Mafia 121 -- Picking Simplicity Game Over

[Nikanor]

Hey, catching up on the last ten or so pages now.

[AGar]

I have done a re-skim of this game. I have not found LMP to be conclusively scum, and therefore I am unwilling to vote him. My main 2 suspects are Empking, for the same reasons I had before+ more active lurking. and Antihero, who had failed to post in this thread in 10 days, but is still posting all over MS. None of his posts in this game looked at all townish to me either.
VOTE: Antihero

Everyone look at this post.

Real hard.

"My main two suspects are Empking, who I say to have put a case out on, and Antihero, who needs to be replaced. I'm voting the complete lurker."

Scum.

With LMP.
And Haylen.

I thought the same BUT, according to Nacho, Xine is confirmed town.

The same person who said the SK was a guilty?

[Empking]

I have done a re-skim of this game. I have not found LMP to be conclusively scum, and therefore I am unwilling to vote him. My main 2 suspects are Empking, for the same reasons I had before+ more active lurking. and Antihero, who had failed to post in this thread in 10 days, but is still posting all over MS. None of his posts in this game looked at all townish to me either.
VOTE: Antihero

Everyone look at this post.

Real hard.

"My main two suspects are Empking, who I say to have put a case out on, and Antihero, who needs to be replaced. I'm voting the complete lurker."

Scum.

With LMP.
And Haylen.

I thought the same BUT, according to Nacho, Xine is confirmed town.

The same person who said the SK was a guilty?

Yes and who was confirmed as a cop by the mod admitting to his error.

[Glork]

Hey, catching up on the last ten or so pages now.

Why don't you just save yourself, and us, a lot of time and effort and just tell us your scumbuddies' names?

[Xine]

Empking, are you defending me? that seems really odd to me.

[RedCoyote]

He's probably the only one who will.

[Nocmen]

Empking, are you defending me? that seems really odd to me.

Are you claiming scum because no one would be good enough to defend you?

[Empking]

Empking, are you defending me? that seems really odd to me.

The cop has got an innocent on you.

[AGar]

I have done a re-skim of this game. I have not found LMP to be conclusively scum, and therefore I am unwilling to vote him. My main 2 suspects are Empking, for the same reasons I had before+ more active lurking. and Antihero, who had failed to post in this thread in 10 days, but is still posting all over MS. None of his posts in this game looked at all townish to me either.
VOTE: Antihero

Everyone look at this post.

Real hard.

"My main two suspects are Empking, who I say to have put a case out on, and Antihero, who needs to be replaced. I'm voting the complete lurker."

Scum.

With LMP.
And Haylen.

I thought the same BUT, according to Nacho, Xine is confirmed town.

The same person who said the SK was a guilty?

Yes and who was confirmed as a cop by the mod admitting to his error.

Oh. I didn't understand that post at first. Makes sense now.

Evs yo.

Ok, so Xine is off the list. Doesn't mean she shouldn't start playing.

Stand by the Haylen and LMP sentiments.

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 3.02

LynchMePls - 6 - Jack, AGar, Empking, VasudeVa, Lowell, Nocmen
Antihero - 1 - Xine
Empking - 1 - LynchMePls
Haylen - 1 - eldarad
Nachomamma8 - 1 - Haylen
Nocmen - 1 - Nachomamma8

Not Voting: Nikanor, RedCoyote, Antihero, Glork


With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline: December 15

[LimMePls]

My wagon is still terrible. Glork still hasn't answered my questions. I don't really know what else to say.

[eldarad]

My wagon is still terrible. Glork still hasn't answered my questions. I don't really know what else to say.

Well, while you're waiting for Glork to answer you, why don't you answer my questions in #383?

[Xine]

???
What questions are you thaling about eldarad?

[Jack]

838.

Let's just lynch, I'm impatient. Nikanor can just die.

[LimMePls]

I ignored your questions cause they are stupid and basically just me restating what I've already said. Here you go:

Based on the speed of that lynch, I guarantee you there is 2 scum on the back end. That puts 2 scum (possibly 3) in {Xine, Empking, RedCoyote, Lowell, Eldarad}. My money is on Eld and Empking. Both voted on that wagon on the tail end with completely content-less posts (ie just votes). They weren't interested in considering the ramifications of lynching the SK.

So you think that the speed of the lynch of a player who claimed SK, but then had nacho claim a guilty result on him, was excessive to the point that 2 or 3 of the last 5 (but not the first 4) are mafia?

