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I was just curious if it was some past interaction with LMP that triggered the vote or if you just picked a random player for shits and giggles, 'tis all.Mariyta wrote:
I'm not even voting him anymore. C'mon now. Keep up.Oopidstay wrote:
Is there a particular reason for this, or is it justMariyta wrote:VOTE: LMP
ZOMGSCUM!!random lulz?
Upon preview edit, it appears that Mr. Parker is having a panic attack...Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.-
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A. I asked a rather innocuous question about your LMP vote, and your immediate response was "I'm not even voting him anymore", like I'd made an accusation or something.Mariyta wrote:A) That wasn't snappish. That was joking.
B) On edge is not the term. Pissed works much better. I've been waiting for this game and if that butthead kills me on page two, I will not be a happy camper.
B. Your first response to the daykill post was "Not cool...", which is hardly what I'd call pissed. It seems more like freaked-out scum not sure how to handle the situation, so you play a neutral response in hope of getting more information.
@ Antihero: What's wrong with Fate?Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.-
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Come on, now, I hardly made any such statement. Until now, I'd been treating the daykill as a joke. As indicated in my last post, I think we ought to have tight town control over who DP kills, since he has an itchy trigger finger (hence the "leash" remark).Margarita wrote:You don't seem at all upset that he killed (or at least shows inclination to kill) someone ON PAGE 2. You seriously think it's ok to start shooting random people this early in the game?
Just because DP daykilled you unexpectedly early doesn't mean I need to go "GODFUCKINGDAMMITDPWHATTHEFUCKAREYOUDOING?!?!?!?" Or that I need to start singing a dirge in your honor, either.Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.-
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@ Mari: What were you expecting from me? Should I have berated DP for offing such a sweet lass as yourself? Should I have held your limp corpse in my arms and drowned it in my tears? What, exactly, did you expect me to do?
It's not like I sat on my hands and did nothing. On the contrary, I felt that the kill was likely a fake, so I used the opportunity to pressure you. Maybe it wasn't the reaction you expected, or wanted, but it was hardly a nonchalant stance.Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.-
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*is not quite sure what the expression means*Mariyta wrote:
Now yer diggin' where there's 'taters!Oopidstay wrote:@ Mari: What were you expecting from me? Should I have berated DP for offing such a sweet lass as yourself? Should I have held your limp corpse in my arms and drowned it in my tears? What, exactly, did you expect me to do?Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.-
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TheButtonmen wrote:The "Dammit HavinFitz it's only been five hours!" Vote Count:
DavidParker: Mariyta
Fate: , smargaret, HavingFitz
Mariyta: DavidParker, Oopidstay,Antihero
CityofAs : Zdenek
LMP: LMP
With 12 alive it's 7 to lynch.TheButtonmen wrote:Vote Count:
DavidParker: Mariyta
Fate: , smargaret, HavingFitz
Mariyta: DavidParker, Oopidstay,Antihero
CityofAs : Zdenek
LMP: LMPTheButtonmen wrote:Vote Count:
Fate: , smargaret, HavingFitz
I demand to know who this mysterious voter is!TheButtonmen wrote:Vote Count:
Fate:,
In other news,FoS: smargaretbecause I agree with what Antihero said about her. That being said, Anti, it seems like an odd reason to criticize fitz (re: the Post 60 line), given that you were voting Fate yourself. Could you throw some light on this, please?Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.-
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Why's that? (Asking again because I never got an answer the first time.)DP wrote:Starting to wish I had day-vidge'd Oopidstay instead of Mariyta... Sigh.
Also, what did Mari do to get you to unvote her? (Again, didn't get an answer the first time.)
I like unvoting.The Man w/Red Text wrote:You don't need to unvote fyi.
That's not true, actually. Town has every right to get pissed at getting killed. My issue with Mariyta was my perception that she was too edgy (and to be honest, I quoted the wrong post at the time; it was her post immediately after the fake daykill that really caught my eye) for the state of the game we were in. Subtle difference, yet important.CityofAss wrote:I agree with this. town should not be pissed at getting killed... it happens. you can still win, so be happy.
