vollkan wrote:Smash wrote:
First off, welcome to the game. I can see that you have learned how to pull numbers out of the air and use them to come up with bigger numbers. Bravo.
You're not the first to take this attitude.
Think about it this way: Most players don't even rank their suspects, and those that do will just have a list of Town: X, Y Z; Scum: A, B, C. It doesn't tell you anything about how much they relatively suspect people, or why.
Everybody gives relative rankings to scumtells - I just try and make it more explicit with numbers.
Smash wrote:
as for your points. in post #111, I said I thought Consig was town, yes. Just because i didn't type that I considered the idea that he might be newb town doesn't mean i didn't consider it. I just thought that Consig was scum, rather than town. how is this a crime? as for the lack of any reason, i thought that saying that i had reread covered it. I look at the thread, Consig's actions, and the other cases against him. and i agreed.
So up until that point, you had no problem with consig's play - but then, for reason, something struck you as scummy?
Smash wrote:
for the Zhero wagon, I still stand by that the wagon came on too fast, and to me it seemed like there was a scum bussing or scum jumping on a new, popular wagon to look good. Just because the wagon happened too fast for my taste though, did not mean that i disagreed with it. I thought Zhero was scummy, and so i agreed with the wagon then. Call it contradiction, but i can both think that a wagon was scummy for being much too quick, and still agreeing with the case against Zhero.
This doens't make sense. You accuse it of being too fast, but you yourself stated that you were going to join it.
--- fair enough about the points.
--- until that point, no, i did not think Consig scummy. When i went back over the thread and saw what others had pointed out, I started to believe that Consig was scum. It's a crime to change my mind?
--- I saw it scummy for it to build up as fast as it did, probably with scum trying to look more townlike. I agreed with the reasoning behind, but I usually am suspicious when something happens to fast. leads to "mistaking how many votes there were" and early lynches.
ThAdmiral wrote:smashbro_of_the_SSS wrote:how can i be scum picking on an easy target when no one else is voting for mallow? picking an easy target would mean going after someone who could be easily lynched, and given that there is little to no support for mallow, I don't agree with this sentence.
2 things:
1. Mallow is a lurker and presumably won't be putting up much of a fight, hence a good place to park a vote if you don't want to cause a fuss.
2. You just admitted that you moved your votes to consig and werewolf because a vote on them would be "more productive". Another way to spin that is that you were voting for people "who could easily be lynched", hence picking easy targets by your own logic.
--- in understand what you're saying about parking a vote. However, I genuinely find him to be scummy, so I leave my vote there except when I don't. When I don't, I vote for people who I also think scummy.
--- so yes, I did move my vote to werewolf and consig. If my voted stayed on mallow, forming absolutely no pressure, then my vote is useless. but if i vote for someone else i see that is scummy, i will vote them to see how they act, and how others act towards them.
--- You first say it is scummy for me to leave my vote on someone who will not create a fuss over it. Then you say it is scummy for me to move my vote to other people. What?
@ don
you're right about the comment. after doing a full read of the game, you certainly have not thrown your vote around. I said that because of the way you voted Zhero, merely saying "I could dig that."
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Don
on page 2 votes for lew because of smilies.
on page 4 he returns, but doesn't comment on anything that has happened, only defending his vote by saying
don_johnson wrote:quick response there, powerox. vote about "smilies" really shouldn't be confusing. especially since i explained it thoroughly. what about it "confuses" you?
after the above quote, he removes his vote, as the wagon obviously didn't pick up steam.
don_johnson wrote:i may move to the gonzo wagon. i am going to reread to see if this is necessary. lew's response has been acceptable. powerox: if you don't understand the words i write then there is nothing i can do about it. i can agree to disagree with you.
unvote
he also suggests going to another reason, but says he has to read over the game. sounds innocent, but could be that he wants to test the waters and see who people would agree with a wagon on. at the time there was a 4 person Consig wagon, but it probably would have been scummy to join that wagon so suddenly. something interesting to note is that gonzoo did not have any votes on him at the time.
