Fringe Mafia (Game Over, role PMs posted)

[Empking]

Emp is refusing to do what?

[PogoStick]

Scum hunt

[smargaret]

Empking, it's *her* 180, not *his*.

Hop, it's only a 180 if I ever believed you to be obvtown. I didn't, and your behavior today has been far scummier today than Empking's was today or day 1 (which is what I had to go on when I made my first read)

I don't believe Hop's claim. First, when I look up commuter on the wiki, it redirects me to redirector/bus driver page in the wiki:

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The Redirector (also known as the Commuter, Magnet, or Bus Driver) comes in several flavors: One has the option of choosing two targets each Night; any actions directed to target A happen to target B instead. Another targets two players, and any actions take by target A happen to target B instead of the targets chosen by A. A third variant swaps targets between two players, so that anything targeting player A happens to player B and vice versa.

The Redirector can have any alignment, though is more commonly scum, since scum can use the ability more usefully.
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1. This is not what Hop claimed, or really anything like it.
2. Note that little bit about it being more frequently a scum role?
3. Then there's the delay between going to L-1 and claiming.

Here's what I think happened. ScumHop gets to L-1, knows a claim is expected, and takes the night to build a fakeclaim. Nobody was going to get off your wagon - if they hadn't when you said you were at L-2 and you hadn't provided any additional information since then as to why they should, why would they? And why is your role so far off from what it "should" be, according to the wiki?

[Empking]

The wiki's wrong. The classic commuter one is one that every other night can become un-NKable.

[smargaret]

You're right about Lord being dead I forgoty about that. But HOW THE HELL DID YOU KNOW NOC WAS DEAD?

Have you ever played epic mafia? Missing means dead but janitored

Another scumpoint for Hop; we're not playing Epic Mafia and this looks like scum trying to weasel out of a scumslip, especially since his role apparently prevents him from being kidnapped - ie, going missing, and he should know better. See also: Hop trying to "Find Noc" in his first post day 2; I'm not wading through his iso to find it. He knew Noc was missing, not dead, and that's a direct contradiction here.

[PogoStick]

Go play epic mafia with janitor setup

Person is missing

Almost always first response is "find him" or something like that

Plus emp is right, every other night I commute

[Empking]

Search for nocman

Nope, nice try though.

[PogoStick]

Smar your 180 was you thought emp was scum and voted him, you later side with him

That is a 180 if I ever saw one

You even said you agreed with me (pointed that quote earlier)

To now you are against me, yet another 180

But whatever you decide, I'm fine with it. The truth shall come out soon enough

[PogoStick]

The more smar talks the more I'm convinced

she

has to be scum

[smargaret]

= OMGUS. Are people not allowed to change reads?

[PogoStick]

= OMGUS. Are people not allowed to change reads?

Not when emp never really did what you wanted him to do

You even admitted yourself his case was weak, so you change your reads on a weak case

A case where I asked him to provide links and he hasn't

Vs my case made on him that nobody has disproven and he can't even refute himself

My strong case vs his weak case, yeah lets's keep the week case guy around and kill the guy with the iron clad case

That's pro town (sarcasm)

[Doombunny9]

HAI THERE!

I suggest people move off Hop's wagon, he is most likely town.

Emp- THIS is a good example of defending other people XD

I like how you didn't even post a reason for why he's town.

1. This is not what Hop claimed, or really anything like it.

The wiki is wrong. A commuter is someone who can choose to be NK-immune, the exact specifics depend on the game (usually every other night but it can be something like one-shot)

As for HOMJs claim itself I'm neutral towards it. On the one hand it does make sense flavor wise, isn't too odd of a role/too unbeleivable but on the other hand, commuter is very easy for scum to fake. (I did it once, I don't see why HOMJ can't)

[smargaret]

The wiki being wrong doesn't change the fact that the claim itself sounds fake; it was the proverbial nail in the coffin.

[smargaret]

EBWOP: "it" refers to the discrepancy between the wiki and the claim. Also,

:sigh: I was hoping people may have wised up and unvoted overnight, guess not

I am William Bell, owner of Massive Dynamic. I am pro-town commuter.

I am able to

go to the alternate universe to prevent being killed or kidnapped

Bolded part makes it sound like it's a choice, says nothing about "every other night" or restrictions on use.

Plus emp is right,

every other night I commute

Bolded part makes it sound like it's a passive ability.

[PogoStick]

The wiki being wrong doesn't change the fact that the claim itself sounds fake; it was the proverbial nail in the coffin.

If you are town you will have egg on your face when it's proved I'm not lying

[PogoStick]

Yeah I can choose to commute or not, not required to

[PogoStick]

And smar, ignoring my posts don't mean they don't exsist

I would like you to read over all my points I made about emp and tell me if you agree or disagree with them

Than I would like you to tell me why emp's case on me is more believable than my case on him

Also zang even said emp didn't start scum hunting until I attacked ( his word not mine) him, tell me in your opinion why town should not scum hunt until somebody calls them on it, and how does not scum hunting help town catch scum

[PogoStick]

Oh and one last thing smar, how does his lack of scum hunting make him more townish, than somebody actively scum hunting

Anyone voting for me can also do the same please

[smargaret]

Hop, I'm not voting you based on Emp's case, I'm voting you based on my own interpretation of your posts. If I were to switch back to Emp, I wouldn't do it based on your case either. Townie-ness is also based on more than scumhunting.

[PogoStick]

empking - has completely avoided any type of scum hunting


Ugh. Unfortunately, Hop is right about Empking. No scumhunting, no reasoning behind votes, just hopping on VI wagons. I hate agreeing with Hop. Empking, who do you think BESIDES HOP is scum?

I would like you to pinpoint exactly where you went from this thought to the 180 flip that I am now wrong and emp is not guilty anymore, considering emp has still not scum hunted and he is still on the VI wagon he hopped on to start day 2

[PogoStick]

Also, I never agreed with you about Emp - you agreed with me.

also given the previous post, please explain this lie?

cause I have pointed out twice you have AGREED with me, yet you claim it's the other way around

[PogoStick]

oh and please point out where I agreed with you

[PogoStick]

unvote, vote: smargert

I am on my deathbed so I have nothing else to lose but I just caught her in lies and I NEVER agreed with her.

her 180 flip has no valid reason even after she strongly agreed with me about empking

[Doombunny9]

@Smar- Next time you try to call someone out for faking a role, be sure you know what the role is first XD Commuters always choose whether or not to commute.

If HOMJ flips town I'm going to have to take another look at Emp and smar and if HOMJ flips scum I'm going to need to take another look at TM.

[smargaret]

I had built a read on Empking during night, you just posted before me. I got the sequence of events confused.

People are allowed to change their minds after further play - I mean, your read on me seems to have changed some, why shouldn't my read on you and Empking have changed based on play Day 2?