Fringe Mafia (Game Over, role PMs posted)

[Empking]

Smarg: I've been scumhunting being the first person to vote Hop today and oner of the main proponents behind Furc. I might have been wrong about Furc and you might disagree with me on Hop but that doesn't mean I'm not scumhunting. Along with Hop, there's GW for possible scum


Hop: Taking quotes out of context to try and make a player look scummy is scummy itself. (The quote he quoted was in response to Hop having null and scum reads on everyone as we would expect from scum that doesn't want to get boxxed in but still feels the need to post their reads on everyone) Also if you actually want an increase in activity stop posting as much as you do.

[PogoStick]

1. You are not scum hunting
2. Voting first doesnt prove your point
3. I quoted that one part cause I felt it was relevant, no need to quote the entire post and people are smart enough to read the whole thing if the want to so no it isn't scummy

you have done nothing this game but bandwagon hop.

[PogoStick]

Increase activity by posting less makes no sense

[Empking]

1. I am, the post you quotyted out of context is an example of such.
2. It proves I'm not just bandwagonning players.
3. You were implying that I was being hypocritical. In context that was clearly not the case. So yes it is scummy.
4. That's clearly not the truth.
5. Its counter intuitive, true, but that doesn't change the fact that its true.

[Shattered Viewpoint]

Why, generically, do people ask

other

people what

otherother people

mean when they say stuff? I mean, why not A) ask the speaker

directly,

or 2)

FIGURE IT OUT YOUR DAMNED SELF?

Why are you not talking normally?

Define "normal." Especially for me.

Think carefully, now.

[PogoStick]

1. I am, the post you quotyted out of context is an example of such.
2. It proves I'm not just bandwagonning players.
3. You were implying that I was being hypocritical. In context that was clearly not the case. So yes it is scummy.
4. That's clearly not the truth.
5. Its counter intuitive, true, but that doesn't change the fact that its true.

1. That post I quoted proves nothing, the way I read it, ghost implied he had a pressure vote 1. A. You have no examples from day 1 and an incredibility weak example day 2.
2. So you bandwagon yesterday and figure if you vote me first today you will not be accused of bandwagoning, noted scum
3. "I'm not hypocritical cause I say I'm not" lol
4. What's not true? Bandwagon hopping? Look at your vote history and explain how it's not.
5. What is counter intuitive?

[esuriospiritus]

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VOTE COUNT 2.01

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"As they say in Finland, there's more than one way to roast a reindeer."

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HopOnMyJoystick

- Empking, bv310, Zang

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Empking

- smargaret, HopOnMyJoystick

Not Voting: GhostWriter, Doombunny9, TonyMontana, Shattered Viewpoint

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Day 2 will end on December 8th, 2010 at 10:30 PM EST (Countdown here.) or when someone is lynched.

With 9 present and alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

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PRODS

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Prod check is due sometime tomorrow.

[PogoStick]

Why, generically, do people ask

other

people what

otherother people

mean when they say stuff? I mean, why not A) ask the speaker

directly,

or 2)

FIGURE IT OUT YOUR DAMNED SELF?

Why are you not talking normally?

Define "normal." Especially for me.

Think carefully, now.

Why are you not scum hunting?

[esuriospiritus]

Also, this week's episode was AWESOME.

EDIT @Hop: Stop posting before me, dammit.

[Shattered Viewpoint]

Why, generically, do people ask

other

people what

otherother people

mean when they say stuff? I mean, why not A) ask the speaker

directly,

or 2)

FIGURE IT OUT YOUR DAMNED SELF?

Why are you not talking normally?

Define "normal." Especially for me.

Think carefully, now.

Why are you not scum hunting?

Define "scum hunting." Especially for me.

[PogoStick]

I don't know about you, you are a waste in this game is what I know and after we hopefully lynch emp, we can figure you out next.

[Zang]

I only gave one reason originally cause I was on my phone. Just letting you know you are barking up the wrong tree here so go scum hunt and let's not mislynch again.

Stop using that excuse. I've made all of my posts in this game on my phone and you've made enough to be able to write two more sentences. 

no I don't think quick hammers are scummy, but I think Zang quick hammering when he basically pops in and joins in on the 2 wagons without really commenting on anyone else IS scummy

Did you even read the rest of my post? I already explained this.

if you read my games you will have seen me basically disprove every buzzword you guys like to throw out there.

