Mafia 121 -- Picking Simplicity Game Over

[Nachomamma8]

Jack, Nikanor's reasoning was in the last Picking Simplicity, the town got hit hard because they didn't lynch the SK until late. On top of that, the only viable claim for an SK in an open is SK since vanilla claims are lynched and PR claims are counterclaimed, so we could force the SK to work as a vig. Thus, it's in the town's best interest to lynch SKs early.
It's okay if you think the CJ thing is weak. The primary purpose of my case is to show my sincerity.

UK, I see nothing in #530 worth responding to.
No, I'm not telling you that you're opportunistic for voting people who are actually scummy. You're opportunistic for voting people with anti-town meta with weak reasoning. There's really also no difference between me voting scum and you voting anti-town. We're both advancing our win conditions, after all.

[UncertainKitten]

Uh huh. Not gonna fly Nacho. Your case is shit and you should feel bad. Further, your "tells" aren't if you refuse to explain them. I *am* actually beginning to doubt your sincerity given your refusal to defend your attacks on me.

[UncertainKitten]

EBWOP: Your 'tells' aren't tells, to clarify.

[Nachomamma8]

Here, let me humor you.

Re: 49: I'm talking about how you specifically said you were looking for scum that got on early to the wagon. Scum, on principle, join townie lynches late, and scum lynches early. If town is being lynched, they don't want to take the blame for it. If scum is being lynched, they want to get credit for it.

If you need my help to explain the rest of it, then you're a fucking idiot. That "how is this scummy?" defense is shit and you should feel bad for even trying it.

[UncertainKitten]

The hilarious part is you're the fucking idiot. You're not at all scumhunting. You're looking for shit that looks pretty and hoping no one calls you on it. Well guess what, asshole. Someone IS calling you on it. Put it the fuck up, or shut it the fuck up.

I also disagree that "scum join townie lynches late on principle". I DARE you to prove that line of bullshit.

[UncertainKitten]

Now, we both are going to back off the insults because I'm getting myself worked up over nothing and we still are probably at a point where we don't have to call each other a fucking idiot each post. I realize I started it. Sorry. I feel your post wasn't the most well thought out. This probably doesn't mean you're a fucking idiot.

[Nachomamma8]

The last line of 553 was meant to explain why I wasn't responding to your defense post since most of it was simply you calling the case terrible and me stupid without a whole lot of explanation surrounding it. My apologies for the misapplication of it.

[UncertainKitten]

Alright, now that we're on the same page, I *am* serious about you explaining the tells wherever I asked for them. As you know, I believe in scum intent, not scum tells. You'll need to tell me how those posts help scum me, rather than just saying they *do*.

[Jack]

And what am I supposed to say against that? Just "no, I don't"? I mean, it's kinda improvable either way. Um...that's nice Jack? Go ahead and vote me if you think that?

At least I'm not pretending like it's super dooper undeniable evidence and you don't have to cuss about how it isn't

@nacho: I meant, the CJ thing as evidence of uk as sk is weak. I don't believe in the voting to make a point thing either.

[RedCoyote]

Why is it that everytime I check this thread I feel like the same 3 or 4 people are posting? How about a little IIoA for everyone:

AGar's last post was 11/13, 2.5 days ago

Antihero's last post was 11/9, ~6 days ago

eldarad's last post was 11/12, 3.5 days ago

Empking's last post was 11/15, yesterday

Glork's last post was 11/11, 4.5 days ago

Haylen's last post was 11/13, 2.5 days ago
Jack's last post was 11/15, ~6 hours ago

Lowell's last post was 11/13, 3 days ago

LMP's last post was 11/14, ~a day ago
Nacho's last post was 11/15, ~6 hours ago
Nikanor's last post was 11/15, ~a day ago
RC's last post was 11/15, ~a day ago
Sudo's last post was 11/14, 2 days ago
UK's last post was 11/15, ~6 hours ago

Vas' last post was 11/10, 5.5 days ago

Xine's last post was 11/14, 1.5 days ago

[Antihero]

Wow, I didn't realize I let myself go 6 days. Sorry everybody, and thanks RC for giving me a kick in the pants.

I see a few UK votes, which I don't understand. Reading nacho's case.

[Antihero]

LMP, you're still harking on about that stupid appeasement bullshit? For the last time, I was explaining an inside joke between me and Haylen to Azazel, who obviously didn't get the reference and voted me based on it.

LMP is so full of it, it's gushing out his ears.

VOTE: LynchMePls

Xine's points on Haylen and Agar fail pretty badly (not to mention they're kind of fencesittish), as does the soft attack on Jack.

nacho, I disagree with your assessment of UK's play, but I do think she needs to learn yoga or breathing exercises or something to calm down.

