Succession Mafia (OVER!)

[Lord Gurgi]

I think the cults might be capped at a certain number of members.

[Andrius]

I think I found the/a recruiter last night
Getting some mod clarification as to what happened to me, but I'm certain I found one

[Lord Gurgi]

Why do you think anyone still trusts you Andrius. Explain your result on Ooba before you start up on some new garbage.

[Andrius]

I can't explain it ooba's, but it wasn't the same person/same thing at all. Now we know ooba is town, so he was most likely Framed (or I was RB'd by a non-whore). (Not counting RC_Cult's "Invsetigation".)

BUT this result wasn't from a Roleblocker; elsewise I would have had flavor with an attractive lady or something.

[xvart]

Well that's good news. While we wait for you, I think I'll go with a

Aim: Quagmire

I could go for Prozac, too. I don't suppose whoever is responsible for the ooba no result wants to fess up and give some information, either?

xvart.

[ReaperCharlie]

ooba's flip kind of makes me think singersigner is town now. Which leaves:

Andrius (cop - but might be recruited by now)
Chronopie (town night before last, but might be recruited)
Darox (no knowledge)
Flameaxe (no knowledge)
Lord Gurgi (town a few nights ago, but might be recruited)
Porochaz (no knowledge)
ReaperCharlie (cop - but might be recruited by now)
Quagmire (no knowledge)
Robocopter87 (cult doc - no corroboration - might be anything)
xvart (no knowledge)
Yosarian2 (confirmed/confessed cult recruit)

[ReaperCharlie]

Aaaaand.... as I just wrote that, I felt a huge nudge in the back of my brain.

----tinfoil starts here----
What if Yos2 caught vezo or Robo dropping PR tells and recruited him,
What if Andrius was recruited by Yos2 the night after that,
and then Andrius gave a 'recruited' result on Yos2, to clear him?
And Yos2 might still be a recruiter.
----tinfoil ends here----

That said, it's not my gut feeling. But my gut was totally wrong about ooba ... I'm super glad I didn't make the "I'll eat my hat" promise, because that leaves me at a perfect 0% record of hat-eating at mafiascum -- or anywhere for that matter...

So who we have left unclaimed and/or have no info about them is:

- Darox
- Flameaxe
- Porochaz
- Quagmire
- xvart

We cannot/must not lynch anyone but one of them today.

[ReaperCharlie]

My guess is that either:

a) there is still an unclaimed loose cannon out there who shot him (not sure how likely this is. I'd have thought they'd use their shot before now).
b) one or both of the cults thought I was right about ooba and decided to kill him, trying to take out the opposite recruiter, OR, the most sinister option:
c) one of the cults sorta thought there might be a slight off-chance that ooba might be the opposite recruiter, so they decided it fell in line with their goals of killing the opposite recruiter, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME knowing it would make ME look really bad for pushing ooba so hard. And would incriminate me a lot (as being in league with Andrius or w/e, which is the only way any of this would work, because Andrius said I was town N0 and therefore I could not be a recruiter). and of course
d), there is an unclaimed loose cannon who thought the same thing as c)... that I might be a recruiter, and ooba might be a recruiter, and that I was pushing him so hard because I really thought he was the opposite one, and wanted him dead.

Leaving me to believe that if d) is the case, that Darox is that unclaimed loose cannon.

My wheels are still turning about what all this means, so here is a little more on ooba/singersigner. ooba's flip originally made me write SS off, but then all of a sudden I realized that him flipping TOWN as opposed to flipping SCUM tells us a lot. Now that we know ooba flipped unrecruited, we know that singersigner wasn't lying about her ability. I am still very iffy about why me and Andrius both got no-results on ooba on Night 2. Because it's not as if anyone could have known that one (let alone TWO) cops would target him that night. MEANING, that the only way ooba is scum is if he's a reverse death anti-miller. And yes, I just said that. If he's scum, he's either that, or he's a delayed-trueflip reverse death anti-miller. Meaning we'll get his real flip tomorrow or something. Idk, I've seen that in another game.

But since that IS as ridiculous as it sounds, and since trying to base any semblance of scumhunting off that is even further along the path to insanity, we need to focus

So (barring the near-impossibility of what I said above about anti-millers), whether they knew it or not, whoever killed ooba last night just did town a HUGE favor.
- they removed the main diversion (ooba), and cleared up the floor for focusing on recruiters
- they cleared signersigner as telling the truth about doublevoting, which makes her probtown

And even if the anti-miller thing IS true, that means they just killed one of the recruiters, so it's good either way. So... I'm totally waving my little flag of happiness here in my new house. Because I can finally get somewhere on the whole ooba/SS thing, and it narrows things down A LOT for me.

[ReaperCharlie]

More later. This is quite a lot to take in and I have to think about it all.

