xvart wrote:My point about my love of bussing is that one of my faults is that I can't easily identify people that couldn't be scum together, which is because I love a good bus and find it difficult to rule anything out as "definitely not a bus." This is why I asked you to point out why they couldn't be scum together, so if you don't mind, please do so. Also, what about my predecessors play was scummy?
Now you are going into wifom. Why would scum, (we are talking about ant scum here, because the choices were ant/mike and ant/acm) continuously attack someone, mike, throughout the game and blatantly ignore(and I mean, not comment at all, except when he was giving a summary on all players) a townie(not believing it) through 2 days of action. And of course mad returned the favor. That is all the connections that i need. And I already explained, why acm is not scum. I am not going to believe when scum are so close to winning that they would automatically bus their partner.
As i said, it it not what your predecessor did do, it is what your predecessor did not do. Hence PoE.
xvart wrote:If there is a cop and he confirms at least one other slot then I would feel better about moving forward. As it stands, we are in MYLO and the best course of action unless we are 100% certain that we have nailed scum, is to go into night with a no lynch. And to be completely honest, I haven't completely discounted you as scum despite you more than likely being the doctor and No Lynching would confirm if you were town or not, because you would be dead unless you were scum. Of course there is obviously the problem with scum throwing WIFOM by killing someone else but I seriously doubt they would do that in a newbie game when they might not kill at all if you did protect their target. You're a smart enough player that coming into your slot with everyone else pretty much confirmed as not the doctor that it would be a safe play. Scum know more about the setup than we do, and if you were scum you would also have a QT that says "shat. we forgot to submit a kill because we lurked" or whatever.
But like I said, I'm steering away from that because it is a little too tin foil hate conspiracy theory.
If the bolded is true, why are you even talking about no-lynching? If the bolded is true, why aren't you making a case against someone instead? why are you spending most of your time talking to me? If the bolded is true, wouldn't I be the most town read you got? If the bolded is true, would it not seem most likely to you that I will die tonight if you no-lynch? If the bolded is true, why would you want your best town read to die? I don't think you believe the bolded. I think you are scum, trying to make it look like you believe the bolded. Having your best town read die, just to prove that he was town, is just stupid. just plain stupid. It makes absolutely no sense, whatsoever. How is that helping to catch scum? And only it is only something that scum would pull. Seriously, no-lynching now, would only make it, so that there would not be me or civil alive in the second lylo. Why would town player even think of such a thing? And yes, xvart, I as scum in our last game advocated for the no-lynch. Why? One less townie to fool. Think about it.
And for the rest of you- think about whether you really want a no-lynch. And if you don't make sure it does not happen.
xvart wrote:You illustrated my point exactly. You have identified me and Ant as a scum team because we are supposedly working together. That is exactly what I was saying. Scum aren't going to be so obvious to try and work together, and a good scum member wouldn't pass up an opportunity to slide in a bus if they feel it isn't going anywhere; especially with some fresh blood in here and some new case building. Even if scum are closer to winning than we are they aren't going to be so obvious "tag team back again" all up in this game. My whole point is I don't agree that ACM can be eliminated from the scum pool because a few people have expressed suspicion of him.
I on the other hand do. And no i have not illustrated your point. If anything I have done the opposite. Mad and Ant never even attacked each other, nor did they ever agree with each other until day 3. Mylo. one lynch away from winning. i know how it is, because i too have been scum in that situation. Not only that, but one needs all 4 townies to lynch someone. I as a townie, will not be lynching ACM today. Therefore the only way Acm will be lynched is if scum is on that wagon. And if scum is on that wagon, that most likely a townie will be lynched.
and to address your "tag team back again"- well sometimes the answer is staring one in the face. No tricks just plain and simple.
