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Post Post #1050 (ISO) » Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:24 am

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Non credo che Espeonage è feccia. All'inizio d1 diverse persone stavano andando dietro a me, quelli che sono stati bloccati fuori NC e Espeonage. Entrambi feccia è improbabile, IMO.
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Post Post #1051 (ISO) » Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:32 am

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Posting in some places but not others means I have nothing interesting to say in that particular game.

Would you rather meaningless fluff posting?

or just a lack of posting?

either way, very little content would come from forcing me to post when I have less to say. :/

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Consider,
someone(s)
have a very accurate scumdar, and it's not the town as a whole.
IF
Fate had come up with some new reads, rather than parroting common opinion, we might actually manage to
lynch
scum, instead of letting the anonymous killer(s) do the job for us.

On the other hand, I am beginning to doubt some of my scum reads. After all, if both myself and Fate have picked Esp as scum, it just may be wrong...
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Post Post #1052 (ISO) » Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:46 am

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Fate did have a new read. He says Parama is scum.

I would much rather see Parama investigated than lynched, especially since we have other scummy people about today. I'm not getting the Espeonage wagon - I don't want a wall post, but is there anything other than his resemblance to Nobody Special that has Espeonage down as scum?
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Post Post #1053 (ISO) » Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:53 am

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Chronopie wrote:Consider,
someone(s)
have a very accurate scumdar, and it's not the town as a whole.
IF
Fate had come up with some new reads, rather than parroting common opinion, we might actually manage to
lynch
scum, instead of letting the anonymous killer(s) do the job for us.
Says the guy who pops in the say "Hai gaiz, vote manho" and then leaves.
Chronopie wrote:On the other hand, I am beginning to doubt some of my scum reads. After all, if both myself and Fate have picked Esp as scum, it just may be wrong...
Espy was one of your scum picks? You did a good job of fooling me, then.
Chronopie post [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=2619484#p2619484]892[/url] wrote:Coulda sworn I'd posted yesterday. guess not...

Brief points: Parama/Stove feels TvT.

Manho's #828 is just... denial for the sake of denial. No real effort made in defending. Scum vibes.

LLD is fluffy. Whether fluffy scum or fluffy town...

Nacho made a good entry in to the game (better than I did at least), town read there too.

Summary: VOTE: Manho, FoS: LLD

Parama | Stove | Nacho are prob-town

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Post Post #1054 (ISO) » Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:26 am

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Parama wrote:Twomz, when Espe flips scum then I'll have pinned a 3rd scum this game. Yes I do bus as scum but I'm town in this game which means it's just good scumhunting.
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Post Post #1055 (ISO) » Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:28 am

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smargaret wrote:Fate did have a new read. He says Parama is scum.

I would much rather see Parama investigated than lynched, especially since we have other scummy people about today. I'm not getting the Espeonage wagon - I don't want a wall post, but is there anything other than his resemblance to Nobody Special that has Espeonage down as scum?
We have another cop? What?

If you arent GETTING the Espeon wagon you're GETTING on this one.

INVESTIGATION-IMMUNE SK FTW?

Look I'll make a case on Parama tonight after I get home, if thats REALLY what you want. He's scum six ways to sunday and we could really use one less NK at night (since as SK he'll have to hit town now to win)
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Post Post #1056 (ISO) » Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:29 am

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Chronopie wrote:Posting in some places but not others means I have nothing interesting to say in that particular game.

Would you rather meaningless fluff posting?

or just a lack of posting?

either way, very little content would come from forcing me to post when I have less to say. :/

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Consider,
someone(s)
have a very accurate scumdar, and it's not the town as a whole.
IF
Fate had come up with some new reads, rather than parroting common opinion, we might actually manage to
lynch
scum, instead of letting the anonymous killer(s) do the job for us.

On the other hand, I am beginning to doubt some of my scum reads. After all, if both myself and Fate have picked Esp as scum, it just may be wrong...
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F THAT NOISE.

IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY ITS ECAUSE YOURE SCUM/DEADWEIGHT.
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Post Post #1057 (ISO) » Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:30 am

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Parama wrote:1. I'm providing content unlike Espe and Chrono
2. I'm town, Espe and Chrono are not
3. [REDACTED]
Softclaiming isn't going to save your ass. Too bad so sad.

If you're a PR well then you shouldn't have scummed all over the place in some bastardly attempt to live.
But you clearly have no fear of the nightkill only lynch. NK+Investigation immune? Now that's harsh.
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Post Post #1058 (ISO) » Wed Nov 17, 2010 10:36 am

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Woo, postrate++

Still waiting on AGar.
Parama wrote:1. I'm providing content unlike Espe and Chrono
2. I'm town, Espe and Chrono are not
3. [REDACTED]
1. We've had this discussion.
2. lol?
3. mmm hmm

So in other words, no.
Tasky wrote:posting to avoid prod.
...
Antihero wrote:The lack of Chronopie in this thread makes me rage.
+1
Chronopie wrote:Posting in some places but not others means I have nothing interesting to say in that particular game.
Full scumlist plz.


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Post Post #1059 (ISO) » Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:22 am

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VOTE COUNT

Chronopie (3): chesskid3, Tasky, Antihero
Espeonage (5): Knight of Cydonia, The Stove, manho, Parama, Twomz
manho (3): Chronopie, Nachomamma8
Parama (1): Fate
The Stove (2): Lady Lambdadelta, smargaret
Not voting (1): Espeonage

With
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players alive, it takes
8
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Post Post #1060 (ISO) » Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:27 pm

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Charlie has his role PM.

For those of you expecting things more important, Knight of Cydonia and Nachomamma8 are prodded. Don't make me move the deadline forward.
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Post Post #1061 (ISO) » Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:38 pm

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Post Post #1062 (ISO) » Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:59 pm

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Dagnabbit. Hold on one moment.
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Post Post #1063 (ISO) » Wed Nov 17, 2010 4:31 pm

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Chronopie wrote:Would you rather meaningless fluff posting?

or just a lack of posting?
Nachoscum wrote:I don't have anything else to say. And even more dangerous than a reactive player is a player that posts just to post.
:D


And you know, I might count this opinion as more valid if all you did anything OTHER than fluffpost this entire game. But you haven't posted anything of note to date, so this is just a weak attempt to get out of posting content.
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Post Post #1064 (ISO) » Wed Nov 17, 2010 4:34 pm

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^Who cares about that? Did you notice how he all the sudden thinks Espy is scum?
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Post Post #1065 (ISO) » Wed Nov 17, 2010 4:40 pm

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I didn't find that to be OH SO AMAZING evidence.

I'm pretty sure that #892 didn't envelop all of his reads. At least, I hope not.
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Post Post #1066 (ISO) » Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:52 pm

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Chronopie wrote:Posting in some places but not others means I have nothing interesting to say in that particular game.

Would you rather meaningless fluff posting?

or just a lack of posting?

either way, very little content would come from forcing me to post when I have less to say. :/

--

Consider,
someone(s)
have a very accurate scumdar, and it's not the town as a whole.
IF
Fate had come up with some new reads, rather than parroting common opinion, we might actually manage to
lynch
scum, instead of letting the anonymous killer(s) do the job for us.

On the other hand, I am beginning to doubt some of my scum reads. After all, if both myself and Fate have picked Esp as scum, it just may be wrong...
(cue Animal House impersonation)

YOU HAVE NO SCUMREADS!




I am down for Parama wagon.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Parama

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Post Post #1067 (ISO) » Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:54 pm

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Well that's interesting to note.

So "lost" is just flavour. Okay... does that mean I'm Vanilla?
Chronopie wrote:
Twomz wrote:There is no Pustulio! It's just a pimple! A hypnotic pimple!

I stand by my policy that Chronopie is always scum.
unvote, vote: Chronopie
This is only slightly a joke.
I can link you to three completed Town-Chrono games :P

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 76&start=0
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 81&start=0
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 82&start=0

Well there goes your case. :P

Now seriously :igmeou:

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Finished my reread. I too did not find any case on BE/Mothrax. How was he pushed to claiming?