Yes. I already said this, why are you asking me a second time?

What is significant about the 5th vote that makes it indicative of mafia compared to the 4th vote?

The point is that the back half of that wagon is where the scum lie. My point is that the scum were only too happy to lynch the SK. Even if the SK were actually mafia, then there still were likely multiple scum on the back of that wagon, for bussing town-cred.

Why do you automatically discount the possibility of UKmafia fakeclaiming SK to buy a Day or two? That's a one-way bet for mafia, surely - why do you think it is so unlikely that you jump to "ramifactions of lynching the SK" as if it was a foregone conclusion?

I was reading her as SK before, her play following Nacho's claim and the ensuing posts from her made it obvious to me that she was telling the truth. Nacho is the sort of player who I think is good enough to attempt a town gambit like claiming a guilty without actually being the cop. I've seen players do it before, see Benmage in Vanilla Town in my wiki. Jack's "CC" was absurd on its face. My read of the situation was that UK was telling the truth. Furthermore, lets say I was wrong and UK was actually mafia. WE STILL SHOULDN'T HAVE LYNCHED HER. As long as she lived, we would have controlled the mafia kill, because if they didn't kill who we told UK to, then she gets lynched. So either way we would have gained an effective vig, and the real SK would likely have taken care of her for us eventually. We could have gotten 1 maybe 2 directed shots from her before lynching her. In this setup, once the SK is forced to claim, they become in all essence a vig. So the scum would have had to sweat her kill.

The whole thing is mind numbingly OBVIOUS. I can't believe I have to explain this shit.[/quote]

[Xine]

Glork, why were you not voting at the end of either lynch wagon so far? Is it coincidence that you unvoted LMP at L-1, and have been very quiet ever since?

[RedCoyote]

Quit acting so arrogant, LMP. You may have had a feeling she was an SK, but there's no way you could've known. If you think lecturing people on "how to play the game" will get you anywhere, I think you'll be surprised at the result.

And I don't remember you pushing at her, SK or otherwise, before Nacho began his crusade.

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The only unsettling thing about LMP's wagon is that Nacho is missing from it.

Why do you think this is, AGar?

[AGar]

The only unsettling thing about LMP's wagon is that Nacho is missing from it.

Why do you think this is, AGar?

Because he doesn't suspect LMP?

Why does Nacho missing from it matter? He's all but confirmed as the town cop, and therefore is likely just chasing his main suspicion. I don't agree with it, but it's what he's doing.

Mentioned something about 836. I'd go there.

[Glork]

Glork, why were you not voting at the end of either lynch wagon so far? Is it coincidence that you unvoted LMP at L-1, and have been very quiet ever since?

I've been busy. I got prodded in my only other game as well.

Will read/post tonight, but I do want to take some time to extract information out of LMP.

LMP, in the meantime, feel free to look over every name on the playerlist and bear your heart and soul about how you feel about each player. If you are in fact protown, it will only serve us well. If you hesitate or refuse, then you're probably scum who doesn't want to give us :goodinfo:.

[Glork]

BTW, if LMP is scum, RedCoyote is probably scum with him, for the whole "why do you think Nacho is off-wagon" comment. Terribad. It's like Red is trying to convince us that Nacho has an innocent on LMP, when the odds of Nacho having investigated LMP are very small, at best.

[Empking]

BTW, if LMP is scum, RedCoyote is probably scum with him, for the whole "why do you think Nacho is off-wagon" comment. Terribad. It's like Red is trying to convince us that Nacho has an innocent on LMP, when the odds of Nacho having investigated LMP are very small, at best.

Especially considering his investigations are all accounted for.

[Haylen]

1500 more words and i will be here.

[Nocmen]

Glork, why were you not voting at the end of either lynch wagon so far? Is it coincidence that you unvoted LMP at L-1, and have been very quiet ever since?

I've been busy. I got prodded in my only other game as well.

Will read/post tonight, but I do want to take some time to extract information out of LMP.

LMP, in the meantime, feel free to look over every name on the playerlist and bear your heart and soul about how you feel about each player. If you are in fact protown, it will only serve us well. If you hesitate or refuse, then you're probably scum who doesn't want to give us :goodinfo:.

That. And don't use another one of your BS defenses, saying its stupid or that you're too good to do so.

Lots of people I want to hear more from.

[Jack]

Lots of people I want to hear more from.

Who and why?

[Nocmen]

All of the people who are actively lurking, the ones the most being Anti and Lowell, because I see them as the most suspicious of the active lurkers.