I have no flavor knowledge.
smarg's 106 reads a lot like scumposting.
Oh god wallpost...
I read something into Mari's response, so I followed it.fitz wrote:#45
Her snarky response to my question implied an accuastory tone to me. Also, scum are perfectly capable of trying to put a mask over their true feelings. So it's not unreasonable that Mariscum could feel freaked out, yet show a neutral response in her posts.fitz wrote:#48
#55 was answered in my reply to Mariyta near the top of Page 4.
At that point, I bit into DP's ploy and started treating it seriously. The post immediately following it was me realizing that DP had just admitted to the daykill being fake. Hence, "I'm slow on the uptake..."wallpostman wrote:#58
I hardly treated the daykill nonchalantly at all. I instead chose to pressure Mariyta. See same top o' Page 4 post I mentioned earlier.fitz wrote:#71
Oh, puhfitz wrote:#75leeze. The meat of your post was the comment to Mariyta, not your compliment to the mod. Do you really expect me to believe you're that ignorant?
Oh...so you actually did read the top o' Page 4 post...I guess I can't give you the "didn't read the thread" excuse for all this shit, then.fitz wrote:#76
In answer to the actuall question posed in the snippet, I thought the daykill was a joke, so I pressured Mariyta instead of DP. You, on the other hand, completely ignored the daykill shenanigans altogether, despite it being the prevalent issue at the time of your post.
Do I need to spell it out more, or can you get the picture from here?
#85 is so utterly irrelevant as far as a case against me goes. What was the point of posting it?
(reads rest of wallpost not devoted to me)
tl;dr: Fitz does a terrible job at imitating a content post.
I like my vote where it is, although smarg is a very tempting second choice.Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.-
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Stop being a child and answer the questions, please.DavidParker wrote:(and yes I saw your questions oopid, they are just dumb. and refer to sarcastic/joking comments of mine)
I will say I have a town read on Mariyta and if you have to know why I'll say it's because she likes dogs.Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.-
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@ Mari: Too long; didn't read. It's used both as a prelude to a "summary" of a longer post and as an insult when someone makes a post that's way too long and full of insubstantial stuff.
@ Anti: I'm not seeing anything wrong with Fate, personally. It seems that the problem everyone else has with him is that he's not living up to his meta, if I'm understanding it correctly. I don't really see how that can be considered a scumtell, personally.Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.-
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So what do you think about fitz's actual posts, which multiple people consider scummy enough to vote on? How does one person appearing to take a potshot at fitz suddenly invalidate the other concerns other people have with fitz?Antihero wrote:
"Fling" should have been singular, as I was referring to Zdenek alone.Oopidstay wrote:
The "object" of crap flings? Town? Please explain this, as I vehemently disagree with both of those stances.Antihero wrote:As the object of crap flings, I would guess fitz is town.
My hypothesis of Zdenek scum taking a potshot at fitz, who looks like a viable wagon target, would suggest fitztown to me.
FoS: Antihero, because this is really starting to smell like bullshit to me...Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.-
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So what is your opinion on Post #121, then? (Fitz's giant wall post.)Antihero wrote:Fitz's initial passiveness is disconcerting, but I don't think fitz is as scummy as you or Mari seem to think.
So I shouldn't be concerned that you have a read on fitz that is diametrically opposed to mine, and runs counter to what I've seen other people express as well (hint: Mariyta is not the only person other than me who's shown displeasure with fitz)? From my point of view, you're naming my top suspect town, and haven't given a single good reason to convince me why.Antihero wrote:Don't let stupid emotions cloud your judgement. I know it's a little disappointing when someone doesn't agree with your scumreads, but really, you're not giving a good reason why this is faked.
While he's had fewer sentences than fitz in this game, Zdenek has had better content,Antihero wrote:What about you, hyena? Read Zdenek's ISO and see if you agree with my assessment of Z's play so far (won't take you long), please?by far. Right now, in my mind, there's no way fitz is town over Zed.Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.-
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Why are you so willing to dismiss Fitz's play as foolish rather than scummy?Antihero wrote:Meh, a bunch of noise and not very well supported opinions.