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Isn't that Manho's Post Restriction? to hide/color/size part/all of the text?
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unvote, vote: sakshijain


That lost role thing was seriously weird. I want it better explained.
I'm pretty sure he just voted his own slot Predecessor...

:?

VOTE: TF

Unvote:
Vote: Parama


I swear TO GOD if you let Parama SK me tonight and then herpa derpa let him live tomorrow I'll be fuming.

I'll have the case up on him in an hour or two, just to be extra sure.
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Post Post #1068 (ISO) » Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:55 pm

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OH HAI STOVE DIDN SEE YOUR NINJA THERE

(also lol I ended up voting parama in my last post not chrono so EVERYTHINGS ALL GOOD ANYWAY)
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Post Post #1069 (ISO) » Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:05 pm

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Jesus, give a man some peace to read already.
manho wrote:
chesskid is scum.


VOTE: chesskid
Was this ever explained, or just manho being manho?

Framm on BE and Espy:
Framm 18 wrote: Odd thing is, I don't think that both of them are scum together, based on their interaction. But I feel llike I am behind the eight-ball in terms of trying to catch up with this game. Miss one or two days and you miss alot.
Assuming multiple scum factions/scum and SK with no coherent flips that uphold this? I don't like it, it smells of trying to throw town off.

Me=Weird wrote: First off is the stove's vote:
Baby Spice - one of the worst votes I've seen on MS
Initially, not the most reasoned out vote. They do back it up somewhat later, but it's not too great. Conclusion: Null, leaning
town.


LLD:
Right now I like Baby Spice as Scum more than BloodErection.

For the simple fact that BloodErection's vote swap MAY have been based upon some deluded town logic... where as Baby Spice is just scumming it up in every way. Cop out post to avoid being linked to any wagon + an OMGUS vote on Parama = Scummy

Vote: Baby Spice
The case: OMGUS, and and just calling BS scummy without really saying why. This is a very weak vote, almost entirely based on OMGUS. It looks a bit to me like scum trying to get a bandwagon going. Conclusion:
Scum.


chess:
as far as I can tell, he wrote:However, I would prefer a Baby Spice wagon because she's not making much sense now, and calling calling obv. town people scum d1
It's a bit hard to figure out what he's saying, as I don't know Italian and translating is weird. Basically, he's saying she wasn't making much sense, which is true, though I have quite often seen town players make no sense. He also accused her of calling townish people scum, the d1 point doesn't make sense because it's a night start game. An okay vote, though it's hard to tell because of the PR. Conclusion: Null.

Espeonage:
Yet another reasonless one. Conclusion: Leaning a bit to
scum.


Twomz:
unvote, vote: Baby Spice (L - 4)

Besides backwards/flawed voting logic (others have pointed it out, I don't even know what to say to it... providing reasons for votes is scummy? wtf), I agree that deflecting and the 'Oh woe is me' defense are two major scumtells (I was gonna say 'accurate' but scumtells are rarely accurate).
Good reasoning, I agreed with this post. Doesn't follow up with it after her other posts, though. Conclusion: Probably
town.


manho:
Just calls her obvscum.
Not much to analyze, it's becoming the norm to vote without reasons. Conclusion: Null, leaning
scum.


Tasky:
I think this game will be more fun if we put someone to L-1:
UNVOTE: VOTE: Baby Spice
Bad
vote. Because it would be more fun? He didn't even express suspicion before this.
See all these reads? These are precisely what I think at this point. (It's not parroting if I'm parroting myself, right? :lol: )
chesskid wrote:tunneling is because you have not spoken to anyone that I have in ages.
Er... what?
chesskid wrote:I am not active in wait, so stop fucking lying.
Erm, what was all the math based on flawed logic about then? Not to mention the fact your so-called "self-clear" was mod-confirmed as crapola...
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Vote: chesskid3
Remember when I said I'd have gotten rid of chesskid if I could?
I didn't mean wasting a lynch to do so.

