Open 226: Big Love - Game over! Town wins!

[pickemgenius]

Where's your RedCoyote vote, slacker? Do you want to win this game yes/no?

RedCoyote certainly is someone who I could see myself voting for, as when I looked back at all the known scum there was very little mention of coyote or whom he replaced.

[DrippingGoofball]

So let's do it!

[DrippingGoofball]

Can we do it faster? I'm getting old...

[RedCoyote]

DGB, are you ready to join with me yet? Priority-wise, I'd prefer a pickem lynch over a no lynch. I just voted no lynch because I thought it would be easier to get through.

The more I think about it though, the more I think maybe you'll acquiesce on the grounds that we're effectively the only two left playing this game. Hear me out, because this could be construed as a bit of a radical argument. Wouldn't you rather take a shot at lynching pickem than sitting here waiting indefinitely for him or someone who would replace him? Even if you think I'm more likely to be scum, you don't know for sure. hito was convinced that I was town. Ythill was strongly in favor of me as town for the majority of the previous day... My proposal is that we'll get this game done, and your conscience will be clean either way. After all, it's not your fault that the game is stagnating. Rather than drag this game out any longer, you went with the logical alternative. You can argue 'til you're blue in the face that you know I'm scum, but that doesn't change the fact that there's no one here to listen to you except for me.

It's just an added benefit that I am actually town, btw.

[pickemgenius]

DGB, are you ready to join with me yet? Priority-wise, I'd prefer a pickem lynch over a no lynch. I just voted no lynch because I thought it would be easier to get through.

The more I think about it though, the more I think maybe you'll acquiesce on the grounds that we're effectively the only two left playing this game. Hear me out, because this could be construed as a bit of a radical argument. Wouldn't you rather take a shot at lynching pickem than sitting here waiting indefinitely for him or someone who would replace him? Even if you think I'm more likely to be scum, you don't know for sure. hito was convinced that I was town. Ythill was strongly in favor of me as town for the majority of the previous day... My proposal is that we'll get this game done, and your conscience will be clean either way. After all, it's not your fault that the game is stagnating. Rather than drag this game out any longer, you went with the logical alternative. You can argue 'til you're blue in the face that you know I'm scum, but that doesn't change the fact that there's no one here to listen to you except for me.

It's just an added benefit that I am actually town, btw.

Holy shit is this just terrible.

Like if there were a random post feature and this one came up, this would be insta voted. Are you seriously forgetting that even if I am here then shit still can't get done? I certainly hope you realized this when you were posting this, because it seems to be by the tone of this that you didn't. I am not being hasty merely because I have recognized my vote sitting on you serves no tangible purpose at this juncture in time, as a no lynch *does* make sense since in certain scenarios, and I feel as if dgb is insistent for certain reasons.

[RedCoyote]

Like I said, it's a bit of a radical argument, I fully acknowledge that, but if it would speak to anyone, it would speak to DGB (who is obviously my hardest sell at this point).

I'm not sure what you're talking about on the "shit can't get done" argument. Why would we need you to be here or not to lynch you? Our fates were effectively sealed yesterday, and I'm okay with that. I can put you in the mafia far before I can the other two. It's more likely that we'll get 2 active players and 1 inactive player to lynch you than it is to get 1 active player and 2 inactive players to lynch me.

[DrippingGoofball]

I am bothered by ZeroFang/pickemgenius' indecision, mega-lurking, and obv-not-ready-the-game.

UNVOTE: RedCoyote

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Day Seven: Vote Count 2

• No Lynch (RedCoyote) 1 L-1

Not voting: DrippingGoofball, Mr.Sandman, pickemgenius

With 4 alive, 3 votes are required for a lynch.

V/LA:

Activity Check!

The gang's all here!

Prod Count:

Muthaa, smashbro_of_the_SSS - 2

chihuahua0, millar13, Mr. Sandman, pickemgenius, Pittbunny, Reverse Simplicity, Sanxion, Shattered Viewpoint, Switz, youngminii - 1

The deadline for Day Seven is Thursday, 2nd December at 8pm UK time.