Quick hammers are not scummy
game setup speculation is not scumy
WIFOM is not scummy
AtE is not scummy

You did not explain why any of that is scummy, all you did was say that you do not think they are scummy. That's not disproving them.

[PogoStick]

Than dont beleive me zang. They are nit scummy cause I can provide examples of town using them.

If you can prove town uses those scummy tactics, that proved those tactics are not scum tells

a scumm tell is sonething scum does so if town also does it than it is called disproving it

[Empking]

1. I am, the post you quotyted out of context is an example of such.
2. It proves I'm not just bandwagonning players.
3. You were implying that I was being hypocritical. In context that was clearly not the case. So yes it is scummy.
4. That's clearly not the truth.
5. Its counter intuitive, true, but that doesn't change the fact that its true.

1. That post I quoted proves nothing, the way I read it, ghost implied he had a pressure vote 1. A. You have no examples from day 1 and an incredibility weak example day 2.
2. So you bandwagon yesterday and figure if you vote me first today you will not be accused of bandwagoning, noted scum
3. "I'm not hypocritical cause I say I'm not" lol
4. What's not true? Bandwagon hopping? Look at your vote history and explain how it's not.
5. What is counter intuitive?

1. I was referring to where I pointed out you were keeping your options open with regards to scum reads.
2. Seriously? What was I doing, staying up late at night press f5 to make sure I got there first.
3. Anybody is free to look at it in context. I've no wish to convince you just to stop you convincing anyone else.
4. I've voted two people seriously. I'm pretty sure that my first vote on each of them was before they had a bandwagon.
5. Not what you'd intiutively expect (I may have got the term wrong.)

[PogoStick]

You have to keep an open mind with scum reads, myb2 biggest reads of day 1 are now gone, if I was close minded I'd just have to quit scum hunting

2. You implied you were somehow scum hunting by voting first, voting first doesn't prove you are scum hunting

3. Your votes were clearly not "serious"

your last post I don't understand what you were originally even trying to ask/imply

your reasons for voting were weak and border sheeping, you made no real case for anyone

also even if you did vote first on one of the wagons, it doesn't prove you are not scum, I don't remeber seeing a rule that says if you vote first you are automatically town

[Empking]

Hop: Stop strawmanning. (I don't want to distract the town so this my last post you.)

[Empking]

EBWOP:
Strawman: "I don't remeber seeing a rule that says if you vote first you are automatically town"

[Zang]

Than dont beleive me zang. They are nit scummy cause I can provide examples of town using them.

If you can prove town uses those scummy tactics, that proved those tactics are not scum tells

a scumm tell is sonething scum does so if town also does it than it is called disproving it

I can also prove town using them. I'm saying that they are used mostly by scum and when town do use them it is anti town, I never said that they are scum tells and neither did you. Just because they are scummy doesn't mean they are scum tells.

[Empking]

Z

[Empking]

Zang: What's the difference between something that is "scummy" and something that is a "scum tell".

[PogoStick]

EBWOP:
Strawman: "I don't remeber seeing a rule that says if you vote first you are automatically town"

YOU said you were scum hunting by voting first

YOU implied that by voting before they had a wagon to make it seem like you are not scum

I don't have to twist it cause you posted it in black and white

[Empking]

EBWOP:
Strawman: "I don't remeber seeing a rule that says if you vote first you are automatically town"

YOU said you were scum hunting by voting first

YOU implied that by voting before they had a wagon to make it seem like you are not scum

I don't have to twist it cause you posted it in black and white

Provide quotes. I said that my voting before their was a wagon meant that I wasn't bandwagonning. Not that it was infallable evidence for me being town.

(Nowe I really am not going to talk about it any more.)

[PogoStick]

Than dont beleive me zang. They are nit scummy cause I can provide examples of town using them.

If you can prove town uses those scummy tactics, that proved those tactics are not scum tells

a scumm tell is sonething scum does so if town also does it than it is called disproving it

I can also prove town using them. I'm saying that they are used mostly by scum and when town do use them it is anti town, I never said that they are scum tells and neither did you. Just because they are scummy doesn't mean they are scum tells.

So if you seen pro town use them whu immediately come after those guys that do it and act like they ate scum for doing it?

[PogoStick]

So you get called out and instead of a proper defense you clam up?

Yeah that's pro town

[Shattered Viewpoint]

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