That could be a sign that fitz is acting like a fool, though.
Please. This is pointless nitpicking over terminology.Antihero wrote:First off, I never "named" fitz town. (see: the word "guess") Hence, my read isn't "diametrically opposed" to yours.
That same ISO you referred me to awhile ago. Less posts + less sentences =/= less content. Fitz, by contrast, has hadAntihero wrote:Zed has better what? Content? Where?more posts* and sentences, yet drastically less content. In fact, I'll go so far as to say he's postednohonest content to this date.
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Oh hey, guys, we have a double voter.Da Mod wrote:DavidParker (1): Smargaret
Fate (1): smargaret
Because his questions weren't random and he wasn't specificallyAntihero wrote:Z hasn't done anything but sprinkle some random questions in this thread while not really ruffling any feathers. How is that not scummy?tryingto avoid ruffling feathers?
We're pretty much at an impasse regarding Fitz. I still don't get how you can justify Fitz's posting as an honest attempt to find scum, but there's no point in going for buddying tells until there's an alignment flip, so I'm going to move on.
Fitz's latest post is at least making some effort to avoid getting lynched, but I'm not liking the misrepping he's doing in the later parts of the postWho you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.-
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Fitz wrote:So do I take this to mean if you 'knew me' better you would not be voting me? I thought mafia was a game of deduction and investigation...not a popularity club.
There ya go.Fitz wrote:2) So the fact I smiled at Antihero for using 'TIMIDITY ' to describe my RV is one of your voting factors? The old emoticon scumtell. Niiiiiice.......
Also waiting to see how you justify the above.Fitz wrote:Not sure what the cases are on me at the moment but if they are based on my emphatic RV or not commenting on DP's fake daykill they are reaching and most likely being pushed by scum.Oopidstay being the most obvious.Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.-
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Overly strong reaction, much? Fake daykills are a good conversation starter, IMO.LynchMePls wrote:
This is absurd. The daykill was an OBVIOUS JOKE. Anyone with an IQ above single digits could tell it wasn't real. Why was it worthy of discussion or having an opinion of it at all? I also fail to see how it was by itself worthy of driving us out of RVS, or why more than one person taking actions that can drive us out of RVS is bad. Your suspicions are ridiculous.Zdenek wrote:First of all, LMP's self-vote. I've seen scum caught day one for essentially their self-vote and subsequent reaction to questioning. I'm still definitely worried about LMP because of this early move. I'm all the more concerned because when he made the self-vote, we'd already had the fake vig kill so we were well on the way out of RVS. The fact that he didn't have a plan to determine scum reactions from town reactions makes me think that he was just reaction fishing which was unnecessary at that point in the game.
I was emphatically pointing out the mistake in the mod's vote count, 'cause that's how hyenas roll.smargaret wrote:Oop, why are you going overboard about the votecount?
Happy birthday, by the way. Here, I got a rope for you as a birthday present...Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.-
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Only because you left out the second part of my quote. Here, let me bring up the whole thing again, for your convenience:fitz wrote:A ‘snarky response’ implied an accusation? I don’t really think this is an adequate response to my comment:
awesomewordsofwisdom wrote:Her snarky response to my question implied an accuastory tone to me. Also, scum are perfectly capable of trying to put a mask over their true feelings. So it's not unreasonable that Mariscum could feel freaked out, yet show a neutral response in her posts.
And at the time I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you hadn't read my explanation of the situation in #76.fitz wrote:I didn’t ask a question here...I simply stated I agreed with Mari’s interpretation of your reaction.