Parama wrote:
Mafuyu wrote:
Unvote Vote LLD

Mafuyu is interested.
Eh... safe to say LLD isn't scum IMO.
Nobody Special wrote:This is why good players preview our posts prior to hitting Submit.
LLD isn't scum. Just sayin'.
Because scum never bus Day 1, guys!

Parama wrote:
Mafuyu wrote:....are you
sure
the lists aren't part of a PR?
see my own reason for not being mafia above, basically the same thing
Mafuyu wrote:As much as it's amusing to know you're reading Jabberwocky en italiano, are you doing anything other than evading the prodgun right now chess?
I dunno whether to call this a weak bus or a weak attack on a townie. Meh.

Nobody Special wrote:Stop telling me what to do, I don't play according to other people's whims.

Also, I fully agree with Espeo -- this is going to be one frakking hard game. (Plus, I feel all fish-out-of-waterish -- I wasn't in SWNIII.)

Reck/dram, am I, really? I'm not trying to be. Sorry.

unvote

Vote: Lady Greekletters
1. Antihero isn't scum.
2. Espe gets scumpoints
3. Reckamonic gets scumpoints
4. LLD is town
Hi, I'm Parama, I throw this shit out without any fucking justification other than quoting a post that could be interpreted many different ways.
Parama wrote:
Nobody Special wrote:
Tasky wrote:this game is going way to fast for me. don't have enough time.
so expect me to lurk a little.
don't let that distract you.

If you find scum, tell me.
This is the SECOND GAME in which you've posted this.

I think I'm on my way to hating you. Don't push me.

(Sadi the active lurker.)
Hmm... I could see Tasky-scum from this post. Really weak attack and it's more a personal attack than anything.
So when it was done to chesskid, you weren't sure if it was bus or attack on a townie, but you're only considering a bus here?

The size of Parama's scum pool at any time from mid-D2 seems to always be... well, a lot more scum than you'd actually expect at this stage in the game. Smells like scum throwing out as much suspicion as possible, tbh.
Parama wrote:I'm playing to my town meta. I mean, my role PM told me I was town, so I can't help but play to my town meta.
Things I hate:
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  • Meta attacks
  • Use of meta at all
I've said it before, and I'll say it again - any semi-competent player is aware of their meta, and can play their meta to the point where they become unreadable. Parama even admits that he deliberately plays to meta as SK and mafia, so this post is a bullshit defence.

chesskid's constant "Oh, I have a PR, don't vote me", combined with his aggro towards those pushing his case (xvart and antihero especially) doesn't come across as particularly townish, and neither does the reliance on the flawed maths.
Tasky wrote: there is no such thing as OMGUS. he attacked me, and I am townie, therefore it is obvious that he did something wrong. so, I am inclined to investigate him further. Therefore, I looked back at his posts, and they are full of nonsense. He screams OMGUS all the time, calls 5 people scum, etc.
therefore I vote him.
OH BOY, that logic. "I'm town, anyone who attacks me is wrong and scum". Terribad defence, the type I'd expect from scum.
Tasky wrote: I am not sure about this. but I think so. and, it is vital for all of us that I get to know whether my theory is right or not.
Maybe, if my theory gets confirmed, I can even explain it tomorrow. I am not promising that, though.
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I read the case and I agreee with it
Worst. Town JOAT. Ever.
Tasky wrote:more M=W votes please!
"I can't explain adequately why, but vote this guy I'm OMGUSing and putting a terrible case on!"
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will read BE soon after catching up in
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i still think chesskid is the italian godfather.
That's awfully specific, sir. Care to back it up? I mean, in principle, I suppose your case is "it makes sense for an Italian Godfather to not know English" which makes some sense, but I'd prefer actual reasons as to scumminess.
Reckamonic wrote:Gonna
Vote: BE

Meta reasoning in an ongoing game
REEEEEECCCCCK!/DRAAAAAAAAAAAAAM!"


Thankfully not the lynch, but still. GUISE. SRSLY. U GUISE.

Tasky wrote:^lol.

look. it's simple. I have a good reason to suspect that BE will die today.
therefore I do not think we should lynch him today.
not difficult, no lies. :wink:
Wait, today? What happened to him dying that NIGHT?

