Mafia 121 -- Picking Simplicity Game Over

[eldarad]

We lynch Nacho today and Jack tomorrow.

Wait, you want to lynch Jack for a proven fake-SK claim? So what do you think his real role is? You think the mafia are counterclaiming the SK?

As for nachocop, I would like to hear from him, but I too think that the "moderation error" implies that nacho was sincere about his cop result.

VOTE: Haylen

[Jack]

lmp, you were so town before

But a fast wagon on someone who has a claimed guilty on them and has claimed SK is not likely to be scum driven. And RedCoyote is the most likely to be scum from that group. And haylen's play is very scummy. And that antihero end note is so scumbuddyish.

[Haylen]

I think he was CCing the real SK.

OMG. THIS IS RIDICULOUS

Good to know I've found 4 out of 4 though.

[Empking]

Oh, I found the other scum. Three out of four down!

That is a blatant misrep and you know it. I've stated my reasons for believed Nacho to be scum, do I need to pick one now? Has mafia really come down to needing one good reason to lynch someone, rather than many reasons?

So is just a coincidence that you came up with the new reason after your original reason was rebutted?

LMP: It seemed very unlikely that UK was the SK. (The "actual" SK counterclaimed.)

[Haylen]

It wasn't rebutted! I proved it! Look at the damn quotes.

[Jack]

Oh, I found the other scum. Three out of four down!

That is a blatant misrep and you know it. I've stated my reasons for believed Nacho to be scum, do I need to pick one now? Has mafia really come down to needing one good reason to lynch someone, rather than many reasons?

If "he fakeclaimed cop with a guilty on someone" is what

causes

someone to believe nacho is scum, then that is what they say--they aren't further persuaded by "as cop he wouldn't have held onto a guilty for so long". The second is just an argument to try and add suspicion to someone masquerading as genuine belief.

[Haylen]

FFS, Stop using semantics. UK was right, you're all playing effing ridiculously.

[Jack]

Antihero--lmp--haylen--Red? We have several huge question marks still but I'm pretty happy with this.

[Haylen]

oh. dear. god.

Come on. Give me a case against me. Then I can rebut that and you'll have to eat your words. Although, I could just fight back using countersemantics and non-sequitors, but that would just be a waste of a good rant.

[Jack]

Secret scumtell.

[Haylen]

We have played one game together. The only way you would know my secret scumtells are if Nacho told you them and the only way he could do that would be if you were scum together. Go on, out with it. What is the apparently oh so amazing mystical secret scumtell I have?

Why cant people see this.

Nacho claimed cop with guilty on UK.
UK flight SK.
SK is investigative immune.
Thus Nacho must be lying.

And now, he has been coached by someone who i cant remember into sayign that that mod error must have been due to that.

[Nocmen]

Nice to see you actually contributing Haylen. Apologies for me not being there at the end of yesterday, I was very LA since saturday evening.
Jack: That's a very curious quote from LMP.
LMP: Why do you think of the people on the wagon, Eld would be more likely to be scum than the others (with Emp obviously on top of them from your vote)? Especially because you haven't expressed any concern of him previously.

I really need to hear more from Anti and Lowell in particular. Especially Anti.

I don't know what to think if Nacho is the cop, whether that was the mistake or not. I still don't think that's enough reason to attack Nacho right now just because of that. It's the most obvious possibility for the mod error, but that doesn't mean it has to be that.

[Haylen]

Thanks! ^_^ I've remembered why I don't play large games, there's a massive overload of information and my brain shuts down >.<

The wagon on me is stupid. They are all scum.

[eldarad]

Based on the speed of that lynch, I guarantee you there is 2 scum on the back end. That puts 2 scum (possibly 3) in {Xine, Empking, RedCoyote, Lowell, Eldarad}. My money is on Eld and Empking. Both voted on that wagon on the tail end with completely content-less posts (ie just votes). They weren't interested in considering the ramifications of lynching the SK.

So you think that the speed of the lynch of a player who claimed SK, but then had nacho claim a guilty result on him, was excessive to the point that 2 or 3 of the last 5 (but not the first 4) are mafia?
What is significant about the 5th vote that makes it indicative of mafia compared to the 4th vote?

Why do you automatically discount the possibility of UKmafia fakeclaiming SK to buy a Day or two? That's a one-way bet for mafia, surely - why do you think it is so unlikely that you jump to "ramifactions of lynching the SK" as if it was a foregone conclusion?

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I think he was CCing the real SK.

Why?!

Why cant people see this.

Nacho claimed cop with guilty on UK.
UK flight SK.
SK is investigative immune.
Thus Nacho must be lying.

Or...
UK claims SK and suggests he can be a vig
nacho has a guilty on UK so knows/thinks UK is lying
nacho claims his guilty result
there was a mod error

[Jack]

Yeah, LMP wagon is the best way to go right now.

Vote:LMP

[eldarad]

Or...
UK claims SK and suggests he can be a vig
nacho has a guilty on UK so knows/thinks UK is lying
nacho claims his guilty result
there was a mod error

meh. Or move the 1st line down to below the 3rd line, which would be more like what actually happened...
Doesn't really detract from the point though.

[Rena]

UK claims SK and suggests he can be a vig
nacho has a guilty on UK so knows/thinks UK is lying
nacho claims his guilty result
there was a mod error

Then why is he still alive?

[Haylen]

UK claims SK and suggests he can be a vig
nacho has a guilty on UK so knows/thinks UK is lying
nacho claims his guilty result
there was a mod error

Then why is he still alive?

Nice modding account, Hayl. Smoooooth. -_-

[Jack]

I tracked LMP last night. He visited nopoint.

Haylen, switch to LMP.

[Haylen]

Sorry Jack, there's no tracker in the game. And yes, I did just check

[Jack]

Seriously, you checked? Well you didn't know (apparently) that there was a doctor, so I thought I'd test you.

[Empking]

UK claims SK and suggests he can be a vig
nacho has a guilty on UK so knows/thinks UK is lying
nacho claims his guilty result
there was a mod error

Then why is he still alive?

Doc or you decided to leave him alive so you can play like this today. (I'm betting doc though.)

[Haylen]

Trouble is, nacho could not be proven to be protected because there was a kill last night.

Empking. I dont plan ahead when im scum.

[Haylen]

Also, I REMEMBER HOW TO PLAY!

[Nachomamma8]

Xine is innocent. For sure.

The UK result was a mod error.

Vote: Nocumen

, triggered from #836. I'll post more in a moment.