I never voted you just because you didn't take the daykill seriously. Rather, the vote was because, despite professing a distaste for the RVS, you were actively engaging in RVS practicesfitz wrote:So you admit you considered the post daykill to be fake by post 59...one post before I ~ignore the daykill. Yet you vote eventually vote me for not taking it seriously. This is still a contradicition on your part. You considered it a joke...did not take it seriously...yet when someone else doesn’t even bring it up they are guilty of not commenting on the “fairly outstanding issue (the fake daykill) going on before he posted.” Which to repeat...you had already dismissed as joke before I posted.even thoughthere was an issue of significance (the fake daykill) that you could easily have commented on to avoid all pretense of RVS. This kind of hypocrisy is a little hard to ignore.
On a side note, although I thought of the daykill as a joke, I didn't simply sit on my hands and do nothing. I chose to take the opportunity to pressure the "daykill victim" and see how she'd respond. That's the difference between you and me--I did something with the significant issue, and you didn't.
Why wasn't it very convincing?fitz wrote:At least two people would beg to differ. Your response on the top of page 4 was not convincing IMO.
Aye, I did mean #74. In reply to the quote, I assumed you would be smart enough to deduce that I wouldn't be voting you for something so trite as kissing up to the mod. I'm not stupid, you know (he's my brother).fitz wrote:#75 was addressed to Mari. Do you mean for this response to be for #74 which was addressed to you? Assuming that is the case...your only reason for the vote was that I was demanding attention. This was directly after I answered Mari regarding my RV and complimented the mod. You were not clear in your vote reasoning. Are you voting me for my RV? Or for dismissing the aforementioned daykill which you already admit to considering as fake prior to my vote? How was I demanding attention?
I will concur that the insults were not necessary, but to be honest, I feel you've been making some terribad posts, and it's driving me a bit crazy.fitz wrote:Secondly...this is a game. There is no need to be a p-r-i-c-k by calling people ignorant and/or offering to s-p-e-l-l things out for them.
So pointing out an error in the mod's vote count with dramatic force is imitating content?fitz wrote:Your post was irrelevant. What purpose did it serve? It’s not a case against you. It appeared to be posting for the sake of posting...kind of like imitating content.
Your LMP push isn't that hot, either, IMO. Despite that, I'm still going toFoS: LMP.
I just realized that LMP made a self-vote to do some reaction hunting...while the fake daykill scenario was occurring. Hmm...redundant much?
@ Mariyta: Out of curiousity, what's your current stance on me?Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.-
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I want you to respond to it, anyway.fitz wrote:he second part of your quote, which I did not include, has nothing to do with the fact I do not think you provided an adequate response.
The fact that a daykill is fake doesfitz wrote:As I mention above in my LMP reply...I do not like RVing and I always RV. And 9.5 times out of 10 I'm town when I do it. So? And you continue to harp on the point that something significant had occured when I placed my RV that warranted some sort of action I apparently did not take...yet you have also pointed out you thought the daykill was fake by the time I made my RV...and I have pointed out that I disregarded it considering the source (DP). Why is it ok for you to consider on the one hand...DP's daykill a joke...but at the same time consider it a significant event that warranted some action or comment? Which btw several others chose not to do either. This is a much better example of that hypocrisy you allude to.notsuddenly make it an insignificant thing. The fact that it came from player you claim you tend to ignore for a spell doesnotsuddenly make it an insignificant thing. Do me a favor and remind me of these "several others" you mention. And if you're going to start throwing meta at me, I'd like you to link multiple examples of you doing the same thing you're doing here,as town.
This is not a valid answer. I'll ask again: why didn't my reply convince you?fitz wrote:Because it did not convince me.
*headdesks* That wasfitz wrote:And yet you continue to belittle/undermine the comments/contributions of others with ad-hom attacks like, "I assumed you would be smart enough."notintended as an insult. I honestly thought you'd be able to tell the difference.
Your point? You still haven't shown why that post is "imitating content".fitz wrote:You could have just pointed it out instead of putting up a mini-wall.
fitz wrote:So you denigrate my case on LMP and then proceed to FoS him. Another example of playing both sides of the fence (ala the 'significant' fake daykill). While LMP is currently my vote option 1a...I have at least provided reasoning. Why are you FoSing him...since it couldn't be the 'not hot' push I made on him.