[AGar]

Ehhhhhhh meh.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: UK

Hypocrisy, blah blah blah, twisted view of contradicting herself, yawn.

Blah.

Hayl is scum, but people would rather sit around and analyze my follow ups than actually lynch scum. Blech.

[Lowell]

I could go for UK if this AGar thing doesn't happen. In other news, this AGar thing should happen, and sorry for the lack of posting recently.

[VasudeVa]

Computer problems. Less posty everywhere. I hate BSOD's. D:<

I'm pretty lost so I think I'll be doing a bigger post sometime in the near future when I'm not cowering in fear of BSODs eating up mah txtsz.

[Xine]

Substancial post on monday.

Lying,
her whole game has been exuses as to why she isn't playing. I'm sure she'll have an exuse to cover for this lie.
VOTE: Haylen
as promised

btw antihero, I was not attacking Jack

[UncertainKitten]

AGar is hilarious. He is so obviously scum it's blinding. "Herp derp I'm going to jump on this growing bandwagon that's not me and non chalantly play off the fact I have no actual leg to stand on for my vote!"

[LimMePls]

Wow, I didn't realize I let myself go 6 days. Sorry everybody, and thanks RC for giving me a kick in the pants.

I see a few UK votes, which I don't understand. Reading nacho's case.

You "let" yourself go 6 days? So you've been not posting on purpose?

[Haylen]

Substancial post on monday.

Lying,
her whole game has been exuses as to why she isn't playing. I'm sure she'll have an exuse to cover for this lie.
VOTE: Haylen
as promised

btw antihero, I was not attacking Jack

Looks like a vote in response to the fencesitting accusation to me.
Yes, sometimes I don't post when I say I'm going to, so what? I ALWAYS do that. People only need to worry if 5 days have gone by since the deadline i've set myself. Don't tell me you've never gone over a deadline before?

[Jack]

Xine's points on Haylen

and

Agar fail pretty badly (not to mention they're kind of

fencesittish

)

Back to AGar. I don't see him as scum for his attack on Haylen, or any other (?) reason.

I do think he's correct that Haylen is uberscummy.

Explain.



Agar is still scum I think.

[Xine]

Haylen: did you read post 529
Jack: are you asking me to explain, or antihero? I will anyways, just in case
Haylen has time to active lurk, and make AtE excuses as to why that's all she's doing. she has spent a lot of energy making these excuses, if she would apply some of that energy to scum hunting, maybe she would have posted some content. (as she promised)

As far as I could see, the only case on Agar was for the style of his attack on Haylen, which I don't see as scummy, more as supper frustrated and also arrogant. I hope that helps to clarify my stance.

[Jack]

I was asking antihero to explain.

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 2.04

AGar - 5 - Nikanor, VasudeVa, UncertainKitten, Haylen, Lowell
UncertainKitten - 4 - Nachomamma8, LynchMePls, Empking, AGar
mothrax - 2 - RedCoyote, Jack
LynchMePls - 2 - eldarad, Antihero
Haylen - 1 - Xine

Not Voting: Glork, mothrax, Sudo_Nym

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline: November 23

Random notes:

-- I actually did a vote count!
-- Deadline is ONE WEEK from now....
-- Reminder: If no majority reached by deadline, there will be NO LYNCH

[Jack]

unvote, vote:Agar

According to his ISO he had a positive view of UK. He did not find Nacho's case persuasive when it was posted (only comment was to ask for vote count).

The tone of his last post is him trying to dance between "I really find her scummy" and "well the other wagon is on me" without saying either outright.

[Haylen]

Haylen: did you read post 529
Jack: are you asking me to explain, or antihero? I will anyways, just in case
Haylen has time to active lurk, and make AtE excuses as to why that's all she's doing. she has spent a lot of energy making these excuses, if she would apply some of that energy to scum hunting, maybe she would have posted some content. (as she promised)

As far as I could see, the only case on Agar was for the style of his attack on Haylen, which I don't see as scummy, more as supper frustrated and also arrogant. I hope that helps to clarify my stance.

I did and I am going to say it again.

There is no such thing as AtE

, it only exists in the eye of the person who has been affected emotionally by what has been said. Thus it is not a thing a player can do intentionally - it gets called scummy so much that scum don't actually do it intentionally.

Name one time in the game that I have lied (because you're saying i've done it more than once which is strawman and misrepping)- this does not included the misrep that you made about me not posting. Saying you promise to do something and then not doing it til the next day is actually breaking a promise rather than lying.

I havent been active lurking, I'm always V/LA at the weekends with the exception of games that I am modding or if I'm ICing in a game.