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm also worried that RedCoyote isn't voting for pickemgenius.

[DrippingGoofball]

Deadline in 7 days, folks...

[Mr.Sandman]

Whoa

DGB, are you ready to join with me yet? Priority-wise, I'd prefer a pickem lynch over a no lynch. I just voted no lynch because I thought it would be easier to get through.

The more I think about it though, the more I think maybe you'll acquiesce on the grounds that we're effectively the only two left playing this game. Hear me out, because this could be construed as a bit of a radical argument. Wouldn't you rather take a shot at lynching pickem than sitting here waiting indefinitely for him or someone who would replace him? Even if you think I'm more likely to be scum, you don't know for sure. hito was convinced that I was town. Ythill was strongly in favor of me as town for the majority of the previous day... My proposal is that we'll get this game done, and your conscience will be clean either way. After all, it's not your fault that the game is stagnating. Rather than drag this game out any longer, you went with the logical alternative. You can argue 'til you're blue in the face that you know I'm scum, but that doesn't change the fact that there's no one here to listen to you except for me.

It's just an added benefit that I am actually town, btw.

Dp you not find this post scummy, DGB? I thought this would've confirmed you rather than put you off

[Mr.Sandman]

I agree with you on pickem though. I would've expected him to have put forward some thoughts on the players remaining about the game as a whole

[Mr.Sandman]

*sigh* you know I'm voting Zaj, right don?

Last time I simply updated Dizzy's vote count. This time I ISOed everyone and double checked everything. As it turns out, SSS was voting Zajnet this whole time. I didn't check to see if there were any other errors at that time, but assuming there wasn't, that was a hammer. Mr. Sandman and his unnoticed comment were right. That's a lynch. Don't take my error-ridden word for it. Check it yourself.

However

, should we choose to simply skip the hammer and continue going about the game normally, we would get something more like this. It should be more accurate considering I did it from ISOs and made it from scratch.


Switz, Robocopter87, don_johnson, DavidParker, and ZeroFang are all voting for

Zajnet

. That's 5 votes, putting him at

L-3

. If you count SSS's vote thats 6, and L-2, but since he's requested replaced I'm not sure whether it counts or not.

Zajnet, Sanxion, Mr.Sandman, and mallowgeno are all voting for

Robo

. 4 votes,

L-4

.

Enigma has a lone, useless vote on

don

. 1 vote,

L-7

.

Muthaa has a lone, useless vote on

wacka

. 1 vote

L-7

.

Something doesn't sit right with me about this post. Firstly, is it not more than convenient that for scum to search through and find a lynch of a townie, a lynch he wasn't part of? A townie who wasn't on the lynch, why would they bother, when they have no desire to have that person lynched? The whole, skip the hammer and continue the game, thing, seems improbable to me as well. I can't think of any mod who would say just play on if a majority was missed, which makes his effort to look as though the lynch didn't really happen, contrived.

[DrippingGoofball]

I know... I have a serious problem with pickemgenius. It's like he's just lurking, and even stalling to hammer anyone but himself.

[RedCoyote]

Be fair, you'd be on my case if I was voting him just the same. If it makes you feel better:

Unvote

;

vote: pickemegenius

[DrippingGoofball]

If pickemgenius doesn't cast a vote in his next post, he will get my vote.

[Mr.Sandman]

DGB, you still haven't really commented on

that

post of RC's. I can't ignore it and it has scum written all over it pretty much

[DrippingGoofball]

Same goes for pickemgenius.

[pickemgenius]

Same goes for pickemgenius.

I so have.

Can't hold back now.
VOTE: RedCoyote

[DrippingGoofball]

Pffffffffffffffffft

You didn't even read the game.

[DrippingGoofball]

Alright Sandman, the game is in our hands. With pickemgenius and RedCoyote voting for each other, we need to decide which is scum and join forces.