Wait, Chrono doesn't even know what the fuck he is? Well, shit son.

Tasky wrote:can we go on to serious business and lynch M=W now?
smargaret wrote:tl;dr for Chronopie: You're scum.
These are bad posts and you should both feel bad.
smargaret wrote:oh ... sorry, I thought Chronopie had replaced BE. Framm is only maybe scum, because he hasn't posted anything.

*embarrassed*
Okay, you're kinda redeemed, but forgetting who's who so easily is a step away from "I'll push fucking
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manho wrote:chronopie is town, [not a spoiler]or scum with parama.[/spoiler]
Getting SERIOUSLY fed up of manho coasting along like this, barely contributing and rarely explaining any of his reads.
Twomz wrote:There is no Pustulio! It's just a pimple! A hypnotic pimple!

I stand by my policy that Chronopie is always scum.
unvote, vote: Chronopie
This is only slightly a joke.
Halfway through D2 is not time for even "slightly a joke" sir.
Tasky wrote:
Tasky wrote:can we go on to serious business and lynch M=W now?
this
...no comment,
for now.

Espeonage wrote:Can we just lynch the scum and then get onto the next one later. BE reeked of so much scum the case wasn't needed. I did point out a really bad post or two of his though.
NO SIR, CASE IS ALWAYS NEEDED, SIR. "REEKING" NOT ENOUGH, SIR.

Tasky wrote:
smargaret wrote:Tasky seems to be flailing about for any lynch that isn't BE right now.
I want to lynch M=W.
smargaret wrote: At this point, BE is the best lynch. There are two outcomes: BE is scum. This is obviously good. BE is town. BE is vanilla town (per claim), so we haven't mislynched another power role. The wagon on BE will provide a lot of material for analysis tomorrow. We'll get rid of a scummy player who would be serious trouble in LyLo, so he doesn't make a bad mislynch either.
the last time I made a post like this I was scum.
FoS: smargaret
Petitioning for Tasky to be renamed "terribad scum". Seriously, this and the M=W case are huge piles of fluff. Judging someone based on YOUR meta? Jesus, meta is bad enough without misapplying YOURS to SOMEONE ELSE.

xvart wrote:
Tasky, 674 wrote:the last time I made a post like this I was scum.
FoS: smargaret
As I recall, I think I made some points against smargaret a while back. Let me go back and check, but I am pretty sure I could swing for a smargaret lynch today in the unfortunate event that chesskid is not hanging from the gallows.

xvart.
"I want this lynch... but I'm cool with anything else I can push, really!"

Toon Fighter wrote:
unvote, vote: sakshijain


That lost role thing was seriously weird. I want it better explained.
...see above statement Re: Worst. JOAT. Ever.

Tasky wrote:
smargaret wrote:Mothrax still needs to die. Tasky, how sure are you that he'll die tonight? I'll move my vote if it's inevitable.
let's say 60%, but additionally it is very important for us that I determine whether my theory is true.
60% =/= good enough. And I want an explanation of why only 60%, and yes I am asking for a proper claim here because frankly I'm fed up of all this "ooh, he might die" shit you pulled D2.
What are you, and why might you have killed BE if he hadn't been lynched. Now. Go.

Parama wrote: *is patiently waiting for a mothrax lynch and will do nothing until mothrax is dead*
Sure is tunnelling over here.

manho wrote:ok then,
unvote, vote: mothrax


[color=not purple]Manho gets his first strike for post #723, which breaks his post restriction.[/color]

LOL, just messing around with the mod color.
...I'm going to slap you. Seriously, how the fuck are you getting away with this?
Parama wrote:
Town:

Tasky
The Stove
LLD
smargaret

Null:

Antihero
Twomz
Me=Weird
Espeonage
chesskid3
Chronopie
xvart
manho
Reckamonic

Scum:

Toon Fighter

I'm thinking I need to reread a bit. My reads are all screwed up atm. I want to see what Toon Fighter flips before anything else. If he flips mafia goon, I'm putting my life savings on all daykills being deathmillerized. If he flips town (HAHAHA you jest.) or mafia PR then I'll be happier with all current flips. I really want to believe all the flips and my gut is telling me to do so, but I'm not sure.
Question: since TF was daykilled and flipped town, do you think the flips are... well, flipped? Or that only certain kills are millerised? Or any other ideas you may have now.
You appear to have answered this already, I assume you now believe the kills aren't millerised/flipped alignment on reveal. Feel free to correct me.