Xvart since you so, unrealistically think acm is scum, who would be his partner? Oh wait, only one logical choice mikemike. Certainly would not be ant, because you obviously tag-teamed up with him./sarcasm.
xvart wrote:And maybe I'm also biased because you seem to be rushing into trying to get a lynch on me when I know my alignment and it will be a town loss immediately. You haven't even really presented a solid case other some process of elimination that I don't think is valid, which is why I'm trying to engage you in that discussion and why I want you to more comprehensively explain why the people you listed couldn't be scum together. If you think I'm scum, it is still in your best interest to explain that to the people you don't think are scum to help you out.
Actually I have, what this town needs is a for the members to get a backbone.
Everyone read
Something every newbie should know The part addressed to bouch. Maybe we could get people to start speaking.
Mikemike - So your not confortable with a xvart lynch? Well if push comes to shove, I can guess I can fall back on to Atm.
To me it did what atm did made sense. I saw it right away as I was reading the game. Of course I may be bias because I knew what my role was, and knew that he was showing civil an example(easy to figure out when the pieces are there) But take a look at what he says
here after nameloc asked him if his claim was legit. He clearly denied that he was not the doc. If he really wanted to out the doc, he would not have waited only 4 minutes before denying that he wasn't. Obviously he could have lurked 3 days, therefore guaranteeing that everyone would have a chance to respond to it. But 4 minutes? Obviously it wasn't a gambit, but an example.
Civil Scum wrote: I think that Ant and Xvart are a mighty suspicious pair. But I can't totally shake the feeling that Hiphop and, ACM could be the scums.
Ant and Xvart seem way more suspicious to me, but I know that can be expected in a game when the scum are playing really well and have a crazy fake-doc-gambit thing working to prefection.
Something that's tripping me up a bit, assuming that it was as obvious to everyone else as I thought it was that Nameloc was the doc- or atleast pretending to be the doc, is why Xvart and Ant would be coming after me so hard. If they thought there was a chance of getting out of this Daytime without the doc-claiming or avoiding the doc-claim, epsecially if they had a good idea that it was infact Nameloc and they could kill him and his information would be useless, why would they go after me and force the doctor's hand like that? Like, seriously why would they have been doing that when it still seemed like the doc might not claim right now?
Think about it. There were at least 3 people willing to lynch you today. I could have been the 4th easily. You know that you are townie, so would I as scum clear a potential mis-lynch, and i mean, a very high chance. Let's count them, there was mikemike(who's lastest post said he also believed the civil/acm combo. I guess xvart did a good job in brain washing), acm(had a vote on you), xvart and ant(2 peas in a scum-pod). Yup pretty much the entire list. If i was scum, I didn't even have to claim, thereby ensuring that you would get lynch. So answer me this, why would i do such a thing? All I needed was one-mislynch. You know that i know that, so why did you bring it up?
And to the rest of the crowd- Everyone here pretty much believed in the acm/civil matchup. Excluding of course acm and civil of course. If i was scum, all i needed was one mis-lynch. One of them had to be town if i was scum. Therefore, I could have easily sat back and watched a townie get lynched. So tell me, how does it benefit me to claim today, if i was scum? Why would i clear one of them, than openly support not lynching the other? Think about it. All i needed was one. It does not make sense. Because clearing a townie is just plain stupid. There is no logic in fake-claiming at that point. So if you believe i am a townie, then no-lynching today should not be an option.
And i doubt that xvart believes in the acm/hophip combo, whoever heard of the "tag team" of scum.
Whatever happened to this-
Civil Scum wrote:I was definitely thinking that Nameloc was the doc.
And now after the claim he has doubts.
So would you vote xvart if push came to shove? The only problem is i need mikemike. I need all 4 townies to get this lynch. *sigh* And to think that I am without a doubt confident that xvart is scum, just not so much on ant.
Let's try this
Mikemike-why is Xvart not scum? Why is xvart town? 2 questions please answer them both.
I do however want the claiming to continue just to prove that scum don't try to gambit out the cop tomorrow. So, because the clock is ticking, if you post you claim. Let's see which scum decides to stall.