Would it help if I rewrote the two paragraphs like this?fitz wrote:Are you talking to LMP or me...and what/who are you calling redundant.
I think the reasoning for your LMP case stinks, but I found a reason to FoS LMP that is entirely separate from your case. That better?fitz wrote:Your LMP push isn't that hot, either, IMO.
Despite that, I'm still going to FoS: LMP. I just realized that LMP made a self-vote to do some reaction hunting...while the fake daykill scenario was occurring. Hmm...redundant much?
Speaking of which...LMP, I'm curious as to why you haven't responded to this, yet?Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.-
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The first part of my quote (the "snarky attitude" reply) was responding to the first sentence of your comment on #48. The second part of the quote (everything that follows the first part) is in reply to the rest of your comment on #48. Additionally, considering that I have already asked youfitz wrote:Respond to what? You didn’t ask a question. And in the interest of not wasting time...if the answer doesn’t matter to you please don’t ask it.twicetospecificallyrespond to the second part of the quote, I think it's fairly obvious that I want you to respond to it.
So please, just respond to the damn quote.
But you didn't bother to dofitz wrote:This would be a matter of opinion...not fact. You say yourself you considered the daykill a joke. Others have dismissed it as a joke. I assumed it was a joke coming from DP and the question had already been asked as to whether he was serious so it did not need to be reiterated. IMO joke’s aren’t significant events...it didn’t warrant comment at the time. IMO your continued push on this point is scummy.anythingwith the reactions people gave, instead choosing to do something you said you hated to do. In my mind, you wereintentionallydoing something useless, when you could have at leasttriedto do something productive with the fake daykill. There was plenty of gold to mine, if you get my meaning.
Why is my push on this point scummy?
And last time I checked, none of them stated that they disliked the RVS while going through the motions of RVS.fitz wrote:The ‘several others’ are listed in post 188.
The examples I want are with regard to this statement:fitz wrote:As for “examples of you doing the same thing you're doing here, as town”...could you be more specific. I assume you aren’t referring to my history of RVing. If so...you can easily find that yourself.
I can find them myself, if you insist, but it would make things a great deal easier if you just provided me the relevant examples yourself.fitz wrote:I do not like RVing and I always RV. And 9.5 times out of 10 I'm town when I do it.
In case you didn't get the hint, Ifitz wrote:Wall post avoidance reply=> It is a valid response and because when I got done reading it I wasn’t convinced.wanta detailed explanation for why you weren't convinced.
With all due respect, you are taking things way,fitz wrote:Seriously? You deny that your "I assumed you would be smart enough" comment is insulting (and an ad hom attack) while making another in the same response, “I honestly thought you'd be able to tell the difference.” Niiiice.waytoo personally. I admit there was some attitude in the first one, but it was hardly an insult. The second statement wasn't an insult in any way whatsoever, and Ispecificallyavoided putting any sign of an attitude in there. Let's just make my opinion frank and clear: your allegation that I voted you for "kissing up to the mod" was stupid. This is not the same thing as me saying "you are stupid".
I disagree with your assessment that all posting of "unnecessary" content is an attempt at "imitating" content, but I'll agree to drop the argument if you will.fitz wrote:votecount issue
First off...the above "fitz wrote" is not a quote by me...it's by you.[/quote]"fitz"
So it is. My mistake.
For the latter, that's what I did when I "rewrote" (although "restructured" is probably the better word, here) those two paragraphs. For the former, I don't think any of your points against LMP hold water. I don't have time to launch into the specifics now, so that'll have to wait for later.And no...."better" would be if you indicated what you disagree with on my LMP points and provided your separate ‘reason’ with your FoS.Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.-
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havingfitz wrote:OK...still a bit behind on reads but one person has jumped out at me (aside from the person I am voting) and that is LynchMePls. He has not posted very much content and the content he has posted has IMO not been consistent or well supported.