Re: Twomz in #770 - pointing out that you are pointing out the obvious =/= making your post any less fluff.
Espeonage wrote:Why my lynch. I was basically the only person who pointed out how stupid the TF case was and it turns out I was right.
Hoo boy. This is a terrible defence. "I was right about him being town! WHY MEEEEEE?!"

Tasky wrote:wait. isn't this going WAAAY to fast?
we should be a little careful, while it is true that 3 scums have died, we still lost 2 very powerful power roles. I don't think we should take this lightheartedly.
I'd like a NICE, PRECISE and COMPLETE case against Espeonage in one post. Thanks!
"Let's slow this legitimate lynch down! I can't be bothered/don't want to read Espeonage's last 3 posts myself, and I've conveniently forgotten about M=W for now."

manho wrote:
manho wrote:
Espeonage wrote:Why my lynch. I was basically the only person who pointed out how stupid the TF case was and it turns out I was right.
maybe you are scum so you know TF is not scum for sure.

just saying that though i haven't read Espeonage and not decided him scum or not yet.

add in the stove in my list of to be read.
an iso on Espeonage shows that he is likely scum. and that last post in which he wanted to prove himself innocent makes him scum.

vote: Espeonage
for now. will read the stove later.

LOL, small words are shown as normal in google chrome, and i thought i've forgotten my PR when i read my own post.
Again, just "my ISO that I'm not going into detail on says he's scum, also his last post".

[quote="chesskid3]As might be(likely to be?) scum like Espeonage, (he was happy to go into mathematics PR thing with me), and call it wishful thinking, but if he turns scum, the chances of me being scum down. If he runs the city, the chances of me being scum still go down.[/quote]

"Lynching this guy makes me town, regardless of his flip" Er, no. Just no. No player is EVER confirmed by another's flip, with the possible exception of a cop saying "X is town" and then being revealed as pro-town cop on death. And even then, godfather roles exist, so it's no 100%.

Tasky wrote:
Nachomamma8 wrote:Tasky is scum. He's promised to help out with chesskid's posts but has conveniently sat out of all discussions about them, the OMGUS case on M=W is beyond terrible, his votes are normally baseless, and his "BE will die tonight bit was scum trying to get two mislynches for the price of one ("Oh, BE isn't dead? Well, I guess my theory was wrong, then. Time to get lynching!"
I do not know whether my theory is right or not, since you guys didn't what I asked you too.
I didn't help out chesskid because nobody asked me to. If there is a difficult post, I'll help. I really don't understand how you can really believe I am scum because of that.
M=W is scum, whether you believe it or not.

all in all, your post is just ridiculous.
Tasky, this defence is ridiculous. Your theory never merited testing, and since mothrax flipped town, what if your "60%" hadn't come through? You'd have expected us to lynch him still. "No-one asked me" is not a valid reason when we've clearly been having trouble with posts going through Google Translate twice and coming out heavy garbage.
"M=W is scum, whether you believe it or not" pretty much sums up your case on me - nearly non-existent.
manho wrote:
[not a spoiler]@mod, you've missed my vote.[/spoiler]


i'm not scum, sorry.
You're not doing much in the way of being town, though. Your "post restriction" requires you to purple, mini, or spoiler some text before you start each post. It does NOT in anyway justify the massive active lurking you've perpetrated this game.

Tasky wrote:
Stove wrote:
Here's an idea: go read him yourself and form your own opinion.
That's exactly the point: I read Espeonage but I didn't see what you see. Therefore I am asking you to show me.
Wait, so you read him, and didn't see a good case on him as scum... so you want someone else to show you a case on him? Can you not stand by your own read, for some reason? Do you, say, just want a reason to jump on any town wagon?

