scum or third party.

No, not really.

This really proves nothing about alignment at the moment. It can be used

later

to determine things, but we'll see.


MoI: AGar, Dekes, Callandor
CK3: Chesskid3, Dekes, Callandor
Dram: Chesskid3, Dekes, MoI
Me: Chesskid3, Dekes, MoI
Gandalf: Dekes, MoI, vezokpiraka
Vezok: Dramonic, Chesskid3, vezokpiraka
Call: MoI, AGar, Chesskid3
Toonfighter: MoI, Enigma, AGar

Dekes at 5, Chesskid at 5, MoI at 5, AGar at 3, vezok and Callandor at 2, Dramonic and Enigma at 1.

That's 8/11, with Stephoscope, Enigma and Dekes not submitting. The picture is clear, Jason should be choosing from Dekes-replacement/Chesskid3/MoI for his PM tonight.

CK3 - If you can't see the purpose of something more than the surface value, read deeper.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Enigma

The better wagon.

[AGar]

(and yes, I'm in favor of moving on now, although if Stephoscope/Enigma/Dekes-replacement want to submit the 3, the information may or may not have come in handy).

[Enigma]

Have you got a reason why you are jumping on, or are just looking for an easy bandwagon. I don't see much of a reason from Gandalf or Agar.

I really don't care about spending half of day 1 trying to organize a way to confirm that ONE person is town. It's been a complete waste of time and it's just going to make Day 2 a WIFOMy mess. And that's probably what all those

scum

players pushing for this are hoping to achieve.

Lol @ MoI trying to get more votes on me. That's pretty scummy.

I thank you chesskid for not agitating me in this game and not seeming as derpy as gandalf is appearing to be.

[jasonT1981]

Mod, can we get a vote count please? If I am right Enigma is at L-2?

[Callandor]

sorry for inactivity, will post thursday. need to go doctor.

[xRECKONERx]

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Enigma (5): MagnaofIllusion, jasonT1981, dramonic, gandalf5166, AGar
Callandor (1): Enigma
Toon Fighter (2): Dekes, Callandor
MagnaofIllusion (2): chesskid3, vezokpiraka
dramonic (1): Toon Fighter

Not voting (1): Stephoscope

It would appear that Dekes has flaked. Searching for a replacement.

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline is November 24th at 6:00PM.

[AGar]

Have you got a reason why you are jumping on, or are just looking for an easy bandwagon. I don't see much of a reason from Gandalf or Agar.

I've got 4.

1. You're wagon is going places.
2. You're actively refusing to partake in actual discussion, other than calling everything anyone does scum-motivated.
3. You only are looking at the surface of things, and attacking it for being scum-driven because of what you see on the surface.
4. You're actively attempting to avoid taking any real stances.

[chesskid3]

Unvote

Vote: Enigma

L-1.

[jasonT1981]

Alright, Egnima claim time

[gandalf5166]

I like the makeup of this wagon. It's entirely town.

[chesskid3]

Wasn't I on your scumlist, gandalf?

[Enigma]

DAYKILL: GANDALF5166

[chesskid3]

Lol wut

[Enigma]

No need to claim when I can obviously just demonstrate my role.

I wonder what happens now.

[chesskid3]

Unvote

I want to see what happens, but if there's no modscene, i'm revoting.

[dramonic]

Can somebody explains to me why Enigma's most brilliant way of proving his role is to shoot the guy claiming partial bulletproof that risks turning into a traitor at the slightest provocation?

[chesskid3]

because he's stupid

[Toon Fighter]

@ Mod: is the votecount correct? It says 2 votes on Callandor, but only Enigma is voting.

Fixed

I'm sorry guys, but I haven't had much time for the game. I will make the promised post when I can, but I can't do it now. Tomorrow it will happen, with a bit of luck.

But for now,

unvote

and I agree with dramonic, why shoot gandalf?

[gandalf5166]

Wasn't I on your scumlist, gandalf?

Lol at getting games confused. I'm pretty sure this is the only game where I think you're town.

DAYKILL: GANDALF5166

Obviously bullshit. It's not bolded.

[jasonT1981]

And it looks like the mod has been on as TF quotes are mod fixed (note the bold green fixed in 496) and given that evedience of mod being on and no scene, we can assume bullshit trying to press fear into town.

Revote and hang this scum now

[gandalf5166]

And it looks like the mod has been on as TF quotes are mod fixed (note the bold green fixed in 496) and given that evedience of mod being on and no scene, we can assume bullshit trying to press fear into town.

Revote and hang this scum now

Even if he had day-killed me, there wouldn't be a modscene. Unless he has modscenes for failed Daykills(which, in one ongoing game, he did). I'm bulletproof, remember?

In fact, that was probably the point. After this, he's going to claim that he forgot about my bulletproof claim, then say he was oneshot, that way he doesn't have to actually prove his ability.