I am interested to know Andrius' results from last night.

(and I have withheld mine for the time being on purpose, for certain reasons).

[ReaperCharlie]

P.S. After such time as Andrius reveals his results, the time will be ripe for an alliance. I know nobody will listen to me, because I was wrong about ooba. But if Andrius says somebody's a recruiter, and they flip recruiter, he should be the one to lead it. And it will include all of the people we know nothing about so far (i.e. poro, flame, xvart, darox, quag)

[Robocopter87]

No. You guys have this all wrong. If you guys believe that I am town then you must believe Andrius is town unless he started out as a recruiter. I have protected him constantly throughout the game. Unless he was recruited Night Zero then he

is

town.

If you trust me then you trust him. Simple as that.

I am pretty wary of Reaper right now. IGMEOY

[ReaperCharlie]

Your post actually sounds like town, because if you were scum then you'd understand us being suspicious of you.

Either way, I don't see your post as coming from scum. So, you've never gotten roleblock flavor?

[Robocopter87]

No I haven't, I'm questioning whether Andrius is Town or not. I mean, why would I not be roleblocked? Unless he didn't mind having a cult doc "confirming" him per say.

[ReaperCharlie]

Wait, what does saying you're wary of me accomplish? If YOU believe he is town, then you MUST by association believe I am not a recruiter. If that is the case, then what is the point of reiterating any kind of suspicion on me, as if you are telling the truth and you believe he is telling the truth, then it is impossible that I am a recruiter. And if I'm not (which I'm not) then what is the point of saying that?

Still though, I believe that Andrius is a cop. Unless there is some gambit to end all gambits going on, he has to be one. And based on my read of you, even against all my insecurities with trusting people, I almost HAVE to believe that you are town. Still, my mind keeps asking me why the cults wouldn't have tried to recruit you, or at least kill you. It DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. Therefore I still have small reason to believe that you are gambiting scum. Even though my heart tells me that you are likely NOT gambiting scum, my logical brain doesn't want me to make that commitment to itself to believe you. In other words, the exact same reason you are like that with me: leery to trust what I say. Get it?

But even so, I am 100% sick of everything tinfoil (all evidence to the contrary, heh), so that means I will be voting for one of "The Five that Remain."

Still waiting on Andrius before I lay a vote.

[ReaperCharlie]

No I haven't, I'm questioning whether Andrius is Town or not. I mean, why would I not be roleblocked? Unless he didn't mind having a cult doc "confirming" him per say.

Yeah. True.

*reluctantly pulls out tinfoil hat again*

[Robocopter87]

I dont know whats going down, I was officially confused a while ago. This game has just become totally insecure. Not a single person is confirmable due to the changing alignment every phase. This kinda makes the cop totally useless because even if they have a town result you don't even know if they themselves are town.

[ReaperCharlie]

But that would mean that one of the following had to be the case:

a) he'd have to have been faking results the whole time, which is impossible because he kept getting the same results as me, even up to Night 3 on Lord Gurgi.
b) he recruited somebody else (coincidentally an enforcer) on Night 0, they had an investigation result on ME which they then fed to him, and he used his "can't be a recruiter" status to gain town cred, probably cleared his enforcer as town, and has been having his recruited enforcer feed him results all game. And they'd be able to wing it on Day 1 without really having a plan (unless they have

daytalk

as well ... *groan*) because Andrius would be able to claim cop whenever he wanted, and could fake a result on pretty much anyone in the game because the chances of being cult on Day 1 were basically nil.

So here are Andy's results:
-investigated RC on N0 (result: town)
-investigated ooba on N1 (no result)
-investigated Lord Gurgi on N2 (result: town)
-investigated Yos2 on N3 (result: scum)


I forget... when was it that Andrius said I was town? was it Day 1, or was it after that?

And I DO admit, I have been getting these shifty vibes from Andrius all game, even though with you protecting him it doesn't MAKE SENSE that he's been recruited.

Stay online, Robo. We need to talk more about this.

[Andrius]

Robo, when did you start protecting me?

Just need a quick refresher before.
Still haven't heard from Flay...

[Chronopie]

Ideally we can add two new investigation results to this list today...

Mobsters still in the building:

1. Andrius
   - Claimed Enforcer (Supported by RC, Yosarian) - Protected by Robo since N1
   
2. Chronopie
   - Claimed Roleblocker (Supported by Yosarian2, Xvart, Flameaxe) , Investigated Town (RC#3)
   
3. inHimshallibe

   Katsuki
   Darox
   
4. Erg0
   Quagmire*
   
5. animorpherv1
   Flameaxe*
   
6. gandalf5166
   
7. Lord Gurgi
   - Investigated Town (RC#2+A#2)
   
8. ooba

   - Claimed Loose Cannon (Supported by singer, no counterclaim on zwet kill)
   
   
9. Porochaz
   
10. ReaperCharlie
    - Claimed Enforcer (Supported by Andrius), Investigated Town (A#0)
    
11. vezokpiraka
    Robocopter87
    - Claimed Consigliere (Supported by Yosarian)
    
12. TheLonging
    singersigner
    - Claimed Loose Cannon (Supported by Ooba, dayvote use)
    
13. xvart*
    
14. Yosarian2*
    - Investigated Cultist (A#3)

{Darox|Quagmire|Gandalf|Porochaz|Gurgi} were the potential scum roleblockers yesterday...