Tasky wrote:
Nachomamma8 wrote:What reasons make you believe Espeonage could be town?
What reasons make you believe Espeonage could be scum?
he got a role PM from the mod containing his role. I know from a reliable source that his role was chosen randomly among a pool of roles containing scumroles and townroles.
That answers both questions.
No, it doesn't, it's dodging a valid question as to why you have conflicting opinions of Espeon over time that lead to a null-read overall.

Nachomamma8 wrote:
chesskid, post #842 wrote:I would not be at all surprised if the city upside down, but he has earned my vote.
So are you saying that you wouldn't be surprised if he flipped town, but he's earned your vote regardless?
If so, would you be suprised if he flipped scum?
Holy shit, THIS. "I wouldn't be surprised if he flipped town, but I'm voting him anyway"? BING BING BING SCUMDAR GOING OFF LIKE A FUCKING WASP'S NEST, MASSIVE CONTACT OFF THE STARBOARD SIDE, CAP'N
smargaret wrote:Huh. Upon rereading, xvart has the defense of BE, which gives him town points, and some rolefishing/pointless post restriction discussion/my own private reason which give him scum points. Leaning scum, but probably not a good choice for today.
Given that scum know who is town (or, if we have a third party, who ISN'T scum, at least), why does defending BE/mothrax give him town points?

manho wrote:i haven't seen a case on me so i won't defend myself.

still trying to find some time to read the stove.

vote: Espeonage
if the mod can't find my last vote.
i promise not to put game-related stuff in invisible text.
...really now. How about:
- Lack of any meaningful content
- Multiple unreasoned votes
- Repeated wagon hopping
- Refusal to defend self and ignoring cases against you
Parama wrote:M=W: I don't really want to lynch obvious town, so Tasky isn't gonna be a valid lynch ever.
Please tell me why he's obvious town.

Parama wrote:See: Tasky giving role-related reasons as to why we shouldn't lynch BE because he'll die anyways
See: BE/moth flipping town
See: Tasky obvtown
Soft-claim + town-flip =/= Tasky being obvtown. If anything, BE/moth flipping town reinforces the idea that Tasky was hoping for a second mislynch when his 60% magically failed to come through.

manho wrote:
Nachomamma8 wrote:Jokes aside, Vote: Manho. He's making his post restriction more crippling than it has to be; having to post in spoilers or purple text for the entire game really isn't an excuse to not post any content throughout the course of it.
yeah, and i promise to only put random stuff in invisible text.
I'll have to look later in his ISO to see his posts, but I'm pretty sure that he's posting only to avoid prods.
i'll leave it until you look into my ISO.
He gets bonus scum points for being really late on both wagons, and I'd pretty much guarantee he didn't have any reasoning for jumping onto either of them.
my vote would have been on Baby Spice much earlier if i didn't missed half of the first day. and she was so obv-scum then.
i didn't find BE/moth that scummy, but he wasn't that pro-town either. i'd say he was neutral in my mind then. the deadline and the fact that 3 scums have dead make my wagon vote.
His votehop onto Espeonage with reasoning "an ISO shows that he is likely scum" is a scum cop out, and only adds to his case.
i can't explain the gut feeling, but that's the way it goes.

the stove is still my next read, but i still struggle to find some time to do that.
Let's address how bad this "defence" is, shall we kids?
- he doesn't actually answer the first point of Nacho's.
- He refuses to properly defend (
again
) until Nacho ISO's him.
- Missing half the first day isn't an excuse when all role PM's had a link to the thread.
- I don't subscribe to the "any lynch > no lynch" theory, personally, but okay.
-
An ISO should not result in a "gut feeling". The point of an ISO is to find solid evidence in a person's post. The fact you provided no evidence other than this "gut feeling" is scummy as all hell.


Parama wrote:Dunno why town would want to see a wagon on obvtown.
Dunno why you care about me moving Antihero on my list if my list isn't scumhunting like you say.

