ATHF Mafia OVER(roles and whatnot revealed)

[Untrod Tripod]

Votecount (as of this post):
implosion: 3 (Fate, Nacho, VasudeVa, VibeBox) L-3
Seacore: 3 (implosion, podium, Zdenek) L-4
VibeBox: 2 (Magna, Seacore) L-5

[Nachomamma8]

Gosh UT, you're active lurking almost as badly as I am!

[implosion]

He knows he's actively lurking, and doesn't want to do anything about it, but I don't know if that makes him scum.

Why not?

...I don't know. My best guess would be that in this context, I don't think your active lurking is motivated by your alignment, I think it's motivated by your desire to sheep Fate.

The first paragraph of Vibe's post interests me. It seems somewhat retroactive, but it makes sense. I think he's town if he actually has a reason for voting me, because I really doubt he would say something like this (that he was hoping to draw fire to end the RVS) as scum.

You might be saying words here, but all I hear is "VIBE IS MY PARTNER THAT IS BUSSING ME BUT I JUST WANT HIM TO KNOW THAT HE BETTER MAKE A GOOD VOTE EXPLANATION POST SO YOU CAN COLLECT ON YOUR TOWNCRED POINTS".
nah mean?

If you think he's bussing, then why would he put me in the ??? category?

[Seacore]

If you think he's bussing, then why would he put me in the ??? category?

It's not uncommon for scum to want to undermine the wagno they're bussing. That way they save their scum buddy but if that scum buddy ever flips scum they can say "But I voted for them back in blah"

[Nachomamma8]

you + you = no sense making

which means that no sense making = 2you =/= you OR you.

seperate thyselves and resume the sense making.

[Nachomamma8]

I DEMAND THE SEACORE WAGON FALL APART.
IT IS UNACCEPTABLE TO HAVE A WAGON THAT IS EQUAL TO OR LARGER THAN THE WAGON THAT FATE IS LEADING.

[Seacore]

Nacho, I have no idea what the hell you are trying to say in 429

[implosion]

UT, did Vibe's vote magically disappear and is podium/Zdenek a doublevoter? Or did I just misread the vote count?

How would they be doublevoters? also Vibe unvoted in his ISO 10

[Fate]

[Obligatory bandwagon comment:] VIBE HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU HAVE A ??? READ ON IMPLOSION, AND WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU VOTE HIM OVER SEACORE?[/comment]

[Fate]

edwop: I still want you to keep your vote on implosion, as he is obvscum, but I need you to explain your madness so that Seacore can resume his place on the GREAT WAGON OF JUSTICE.

[Seacore]

I'm more than happy to return to implosion, if we want to lynch Vibe's scum buddy first.

[podium123456]

Since Podium asked, here is what I think of Podium's case Ghostwriter, referring to posts 254 and 259: Basically, I think Podium does a good job of arguing against GW's case on him, but doesn't give a good argument the GW is scum. I agree that GW's case on Podium was weak, but early in the game, pushing a weak case isn't necessarily scummy. Though, continuing to push it can be.

Thanks for commenting.

I'll say that:

A: GW pushed hard and was prepared to lynch me based on that case... he only backed off after the wagon evaporated.

B: I disagree with you saying the lies i caught him making aren't a good argument that he is scum.

[Fate]

I'm more than happy to return to implosion, if we want to lynch Vibe's scum buddy first.

This post is missing an UNVOTE VOTE IMPLOSION.

K thank you and come again soon.

[VasudeVa]

Lol, what? Did Vibebox actually vote for his ????reads before his actual Scumreads?

[Nachomamma8]

I'm more than happy to return to implosion, if we want to lynch Vibe's scum buddy first.

This post is missing an UNVOTE VOTE IMPLOSION.

K thank you and come again soon.

HURRY KID YOU DON'T HAVE MUCH TIME

[implosion]

UT, did Vibe's vote magically disappear and is podium/Zdenek a doublevoter? Or did I just misread the vote count?

How would they be doublevoters? also Vibe unvoted in his ISO 10

He voted me in ISO 14, and I'm pretty sure 3 voters = L-4, not L-3.

Fixed it. Thanks for pointing that out. Not sure how I missed his vote...derp.

edwop: I still want you to keep your vote on implosion, as he is obvscum, but I need you to explain your madness so that Seacore can resume his place on the GREAT WAGON OF JUSTICE.

I honestly don't see why you're tunneling me. You haven't even expounded a case on me... in fact only VV has, and I've responded to what's been said.

[Nachomamma8]

blah blah blah
Do not challenge the mighty Fate.

[Fate]

I'd like everyone off the Golden Wagon to read implosion's last two posts and then tell me why they aren't voting him.

[GhostWriter]

Because he's not scum.

[Zdenek]

Too scum to be scum followed by fence-sitting noted.

Not too scum to be scum, I just think VibeBox's posts are bad. He's now explained that he was experimenting with a new style. For the time being, this explanation for his early posts is good enough for me.

However, VibeBox, why are you not voting someone on your scum list?

As far as why I am not voting Implosion: I think seacore is more likely to be scum. However, town has to co-operate to win, and if it comes down to a deadline, I'd be willing to vote implosion too.

Ghostwriter: would you mind explaining the stronger cases than yours that rose and fell while you were pushing for a podium lynching?

[Seacore]

I've seen scum claim to be experimenting with a new style, apologise and then try to play nice. Then they flip scum, hey MoI?

I'm going to be V/LA all weekend, and my grandfather just died. Unfortunately my V/LA destination, unlike last weekend, is sans-3G, so unless I get some internet access some other way I'll be gone til Monday.

unvote. vote implosion

I think they're scummy independently of each other, but I also think they are buddies. If implosion gets lynched, at this stage, I'll be pushing for vibe's lynch tomorrow.

"Oh no, Seacore is setting up a lynch for tomorrow, that's so scummy"

No, I'm merely stating my current strong belief that these two are scum, and likely scum together.

[GhostWriter]

What is that? L-1? Wait for him to come back and claim. I think it should be good.

[Seacore]

No, that's L-2

[GhostWriter]

Ah! So it is.

[Seacore]

And a person shouldn't claim at L-1, they should claim when they are at L-1 AND somebody says they are willing to hammer.