Objection Redux - It's all over bar the shouting!

[UncertainKitten]

Huh.

Elli's ISO is amazing. Lemme check mango's though.

[UncertainKitten]

Hmm...to be honest, with the Rhinox flip, I can't see mango scum. His vote history has been poking Rhinox before it was cool to do so. He CAN be faulted for his lukewarm thing on VV, since it could be interpretted as waiting to see where the wind blows, and also his little spiel about what he thinks of long D1s...but, I think his Rhinox views, at least for now, make him a worse play than Elli.

Vote Ellibereth

[UncertainKitten]

Also, will totally be voting DT once he confirms that he's scum.

[SocioPath]

I can't see mango scum. His vote history has been poking Rhinox before it was cool to do so.

Yeah, I can TOTALLY not see any scum motivation for that.

I know I've certainly personally never bussed obvscum buddies before to help buy easy creds and extra lives and 1ups and continues and and and.

[UncertainKitten]

Right, but even if you are bussing an obv scum buddy, you tend to move towards the prevailing wagon if yours isn't getting off the ground. He seemed to want Rhinox dead *badly*. Further, as scum, he would have no way of knowing of Rhinox's impending doom.

[SocioPath]

you tend to move towards the prevailing wagon if yours isn't getting off the ground.

DEPENDS ON INDIVIDUAL BASIS.
AND SO I HAVE CERTAINLY DONE SUCH.

But from what I know of mags, this is not his scum hunting motif.
And this is a good chunk of what I am focused on.
The way his plays when he actually has scums to find (as town or any other side that can scumhunt e.g. SK) is completely and totally different then when he isn't actually hunting for the team of scums.

[UncertainKitten]

Hmm...well, to be fair, I've found that meta gets in my way when I'm trying to figure out who the scum are :S...so, I'm leery of using it here. (I don't have a good one for m_o anyway)

[Ellibereth]

awwwwwwwwwww guys....I haven't taken my gloves off yettttt.
And I won't be.
Until tomorrow night.
Getting last SAT for a whiiiile out of the way.

[magnus_orion]

@sociopath: I don't think I''ve been mafia in a game with you as town have I?

[Fate]

I know I've certainly personally never bussed obvscum buddies before to help buy easy creds and extra lives and 1ups and continues and and and.

VOTE: Ellie
FFS

Also it should be obvious to anyone I'm scum fishin for town cred by calling Vezoktown before it was "cool to do so" using vague/no reasoning.

I mean, want it obvious when Obv VT Vi died after all she had done up to that point was vote me?

If you don't drink the kool aid there will be death.

[AlmasterGM]

ELLI IS PROBTOWN.

SOCIO IS RIGHT ABOUT SCUM BUSSING, HE BUSSES LIKE A MOTHERFUCKER.

/DRUNKPOSTING

[Fate]

Always listen to the drunk philosophers.

Vote: Mango

[AlmasterGM]

WHY WOULDNT YOU JUST VOTE VEZOK, ITS LIKE VOTING ELLI EXCEPT WITHOUT THE RISKS.

MANGUS CAN WAIT, HE WILL DIG MOAR HOLES FOR HIMSELF.

WHEREAS VEZOK WILL JUST STALL.

[Fate]

VEZOK HAS TO CLAIM BEFORE NIGHT FALLS I'VE MAD SUCH CLEAR WITH MY WORDS I DON'T NEED MY VOTE

[Fate]

...YET

[AlmasterGM]

HMM THIS IS TRUE.

UNVOTE. VOTE: MAGNUS

[Fate]

@sociopath: I don't think I''ve been mafia in a game with you as town have I?

HERE'S A FUN GAME. COUNT THE NUMBER OF POSTS BETWEEN THIS AND HIS LAST THEN DIVIDE BY HIS USEFUL POST CONTENT COMMENT RATIO, THEN SEE HOW IT = SCUM META DEFENSE DUE TO LACK OF EVIDENCE.

OH AND HE ASKED ME HOW I THOUGHT HE WAS BACKGROUND FADING, WHICH I CLEARLY EXPLAIN IN THE POST I CALL HINM OUT ON IKT

[Fate]

VasudeVa (8)

Sociopath,, Ellibereth, SpyreX, UncertainKitten, GammaGooey, Fate, Papa Zito, vezokpiraka

Fate (1)

Vi

Rhinox (1)

Magnus_orion

Vezokpiraka (1)

Jahudo

AlmasterGM (1)

VasudeVa

magnus_orion (1)

AlmasterGM

UncertainKitten (1)

Rhinox

Not voting: (0)

No one

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline is December 7th at 1pm GMT
Any mistakes in the VC point 'em out and all that.[/mech]

PapaZitoMasterBlaster iks confirmed town. I don't want a word of conf bias when that Slot posts, ok UK?

That leaves: well the rest of the VV wagon >__>

[UncertainKitten]

Question: Why is PZ confirmed town, if it would not reveal information that should not be revealed?

[Fate]

...

Why would you even ask something like that?

He's 100% town for realiable strong townreasons.

Just trust me and leave it at that

[magnus_orion]

@Fate: You should really learn to ask people questions before drawing completely wrong conclusions. People might draw the wrong conclusion and think you're unintelligent. You'll note I haven't said anything in my defense in regards to socio's meta argument. I was going to state that he has a legit point. I have been playing differently recently, I'm aware of it, socio's noticed, he's commented to that affect. He feels its vote worthy. I can't argue against that. I didn't argue against it yesterday, I'm not planning on arguing it today. So I choose not to. However, it is something socio has said, and I can use that to judge his alignment.
What I asked was whether he played with me as scum before, it is because I want to confirm that I know where he is coming from. I'm fairly certain I do. Now what I have to do is decide how likely it is for scum or town to make a meta argument like this against a player.
I'm inclined to believe scum would prefer to avoid meta, which bodes well for socio-town.

[vezokpiraka]

I am neighbourizer.

I wanted to neighbour Fate the other night. But forgot.

[UncertainKitten]

@Fate: Then I'm afraid I am disinclined to believe you. PZ has been sounding like scum, acting like scum, looking like scum, and all sorts of things like that. DT *might* be able to dig him out, but for now I'm afraid I fail to see these strong townreasons. Now, don't take this as pressure to PROVIDE them, since I assume you're holding back such important information for a reason. But...I won't be swayed by rhetoric.

[Faraday]

Vote count 2.2

Ellibereth (3)

GammaGooey, Sociopath, UncertainKitten

Vezokpiraka (1)

SpyreX

magnus_orion (2)

Fate, AlmasterGM

Not voting (5):

Jahudo, Vezokpiraka, , Ellibereth, magnus_orion, DTMaster

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline's 17th of December at 3pm GMT.

[Gammagooey]

Hey AGM why's Elli prob-town?