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Post Post #975 (ISO) » Fri Nov 19, 2010 8:03 am

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@Spyrex: Your argument is fallacious. You can't attribute the fact that Iec self meta as scum once to the fact that he's scum not for self meta-ing, especially if he has self meta before as town. Camn, on the other hand, accepts that Iec's self meta-ing is null and still sheeps your case on Iec, which is terribly scummy.
Thats not the point I've been trying to get across at all.

META ISNT THE ACTUAL ISSUE.

Its the dissonance in his voting versus what he's said I'm scum for.

Meta got brought into this because that was a huge portion of his defense for said actions.

But, with two votes on camn and sapo AND Ice saying they think camn is scum just man up and vote.

Get this done with, one way or another.
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Post Post #976 (ISO) » Fri Nov 19, 2010 8:10 am

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SX wrote:Its the dissonance in his voting versus what he's said I'm scum for.
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Post Post #977 (ISO) » Fri Nov 19, 2010 8:11 am

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And I never man up. And I want Elli to tell me who the scum are first.
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Post Post #978 (ISO) » Fri Nov 19, 2010 8:22 am

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Really.

Really.

I'm out.
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Post Post #979 (ISO) » Fri Nov 19, 2010 10:42 am

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vote: camn


This is not particularly going anywhere and I'm not sure about spyre.
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Post Post #980 (ISO) » Fri Nov 19, 2010 10:57 am

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If SpyreX (or whoever) lynches camn before Elli can post, I will be extremely annoyed.
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Post Post #981 (ISO) » Fri Nov 19, 2010 5:50 pm

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Ohh yea I'm lynching camn.

Right now in fact.
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Post Post #982 (ISO) » Fri Nov 19, 2010 5:57 pm

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I like where this game is going.
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Post Post #983 (ISO) » Fri Nov 19, 2010 6:25 pm

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Please, lord, weigh in with what I've actually said.

And that was sarcasms
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Post Post #984 (ISO) » Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:36 pm

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I am starting to believe you are wrong about icerint. The little bit of icerint saying that the back-and-forth between me and camn was 'very interesting'
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be scum who doesn't want to get involved. OR it could be a townie who is overly cautious, which would also explain why he is hesitant to join wagons. I don't mean to completely dismantle your case because I do think you made good points, but I do think that icerint has done an okay job of defending himself. Not great, because he had meta junk in there and brushed off some key points, but still okay enough for me to believe that it's plausible for him to be town.

In addition to all the reasons I gave for why camn is scum, he hasn't stopped being scummy. Within a week he went from calling icerint super-town to almost-definite-scum. I know you're persuasive, SpyreX, but she didn't even try to argue. You can easily see that her beliefs on who is scum and who is town change whenever it's convenient. I had thought that there was one more scum between icerint and nopoint, but the way camn has been pushing this has made me start believing that this could be wrong.

I think now would be an appropriate time to repeat this quote:
camn wrote:IF you really seek the death of people regardless of alignment.. then you and I totally agree.
Icerint may have pussyfooted around voting people, but at least he was actually playing the game and doing some scumhunting.

Going back to camn's silly "deadlinelynch-or-else" tirade, I have started probing into it more. She must have assumed that I was not going to stop going after her. If camn is town, and if she legitimately believed that nopoint was scum, then she was putting all of her trust in sapo, a fairly risky move. However, if you consider the possibility that she is scum, and that all three of us are town, her threats make more sense. She was threatening a quick-self-hammer to scare at least one townie off the wagon. Perhaps she believed that if she could dissuade one player, then the whole wagon would fall apart. Her words certainly seem to imply it.

There's very likely a scum between [camn and icerint]. Perhaps both of them are. But I strongly believe that at least one of them is scum, and if we happen to mislynch one of them wrong today, we should strongly consider lynching the other tomorrow. (omg mbf is setting up tomorrow's mislynch blah blah blah)
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Post Post #985 (ISO) » Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:43 pm

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The probability that I am scum with camn is relatively small. Bussing is a comparatively high-cost activity in this game, because it becomes easier and easier to find the last scum as more scum flip due to the remaining one having to set bombs.

/WIFOM, but I mean.

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Post Post #986 (ISO) » Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:51 pm

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The probability that I am scum with camn is relatively small.
Well, since I know that I am town, the probability that I am scum with camn is relatively ZERO.
But, this is not the case with you huh?

I strongly believe that at least one [camn/icerint] is scum, and if we happen to mislynch one of them wrong today, we should strongly consider lynching the other tomorrow.
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Post Post #987 (ISO) » Sat Nov 20, 2010 4:27 am

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Well, since I know that I am town, the probability that I am scum with camn is relatively ZERO.
This stuff always makes me paranoid(er).

But, I'm running out of go-juice.

Elli needs to post so we can move ahead.
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Post Post #988 (ISO) » Sat Nov 20, 2010 7:11 am

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I am skeptical that any thinking person would think I was scum with camn as anything other than an extremely outside chance to keep in mind, so yeah.