You're BSing this on the basis of me moving one read on my list. From town to nulltown. And acting like it's a big deal. While also saying my lists are worthless.
Calling self obvtown =/= being obvtown.
The point Stove is trying to make (feel free to correct me if I'm interpreting wrong) is that you're moving people about on these lists with little/no real justification, the order seems arbitrary when people like Antihero who have done more "townie" actions than others are below those people", and the very fact they're not scumhunting.
And I'd say sticking with those damn worthless lists, then trying to draw suspicion on Antihero and Stove for getting onto you for them, is just as much BS.
chesskid3 wrote:
Unvote

Vote: Chronopie
I love a good rack of lamb, me. And chesskid sure tastes like sheep.
That said, after the vote he backs it up. Hrm. Not a fan of justification AFTER voting, but... eh.
Tasky wrote:
The Stove wrote:Tasky, why that vote. Why that vote over other possible votes. Sigh.
because Chronopie is scum.
You start giving sodding reasoning with your votes, sir, or you're going to dance the hemp fandango if I have any say.
Tasky wrote:this game is dragging...
MORE CHRONO-VOTES PLZ!!
A) How the fuck was the game dragging? Because someone asked to be replaced?
B) JESUS CHRIST MAYBE IF YOU GAVE PEOPLE A DECENT CASE TO WORK WITH
manho wrote:[not a spoiler=]GO BULLS~~~[/spoiler]
the framm/chrono slot is not scum.
Another coasterpost.

And that's me caught up to where I replaced in.

Final reads:

Scummy as all hell:

Tasky (VOTE M=W PLZ! NO, VOTE CHRONO PLZ! NO, I'M NOT GOING TO PRESENT A COHERENT CASE OF MY OWN ON EITHER! I also don't like the soft-claim that, if his 60% had conveniently not gone through, would have led to 2 mislynches in a row)
Charlie/manho (mostly based on manho's actions, or lack thereof)

Sort-of frothy

chesskid3 (delicious parrots, continued use of math PR long after shown to be bullshit)
Espeonage (WHY MEEEEE)

Null, from null-but-a-bit-frothy to null-but-kinda-cool-I-guess

Parama (lack of real scumhunting, defensiveness over his stupid lists)
Chronopie (not much content, but doing more than manho/Tasky, and given that they're pushing him... kinda doubt a late-game bus)
smargaret (full on null as hell.)
Fate replacing xvart (See smargaret)

Fairly confident town-reads (no particular order)

The Stove
Fate
Antihero
(All three have been posting strong, well thought-out townesque content, and have done little that I find scummy.)

Seriously needs to do more in this game

Nachomamma8
Twomz
(I'm having a hell of a time reading either of you, Nacho because Reckamonic did fuck all, and you've not done much more since, and Twomz because what you've posted has been so non-committal I don't know where to begin.)

With that done, I shall now UNVOTE: VOTE: Tasky
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...And I've put Fate on there twice, for some reason. Consider his position in the Town Read list the actual one.
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Nachomamma8 wrote:I didn't find that to be OH SO AMAZING evidence.

I'm pretty sure that #892 didn't envelop all of his reads. At least, I hope not.
Well, considering he only bothers to call two people scummy, and everyone else "null," there's not much evidence that supports this assertion.
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Knight of Cydonia wrote:...And I've put Fate on there twice, for some reason. Consider his position in the Town Read list the actual one.
So you're actually trying this game?

YOU KNOW WHAT THA-oh you're M=W...
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Post Post #1073 (ISO) » Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:22 pm

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I got tasky mislynched just by blinking in his direction one time D1. He's just that bad, KoC.

I mean theres a SHIT TON of players that are JUST THAT BAD this game, but hell. That's why I want a massclaim to sort out the VERIFIABLE ____ PLAYERS and the ___SCUM players

*___'s edited out due to promise to SC
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Post Post #1074 (ISO) » Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:25 pm

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bene che era un bel muro di A potrebbe essere vero ma B è POSSIBILE ANCHE OMG Fermate la stampa
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