[Mr.Sandman]

I still haven't completely written you off either but the fact that neither of the other two have mentioned it probably says something. What's your feeling? My hearts says pickem, but my head says RC just for that post

[RedCoyote]

Like I said, it's a bit of a radical argument, I fully acknowledge that, but if it would speak to anyone, it would speak to DGB

[DrippingGoofball]

Well, it's one of these two for sure.

But pickem's not-reading-the-game and obv-BS'ing and lurking certainly point to him being scum.

[DrippingGoofball]

chihuahua0

(

don_johnson

, smashbro_of_the_SSS,

Robocopter87

, ZeroFang,

yabbaguy

) 5 (L-5)

Muthaa

(

Sanxion

,

Xite91

,

chihuahua0

) 3 (L-7)

Reverse Simplicity

(Mr.Sandman) 1 (L-9)

Robocopter87

(

Muthaa

) 1 (L-9)

Wacka Alpaca/Miyu

(

Shattered Viewpoint

) 1 (L-9)

Xite91

(

youngminii

) 1 (L-9)

yabbaguy

(

Wacka Alpaca/Miyu

,

millar13

) 2 (L-8)

Not voting:

Fidelis

,

Guthrie

,

PaltryExcuse

,

Pittbunny

,

Reverse Simplicity

One of Red(smashbro)/ZF is scum distancing on the early Chi wagon.

AGREED - if not BOTH.

They're both equally bad, so this wagon isn't informative.

chihuahua0

(

don_johnson

, smashbro_of_the_SSS,

Xite9

) 3 (L-7)

millar13

(

chihuahua0

, ZeroFang, Mr.Sandman,

Robocopter87

,

Wacka Alpaca/Miyu

,

Sanxion

1,

Shattered Viewpoint

) 7 (L-3)

Robocopter87

(

Muthaa

,

Pittbunny

) 2 (L-8)

Xite91

(

youngminii

) 1 (L-9)

Not voting:

Fidelis

,

Guthrie

,

millar13

,

PaltryExcuse

,

Reverse Simplicity

,

yabbaguy

Wasn't ZF just voting chi? Now he's willing to follow him? At least one more scum

must

be on that wagon.

NOT QUITE AGREEING, ZF, Sandman and Wacka get tiny townie points here.

I doubt that ALL the scum would be voting millar, here, the one holding back is prob scum (RedCoyote).

chihuahua0

(smashbro_of_the_SSS) 1 (L-9)

millar13

(ZeroFang, Mr.Sandman,

Sanxion

1,

chihuahua0

) 4 (L-6)

Robocopter87

(

Xite9

) 1 (L-9)

Xite91

(

youngminii

,

Pittbunny

,

Fidelis

,

Robocopter87

,

yabbaguy

,

millar13

,

don_johnson

,

Wacka Alpaca/Miyu

,

Muthaa

) 9 (L-1)

Not voting:

Enigma

,

PaltryExcuse

,

Shattered Viewpoint

,

Zajnet

Why didn't SV hammer? Extreme buddying, playing the long game, or a teammate looking bad on the wagon? Wacka's vote came with a blathered explanation. If it's the long game, then Red's slot looks bad because if the chi bus was the plan from the begining, that would explain why smash parked there for most of D1.

WACKA is 100% SCUM NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.

Smashbro(RedCoyote) looks a little worse here.

chihuahua0

(smashbro_of_the_SSS,

don_johnson

,

Fidelis

,

Sanxion

1,

Robocopter87

, ZeroFang) 6 (L-4)

millar13

(Mr.Sandman,

chihuahua0

) 2 (L-8)

Robocopter87

(

Xite9

) 1 (L-9)

Xite91

(

Switz

,

Pittbunny

,

millar13

,

Muthaa

,

Shattered Viewpoint

) 5 (L-5)

Not voting:

Enigma

,

DavidParker

,

yabbaguy

,

Zajnet

,

Wacka Alpaca/Miyu

Chi's been tunneling on Millar all day, ZF and Sanx both came off of the Millar wagon and ended up on chi. Maybe I missed a stepping-stone vote in the interim but it looks like they both avoided hot-topic Xite while crossing to what may be a bus.