At the very least LMP's content is superior to yours, if not several other players as well. I mean, if you're after lack of content and you aren't looking at yourself, Enigma's a very good way for you to go. LMP? Nuh uh.
fitz wrote:In post 118 LMP votes CoA for bypassing his (CoA's) ‘pretty good suspicions’ towards me and infers suspicions himself towards me despite not mentioning me at any other point in the game to this point and without any reasoning. BTW....the ‘pretty good suspicions’ CoA expressed towards me consisted of:
So LMP agrees with CoA’s comments on me and also agrees with CoA that smarg is suspicious...yet votes him for picking an smarg vote over me.CoA wrote:@havingfits: obv random is weird. why try so hard to make a random vote? Looks like trying too hard to blend in.
This was LMP's first post since you made your entrance into the thread, so of course he hadn't mentioned you, yet. And it's very clear that LMP voted CityofAss for giving better reason to vote for you than smarg, yet voting smarg. Not even worth mentioning in the police report.
fitz wrote:Then in the next post (119) LMP FoS’s smargaret (who he just voted CoA for voting for) on the basis that her scumhunting was just right. WTF?
Then lumps all three of us in a scumpool. While I do not doubt there could be scum in any grouping of three players...LMP is not giving any solid reasoning IMO.
The FoS was for smarg having just the right amount offakescumhunting. And LMP has given better reasons for all of his votes than you have, so I'd be careful about calling the kettle black.
fitz wrote:Post 147 - LMP piles on a bit with a QFT on some post 121 (my wallpost) bashing. Still no reasoning for suspecting me.
He's already agreed with CoA's earlier statement regarding you, and here he's just agreed with my sentiments about your wallpost. It's fairly obvious why he suspects you.
fitz wrote:Post 154 - Although his LMP’s vote is still on CoA he points out that “we can’t go wrong with lynching fitz or smargaret today.”
The vote clearly stayed on there to incite CoA to respond to his questions. It's a perfectly valid way to use a vote.
fitz wrote:When CoA asks why LMP still has a vote on him LMP responds with “You still hadn't addressed my points, and I didn't want you to lurk them away.” So LMP is not voting CoA for scummy actions but for not addressing LMP’s points against CoA...which at this point CoA had addressed and has since elaborated on.
LMP was still applying pressure to CoA, and thus it's perfectly acceptable for his vote to remain where it was.
Verdict: LynchMePls is found Not Guilty! He's as town as town can be!
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DP wanting to dayvig me indicates that he thought I was scummy. I wanted to know why.Fate wrote:Damn smarg dropped a town tell back on page 3, shoulda re-read sooner.
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"why'd you wish you dayvigged me instead?" <-SCUM
Eh?Fate wrote:ITT: Scum asks town to explain why they shouldn't be pushing a mislynch instead of faking scumhunting to PUSH said mislynch.
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You sure you're actually back, Fate? Because this is a whole load of bullshit.Fate wrote:Zdenek DOESN'T DIE TODAY.
I don't think I made myself clear enough.
This clown's rolefishing though, and needs rope.Oopidstay wrote:What vig?
- 1. There is no proof that we have a vig, so making plans that involve using one is completely pointless.
2. Even if we have a vig, having him shooting Zed is also completely pointless.
3. Me ridiculing you for wanting to leave Zed's fate to the hypothetical vig is not rolefishing.
Flavor is absolutely pointless with regards to clearing people. Either any flavor role can be scum, or the mod gave the scum fakeclaims, so they won't get caught by the flavor.
FoS: Antihero
His Fate push looks artificial and contrived.Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.-
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Yeah, and it looked fake as hell then, too.Antihero wrote:I've been doing it the whole game, monkey poo flinger #3. Say something substantial or STFU.
On a side note, you jumped off the wagon of someone whose claim you didn't believe at the time to go after someone who was/is nowhere close to getting lynched today. Hmm...Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.-
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Ok, I can buy this idea for now.Fate wrote:The hypothetical vig is not shooting Zdenek, that was an oversight on my part.
The existence of the hypothetical vig shooting someone else makes Zdenek's role plausible.
Hence, Zdenek doesn't die today and we go after new targets.
Unvote: Zdenek
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How was it bad?Mariyta wrote:*shakes head at Oop* The attempted hammer was bad, just bad bad bad.