But that just makes me more want to lynch camn and less want to lynch you so.

So long as I've already gone into meta-world, I should note that I don't think I've ever bussed scum going into a day like this before. Hell, I kind of temporize a little even when a teammate is confirmed scum sometimes. Dunno how else to address MBF's concerns given that they're legit.
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Post Post #989 (ISO) » Sat Nov 20, 2010 7:15 am

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saporovirus wrote:
vote: camn


This is not particularly going anywhere and I'm not sure about spyre.
What happened to your agreement?
Do you break your word so easily?
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Post Post #990 (ISO) » Sat Nov 20, 2010 7:16 am

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mikeburnfire wrote:
I strongly believe that at least one [camn/icerint] is scum, and if we happen to mislynch one of them wrong today, we should strongly consider lynching the other tomorrow.
Agreed. But Nopoint should be in this group too.
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Post Post #991 (ISO) » Sat Nov 20, 2010 5:07 pm

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Bottom line, we lynch Camn-scum today. Me and Iec can be considered tomorrow for being on the Vezo wagon with Camn but Sapo should also be considered tomorrow for her unexplained bussing.
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Post Post #992 (ISO) » Sat Nov 20, 2010 6:26 pm

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I'd still rather hit scum right now what with the crippling scum takes at 1 member left.

BUT, I've spent all my juice.
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Post Post #993 (ISO) » Sun Nov 21, 2010 7:30 am

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Sorry guys.
I'm here.
Activity def back to normal monday night.
Catching up again.
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Post Post #994 (ISO) » Sun Nov 21, 2010 8:28 am

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Ok
this comp is having big difficulty loading stuff and i'm not sure if this post will get through
i'll be able to get to stable area tonight and def post stuff then
from what's on this page:
I've thought camn was town whole game but I might have missed something in pages I can't see...
and i've never gotten the case on nopoint (camn).
Would still prefer one of Yerk/Spy...and seeing the overlap with a few other groupings is in Yerk.
yeah...will be able to view stuff tongith.
sorry for all the delays.
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Post Post #995 (ISO) » Sun Nov 21, 2010 8:47 am

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nopointinactingup wrote:Bottom line, we lynch Camn-scum today. Me and Iec can be considered tomorrow for being on the Vezo wagon with Camn but Sapo should also be considered tomorrow for her unexplained bussing.
1st: I would support a Sapo lynch TODAY for untrustworthiness.
But I still would rather stick with someone on the Veso wagon.
Tomorrow, if I die, you should DEF hone in on the Vezo wagon.

2nd: the problem with you position on me is this:
You don't have the support for a lynch
, and I am town.
Can you grind out the day fabricating crapcases and jumping on everything I say... and eventually pull a deadline lynch on me? Sure.
But you will have wasted pages of discussion and sapped the energy of the entire town in the process. That is why
I WOULD RATHER SELF HAMMER
than put the town through this.

Me dying NOW avoids the momentum-drain that pushing my mislynch till deadline would bring, as well as narrowing the scum-pool on the veso lynch.

SO DO IT, OR I WILL!

Saporo: I see you have broken your agreement.

That makes all 3 of you in the Disagree category, no?
If so, I self hammer.
If I am wrong.. then get your face back in gear.

Consider this fair warning.
If Saporo confirms that he is violating his agreement, and noone convinces me otherwise, I die tonight.
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Post Post #996 (ISO) » Sun Nov 21, 2010 10:32 am

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Stop trying to browbeat Sapo.

Stop threatening to hammer yourself. Just do it. Oh, wait. You won't. This is all just an act to scare townies away.
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Post Post #997 (ISO) » Sun Nov 21, 2010 11:16 am

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I would like to give Saporo a chance to explain first, wouldn't you?
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Post Post #998 (ISO) » Sun Nov 21, 2010 6:06 pm

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Saporo named SX and camn as the two scum in her replace-in post. It's not as if her wanting to lynch camn is a surprise (as NP frames it).
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Post Post #999 (ISO) » Sun Nov 21, 2010 6:20 pm

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Camn: if you're town, you're being incredibly selfish. Your contributions lately: "One of the scum is on the vezo wagon. OMG ALL U PEOPLE VOTING FOR ME I WILL TAKE THIS RIDICULOUS STANCE RATHER THAN ATTEMPTING TO ADDRESS ANY OF YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT ME OR SCUMHUNT. I WILL TAKE A FEW PAGES TO DO THIS. Ohai Spyrex you made a good case, Iec's scum. OMG SAPO I WOULD LIKE TO LYNCH U FOR NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES I MADE UP BECAUSE THIS GAME IS ABOUT ME AND HOW I AM TOWN MOSTLY OK. I WILL SELF HAMMER BECUZ MY LIFE IS A VALE OF TEARS AND THIS WILL PROVE STUFF SOMEHOW."

But I'm not going to let you self-hammer.

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