And I roleblocked Quagmire. Masculine flavour.

{Darox|Gandalf|Porochaz|Gurgi} these four individuals still have the potential to be the enemy roleblocker.

[Andrius]

Wait, Chrono, you got WHAT kind of flavor RBing quagmire?

[ReaperCharlie]

You are somewhat right about the cops being semi-useless. And I failed to expound on Andy's results above, so here I go:

Andy/ooba as recruiter/enforcer is impossible due to ooba's flip.
Andy/LG as recruiter/enforcer is impossible due to my result on Lord Gurgi (town on N3).

That leaves Andy/RC and Andy/Yos. I said above that if Andy is a recruiter and is playing this gambit, that Andy

"probably cleared his enforcer as town"

, which would make sense to do... otherwise he'd run out of results and obviously be exposed (unless he recruited another enforcer along the way, which I'll admit is possible. But he couldn't know that'd happen so he'd probably try to clear his dude ASAP).

Keep in mind that what I'm saying below can have EITHER of the parties involved being EITHER the recruiter, OR the enforcer.

So, let's check the score.

Points towards Andy/Yos being a recruiter/enforcer pair:
- Andy says he suspects Yos all game, but doesn't investigate him until Night 4? wtf
- By that time, it's pretty clear that nobody will go after cult RECRUITS until both RECRUITERS are dead. (Ok... but Yos will still be a prime target once we get the recruiters.)
- Weak bussing the entire time ("I'm gonna investigate you, d00d").

Points towards Andy/RC being a recruiter/enforcer:
- Andy cleared RC as town on Night 0.
- They're both claimed enforcers.
- They even investigated the SAME TARGETS on two nights.
- RC's N0 result on Faraday was useless because Faraday already flipped.
- Frequent pseudo-bussing ("I'm gonna investigate you AGAIN", "I bet you're scum", etc).

Ok.

Now, if I was NOT me, the obvious choice would be Andy/RC over Andy/Yos. Simply because of when he investigated me, the overlap in our targets, and so on. The only wrench in the works is that we had two investigation targets on N4: Chronopie (town) and Yosarian2 (scum). But these are both able to be explained away, because Chrono could now be in our faction as well, or because (if Andy/RC), Yos2 could be a recruit and Andy is looking for further towncred by bussing via investigation. Either way, Andy/RC is obviously the more tantalizing of the two to believe, if you're so inclined.

However, BEING me, I know that it can't possibly be me/Andy, because IT'S SIMPLY NOT.

BUT EVEN WITH ALL THAT SAID, I

STILL

THINK IT'S A BETTER BET TO GO FOR ONE OF THE FIVE GUYS WE KNOW NOTHING ABOUT.

And here are some OTHER questions:

1. Why wasn't Yos2 killed (by the cult other than his) last night? Was it because they thought I was right, and that ooba WAS the opposite recruiter, and wanted to kill HIM?

2. And if it was a Loose Cannon that killed ooba, why wouldn't they have COME FORWARD AND CONFIRMED THE OOBA/SS STORY INSTEAD OF KILLING HIM? It makes no sense for the loose cannon to have killed ooba, unless they were recruited into a cult. So either we have another Loose Cannon that's been recruited, OR the cults have a night kill. And the reason for no further NK's on the cults' parts has to be because of a Kill-or-Recruit mechanic.

That's enough to make me believe it's Kill-or-Recruit for the cults.

[Andrius]

One of those five is who I investigated.
And they're the recruiter.

I agree with Kill/Recruit.

Still waiting on:
-Flay's clarification
-Robo's clarification

[ReaperCharlie]

Robo, when did you start protecting me?

Just need a quick refresher before.
Still haven't heard from Flay...

He's claimed to have protected you since N1, after you claimed you were a cop.

Therefore, the only possible ways that would mean you were scum, would be if:

a) robo is lying about his role, or
b) you were a recruiter

[ReaperCharlie]

If you're 100% positive they're the recruiter, spit out their name so I can vote them.

Why do you have to wait on Flay?

[Chronopie]

Wait, Chrono, you got WHAT kind of flavor RBing quagmire?

Didn't I make it plain? Masculine flavour. As in Quagmire's role is male, as in not the roleblocker.

P.Edit: What Reaper said.