Well, smarg's so-called case is absolutely terrible, but I feel obligated to respond to it anyway, if only so I can say I'm not dodging anything. For those of you that already know that smarg's "case" is awful without needing my rebuttal to it, feel free to skip the rest of this post. Otherwise, hold on to your reading glasses.
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Maybe you should also keep in mind that not everyone views Fate as scum at this moment in time.Antihero wrote:Since no one else seems to have the balls to stand up to fate, I guess I shouldn't count on a lynch, but that's not my fault.
[sarcasm]Oh snap, disclaimer tags! Guess we shouldn't hold you accountable for that terribad case of yours, then...[/sarcasm]smargaret wrote:...admittedly, that case was the product of a quick skim of the iso because I've had a nagging feeling of unease about his posts, and I was looking for what was causing it after Fate asked me for a case.Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.-
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What towntells?Antihero wrote:Overall towntellsoutweigh the scumtells fate recently pointed out.
I'm not real keen on Mariyta's smarg ambivalence and her lurker vote, but I'll wait for her to finish her catch-up* before formulating conclusions.
*Unless she takes her sweet time in getting it done.
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Well, then you didn't read the thread, did you? My hand-of-suspicion post on you made it very clear that the only reason I wasn't voting you was because I wanted Zed dead. Fate talked me out of lynching Zed, at least for today, so that freed my vote up to move onto you.smarg wrote:It seems a lot like sheeping when you quote Fate's post and then vote. As for the Fitz thing, if you're pushing his lynch, why has your vote been all over the place today? I didn't address it when I made the case because the back and forth is confusing and I wanted to wait until daytime to look closer at it, and I thought it was better to get something out fast than pretty.
Also, my vote was on fitz for nine days. It has been three days since I moved my vote off of fitz. As for why my vote is not on fitz now, it's because I've found someone much scummier than him to vote for (namely, you).
FoSing is another way of expressing suspicion. Just because one uses it does not mean one is "testing the waters".smarg wrote:It's the repeated FOSing that looks like testing the waters more than the FOSing then voting.
Nope. You're trying to conjure a scumpoint out of thin air, and are failing miserably. My previous explanation is perfectly valid.smarg wrote:Nope. You're trying to look town by talking about pro-town mafia theory - and then you're not applying it to the game, as far as I can see.
Wow...I guess all I can say to this is "read the fucking thread". It should be very obvious where I stated the reasons for disliking fitz's push on LMP (hint: I devoted an entire fucking post to detailing it), so I'm gonna let you go find it yourself.smarg wrote:Then what did you dislike about fitz's push on LMP?
Because LMP wasn't that strong of a scum read to me at the time. I used the FoS to attract his attention to something I found peculiar, he gave me a good response to it, and everything else I've seen from LMP makes him town.smarg wrote:I don't see how someone can go from worthy of an FOS to obvtown in that timeframe, short of a clear investigation - and we haven't had any such thing show up yet.
Buddying tells are worthless without a flip.smarg wrote:I have a null-scum read on LMP, I think you and LMP are the same alignment and confirmed to each other based on your interactions, so the read on LMP makes me more inclined to think you're scum. It's also something to note for later should one of you flip/be cleared/be confirmed scum.
Oh, so you mean your blatant sheeping of Fate's terribad vig-rolefishing allegation,smarg wrote:The points I made in the post in which I voted you. Your comments about the vig sounded like rolefishing, I suspect there was scum on the Zdenek wagon based on how quickly it grew, and I'd had a gut scum feeling about you.afterI'd pointed out how terribad the allegation was? That's rich. And where'd you get that gut feeling from, considering you had to quickly throw an ISO together when called upon for a case?
Excuse me for not believing you...smarg wrote:I'm just getting a general feel from you of trying to look town. No single one of these points is strong enough to warrant a vote, but they're all there together ... you feel very suspicious to me.
My town game, for those of you who aren't just trying to get a mislynch on me. I don't have a scum game, so you'll just have to deal. (Side note: future meta argument islame...)