chihuahua0

(smashbro_of_the_SSS,

don_johnson

,

Fidelis

,

Sanxion

1,

Robocopter87

,

DavidParker

,

Zajnet

,

yabbaguy

,

millar13

,

Shattered Viewpoint

) 10 (L-0)

millar13 (Mr.Sandman,

chihuahua0

) 2 (L-8)

Robocopter87

(

Xite9

) 1 (L-9)

Xite91

(

Switz

,

Pittbunny

,

Muthaa

, ZeroFang) 4 (L-6)

Not voting:

Enigma

,

Wacka Alpaca/Miyu

I'm still hestitant to believe that SV was the only scum on that wagon, seeing as how it was the optimal D1 scum play. Then again, there's WIFOM in that.

AGREED that SMASHBRO LOOKS BAD.

Enigma

(

DavidParker

) 1 L-8

Shattered Viewpoint

(

Switz

, Mr.Sandman, smashbro_of_the_SSS,

Zajnet

,

Sanxion

,

mallowgeno

,

don_johnson

,

millar13

,

Shattered Viewpoint

) 9 L-0

Zajnet

(

yabbaguy

) 1 L-8

Not voting:

Enigma

,

Muthaa

,

Robocopter87

,

Wacka Alpaca/Miyu

, ZeroFang

This VC presents a decent argument against a ZF-

Miyu

team. I really can't imagine scum self-hammering when two buddies are leaning towards a bus. It robs them of much-needed townie credit for no good reason. However, SV has seen me catch scum using this tell before, so it's possible he saw it as an opportune moment to pull the wool over my eyes. I guess time will tell...

Sandman and smashbro not looking good.

mallowgeno

(

Zajnet

,

Robocopter87

,

don_johnson

) 3 L-5

Muthaa

(

mallowgeno

) 1 L-7

Robocopter87

(Mr.Sandman) 1 L-7

Wacka Alpaca/Miyu

(

Sanxion

,

Muthaa

) 2 L-6

Zajnet

(

Switz

, ZeroFang) 2 L-6

Not voting:

DavidParker

,

Enigma

,

millar13

, smashbro_of_the_SSS,

Wacka Alpaca/Miyu

Here's the another instance where the scum are showing no interest in lynching the mallow/Xite slot. IMO, this suggests that SV's earlier lack of a hammer was buddying and that the slot was being groomed as a late-game mislynch. We should look for scum defending Xite D1, and linking him to each other in the mid game.

mallowgeno

(

Zajnet

) 1 L-7

Wacka Alpaca/Miyu

(

Sanxion

,

Muthaa

) 2 L-6

Zajnet

(

Switz

, ZeroFang, smashbro_of_the_SSS,

don_johnson

,

Robocopter87

, Mr.Sandman,

DavidParker

,

mallowgeno

) 8 L-0

Not voting:

Enigma

,

millar13

,

Wacka Alpaca/Miyu

All townie milsynch on D3? Methinks no. A

Miyu

-Sanx team looks unlikely.

ZF, Sandman and smashbro not looking good.

Robocopter87

(

mallowgeno

,

Sanxion

,

Miyu

) 3 L-4

Miyu

(

Robocopter87

,

Muthaa

,

DavidParker

,

Enigma

,

drmyshottyizsik

) 5 L-2

Not voting: Mr.Sandman, RedCoyote,

Switz

, ZeroFang

This is my favorite VC ever.

Miyu

hovers @ an all town L-2 with 3/5 of the unconfirmed not voting. Note that she is conveniently suspicious of the only other guy with a prayer of getting lynched. I like this VC so much that I reread several pages surrounding the situation and will be discussing it in a separate post in the near future.

AGREED.

mallowgeno

(

Enigma

) 1 L-6

Miyu

(

Muthaa

, Mr.Sandman) 2 L-5

Robocopter87

(

mallowgeno

,

Sanxion

,

Miyu

, RedCoyote, ZeroFang,

drmyshottyizsik

,

DavidParker

) 7 L-0

Sanxion

(

Robocopter87

) 1 L-6

Not voting:

Switz

This was a very shady lynch. At least one scum has to be on it and my guess is both are.