don_johnson wrote:i could get with a mallow wagon. but i think thad's questions should be answered.
comments like this irk me. He shows that he's willing to go on the mallow wagon, and jumps on the zhero wagon once the case is brought up again, and a second person votes mallow.
don_johnson wrote:i suggest a voting block of dj, thad, lew, and gonzo.
vote: smash
not sure why yet, but i will vote with the above block. they are my current town reads. the rest of you can hang. lew: if you want to switch to mallow you may.
looking back at the block. lew already has a vote on me, and it's obvious that TheAdmiral and Gonzooo also thinks im scummy. Just as votes and ta-da! insta-wagon! just add votes! but on a more serious note, he gets away with a vote on me, saying "he's not sure quite why" and trying to persuade 3 more votes on me. he pretty much wants to say you guys do the work, I'll vote with you.
don_johnson wrote:its nice to see smash trying, but ultimately his posts are weak. he is still using the events of the rvs to condemn mallow. i don't think mallow's actions at that point in the game were terribly scummy. smash, on the other hand, has been calling players scummy but putting his votes elsewhere. now, when push comes to shove, he's contributing, but nothing of real substance. his vote on mallow could be scum picking on an easy target or scum picking on weaker scum. either way, i think we are back to:
more votes on smash. put him to L-1. get a claim. move on. it shall be done(come on voting block).
scum-tastic. i used the unvote from rvs because first mallow says he agrees with you, then unvotes, saying he was just trying to humor you. you said the vote was serious. mallow agrees, therefore his vote is serious. then he takes it back completely. i don't call this rvs
i have been putting my votes on other scummy reads. good for me.
it could be scum picking on an easy target, ok. you could also be scum picking on an easy target, someone who a few players said they found scummy, and not posting much of a case yourself (aside from the above, which is not strong).
also, as was mentioned, the claim and move on wording is weird.
don_johnson wrote:Move on=proceed. Move forward etc. Obviously, how one ""proceeds" depends in the circumstances at hand. Questioning what I said there is lazy. Speaking of...
I have found scum. Don't feel the need to do much more at this time.
Ok, good. You say you've found scum (which I'm not). Even if I was, there are two more scum out there. and you feel you don't need to do much more at this time? How is that helpful?
don_johnson wrote:on smash: he said mallow was scum but placed his vote elsewhere. imo that warrants my earlier statement of
dj wrote:smash, on the other hand, has been calling players scummy but putting his votes elsewhere.
lew: how was the sapo shot "not really a proof of big brains, imo"? didn't sapo try and lynch a claimed power role?
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fine. no voting block. whatever. theres 14 pages of content to sift through. i would like to lynch from the mallow/smash slots. if thats not going to happen, someone has to convince me to vote elsewhere. as of right now, i am not compelled. i will reread while we wait and see if there is anything else i feel like discussing. if i missed any questions just let me know.
yes, that warrants your statement. You fail to see that i continued to say mallow was scum and said i would return with a bigger case. I've been calling a couple people scum at once, and putting my vote on one of them. so yes. i have called mallow scum and put my vote elsewhere.
you've fine with lynching either mallow or me? mallow is my top scum read. you did express interest in voting mallow, when you said competing wagons were good. By doing that you rid yourself of being on a mislynch. But your read on mallow mustn't have been very strong, was it? because when Zhero claim, you went to the werewolf wagon, thinking now that Zhero wouldn't be lynched, you would do well with a werewolf lynch.
vote don_johnson
I believe we have scum. and yes don, now I'm voting for someone other than mallow, who i believe is scum. call me scummy for that.
This seems like you're ignoring everything smash said just so you can call him scummy. I don't get why you think he should vote don over mallow if he finds mallow more suspicious. Explain for me cause I'm slow and such.