DP, LMP is not scum. Get him off your scumlist.
I love fitz's stance on smarg. "I haven't really paid attention to smarg/case on smarg, but I'm inclined to think she's town; her flip would be helpful, though." Classic. I also love how he's turning the three most pro-town players in this game into a scumteam because they share common goals.Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.-
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DP, LMP is not scum, okay? Now cut that shit out.
You too, Zed. You aren't extending your life expectancy with an LMP push, if you know what I mean...
Personally, I think both fitz and smarg need to swing ASAP. It doesn't really matter which one goes first, so I'll support whichever of those two wagons is bigger.Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.-
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So you're just going to be useless then, huh? Because neither of those lynches are happening.havingfitz wrote:Personally, I think both Oopid and LMP need to swing ASAP. It doesn't really matter which one goes first, so I'll support whichever of those two wagons is bigger.Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.-
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I lol'd.havingfitz wrote:Oopidstay wrote:My bad, I forgot you were the only person allowed to give an opinion.
But seriously, you have no reason to feel safe unless you have a built in support system...if you know what I mean. To say I am targetting the three most pro-town players in this game is a ridiculous assertion...the part about you being the three most pro-town players that is. You and LMP need to get over yourselves. One or both of you are scum and the way you are feeding off/following each other is pathetic. You could be right on some of your reads but from my perspective you are both without a clue re: me so I can't help but be underwhelmed with your scum hunting skills. And your cases on people are crap which feeds my suspicion towards the two of you. You are each definitely better candidates for a lynch than myself or Zd and smarg IMO.Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.-
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I fixed my post and lol'd.havingfitz wrote:My bad, I forgot you were the only person allowed to give an opinion.
But seriously, you have no reason to feel safe unless you have a built in support system...if you know what I mean. To say I am targetting the three most pro-town players in this game is a ridiculous assertion...the part about you being the three most pro-town players that is. You and LMP need to get over yourselves. One or both of you are scum and the way you are feeding off/following each other is pathetic. You could be right on some of your reads but from my perspective you are both without a clue re: me so I can't help but be underwhelmed with your scum hunting skills. And your cases on people are crap which feeds my suspicion towards the two of you. You are each definitely better candidates for a lynch than myself or Zd and smarg IMO.Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.-
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Which proves nothing about Zed's alignment. Do you still think Zed is scum?smarg wrote:Enigma, it's not flavor=alignment speculation, it's flavor=role speculation. Based on the only other character information I have, I believe flavor and role do go together.
Scumlurking isn't the only reason you've got votes, FYI.smarg wrote:The reason I mentioned your name was people were saying I was scum for lurking. I pointed out that there were three other players who had been lurking worse than me, and unless they thought there were four scum in a game this size, lurking might not be the best reason the vote.
*cough* *cough*smarg wrote:Because I'm not seeing a whole lot in the way of scumhunting there.
That said, I would like to see some suspects out of Enigma.Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.-
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Oops, my mistake. Actually, looking back, I can't really see what your stance is on him. Clarify, please, and reasons why. Additionally, since you indicated that you believe Zed's role, and not his alignment, what exactly was the point of saying you believe his role?smargaret wrote:Oop, where did I say I thought Z was scum?
Also, are you still clinging to your "case" on me, and if so, why haven't you tried to refute my latest rebuttal?
Oh, and fitz? Since you're arguing that I've been coming up with nothing but crap cases, I want you to show us exactly why you claim my cases are crap.Allthe cases I've made, not just the one on you. Don't argue that it's not your job; you're the one who made the allegation, so the burden's on you to prove it.Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.-
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Um, not to imply that you aren't doing a fine job, Mr. Moderator, but I do believe I'm voting for smargaret, not Zdenek. Also, you have LMP as a double voter.
@ Fitz: No. If you thought my cases were crap, then surely you had a good idea of what they consisted of, and shouldn't need my help to find the main points for them. Otherwise, how would you know my cases were crap?Who you callin' oopid...(sigh) nvm.-
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