Miyu

, RedCoyote, ZeroFang BAD BAD BAD

DavidParker

(

Miyu

) 2 L-3

mallowgeno

(Ythill, RedCoyote) 2 L-3

Miyu

(

Muthaa

,

DavidParker

,

mallowgeno

) 3 L-2

Muthaa

(ZeroFang) 1 L-4

Not voting: Mr.Sandman,

Sanxion

So I've got this theory I can't shake where the scum were two men down and about to lose a third when Wacka got pissed and replaced out. Then

Miyu

came in and wowed you all with her mad skillz and her "lurking is scummy" (post post post) "bandwagoning is scummy" (park park park) strategy and you lynched Robo. Then, D5 started and three smart townies were like, "No, really, we're going to lynch her today." Then I came in and fudged it all up but... look who followed me...

Red hadn't even finished reading the game. He had no reason to trust me. I've got obv on my avatar FFS, did he think I wouldn't seem pro-town as scum? Often, when I start swinging my weight around, the scum like to hide in my shadow and help me to be wrong.

DavidParker

(

Miyu

) 2 L-3

mallowgeno

(RedCoyote,

DavidParker

, Ythill) 3 L-2

Miyu

(

Muthaa

,

mallowgeno

) 2 L-3

Muthaa

(ZeroFang) 1 L-4

Not voting: Mr.Sandman,

Sanxion

I got off for a minute and then got back on, but pressure was being directed away from the all-town wagon and Red was happy staying put.

DavidParker

(

Miyu

, Ythill) 2 L-3

mallowgeno

(RedCoyote,

DavidParker

) 2 L-3

Miyu

(

hitogoroshi

,

mallowgeno

, Mr.Sandman) 3 L-2

Muthaa

(ZeroFang) 1 L-4

Not voting:

Sanxion

Note that Sand didn't join the

Miyu

wagon until pressure faded, this in spite of the fact that he'd been attacking her hard during the previous day and his only other suspect had been revealed town. My vote was a feeler. Though I'd found the false caveat, I still found

Miyu

suspicious and I wanted to see what would happen if I backed her up for a minute. At fisrt glance, it seemed like nothing had...

DavidParker

(

Miyu

) 1 L-4

mallowgeno

(

DavidParker

, Ythill,

hitogoroshi

, RedCoyote) 4 L-1

Miyu

(

mallowgeno

, Mr. Sandman) 2 L-3
Muthaa (

ZeroFang

) 1 L-4

Not voting:

Sanxion

...until I looked at this VC and wondered how Red got onto the end of the mallow wagon. It was him briefly following me onto DP only to slide right back onto the more popular wagon behind me. Again, why the trust? He didn't question me once and I was wrong on both counts. Plus, I could have been scum from his PoV. And why does it seem like he's willing to lynch anyone but

Miyu

?

DavidParker

(

Miyu

, Mr. Sandman) 2 L-3

mallowgeno

(

DavidParker

, Ythill,

hitogoroshi

, RedCoyote) 4 L-1

Miyu

(

mallowgeno

) 1 L-4

Muthaa

(ZeroFang) 1 L-4

Not voting:

Sanxion

This was a very strange vote from Sandman. Remember, he'd been tunelled on

Miyu

-as-scum for a long time. Then, inexplicably, he joined her momentarily on David. I'd really like an explanation.

DavidParker

(

Miyu

) 1 L-2

mallowgeno

(

DavidParker

, Ythill,

hitogoroshi

, RedCoyote, Mr. Sandman) 5 L-0

Miyu

(

mallowgeno

) 1 L-4
Muthaa (ZeroFang) 1 L-4

Not voting:

Sanxion

RecCoyoye, Sandman -

DO NOT LIKE

I'm getting lazy, but RedCoyote's voting record is consistently worse that ZF/pickem. However, pickem's behavior today is pure scum.