Open 256~Fire and Ice Mafia Over!

[JesseSheffield]

Really CKD? Go meta me. I've said it multiple times.

[curiouskarmadog]

have you said it as scum too?

[curiouskarmadog]

or maybe you can provide a link where as town you said something like that?

wait...why the fuck do you care what I think?...i thought you want everyone to beleive you think I am scum?

[JesseSheffield]

That's not my job CKD. It's not my job to make others "believe" what I want them to believe. My job is to find scum, lynch scum, and if people don't listen then that's not my problem. And how about you go find it yourself if you're that interested.

[Robocopter87]

Umm, yes it is your job, you have to present a case otherwise your "scumhunting" won't do anything at all.

You cant just call someone scum. That just doesn't work out. Its totally worthless. Nobody will listen to you. You can't lynch people all on your own Jesse.

So your argument is invalid.

[curiouskarmadog]

That's not my job CKD. It's not my job to make others "believe" what I want them to believe. My job is to find scum, lynch scum, and if people don't listen then that's not my problem. And how about you go find it yourself if you're that interested.

AND you are unwilling to prove yourself...how is that towny?....please zed..please fucking note this.

[curiouskarmadog]

Really CKD? Go meta me. I've said it multiple times.

didnt think I would call you on this bluff......

[Zed]

In my defense, I wasn't thinking antitownly about the protections. I just had the idea we could actually catch scum with it. But was wrong. We all make mistakes.

The problem is that it could show the pattern which I choose who I protect with. I haven't been successful yet, and if there is a chance that I'll be able to protect someone tonight, then it is more likely that I'll fail again if the scum knows how I decide.

Robo wanting to know about who you protected is not so much anti-town and just pro-scum (there is a difference)...

Maybe to you there is a difference, but to me anyone who does something pro-scum is anti-town.

here is my issue at this point...I am not scum..there are 2 scum between Robo, Jesse, and SB...jesse is claiming that SB is 100% town....that simply can not be OR Jesse is scum and knows SB is town (somehow) and is trying to buy a bud...it appears to be working..cause SB's vote is on me....lets say Robo is scum....we lynch him....mafia most likley will pop off you (zed)...that leaves me with SB and jesse (who would also "like" my lynch).....town is going to lose.

You telling me you aren't sscum makes me even more suspicious of you. There is no way the scum knows who the town is, or who the other scum is. They can have hunches, sure, but they can't be completely positive. And at this point, I'm not concerned about what happens tomorrow. That doesn't help me catch scum today, and at the moment, that is all that should be on anyone's mind. Why are you thinking ahead?

that is how it is going to play out going down the robo lynch...zed, I hope you see that or at least see the possibility...I am down right begging you to hammer jesse.....

Why would I hammer anyone right now if in one of my most recent posts, I explained why we should take our time? You're trying to rush the day, and that isn't helping.

if you wont, please....consider taking me out today instead....it will be 1v1v2(town)...our only hope will be that mafia either both try offing you..or they hit each other...that is a better chance of us winning than lynching robo today and leaving me alone with jesse and SB tomorrow...

Why would you point out that "our only hope" would be if the scum both tried to ban me? I find that to be anti-town.

After this I trust you the least out of everyone left.

[Me=Weird]

votecount

curiouskarmadog(2): Scott Brosius, JesseSheffield
JesseSheffield(2): Robocopter87, curiouskarmadog
not voting(1): Zed

With 5 alive, it's 3 to lynch.
Deadline is December 7th.

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[JesseSheffield]

Umm, yes it is your job, you have to present a case otherwise your "scumhunting" won't do anything at all.

You cant just call someone scum. That just doesn't work out. Its totally worthless. Nobody will listen to you. You can't lynch people all on your own Jesse.

So your argument is invalid.

And you know that's exactly how scum would think. Because scum know that they have to convince others to believe their lies. A town player doesn't have that opportunity because they don't truly KNOW who's on their team. But it's great to really know what type of anti-town mindpath you have in this game.

didnt think I would call you on this bluff......

CKD you brought it up, not me. So actually it's more of me calling you on your bluff of an unsubstantiated comment. Nice try at flipping it around though.

[curiouskarmadog]

@ jesse, you say, you say it all the time...when I ask you to show me, you dont...yeah, i am calling your bluff..if you say it all the time show me.

@zed, (sigh)...I am sorry you dont trust me..I am telling it like it is...believe me or not...trust me less or not..it still is the truth...you can easily test the honesty my words by lynching me...what part of what I said is anti town?....if we lynch robo and he is scum....scum will off you. you are on unprotected uncountered doc, that is just how this game works....that will leave me tomorrow with Jesse and SB, who both are voting me..and who will probably vote me tomorrow...

look at it from my point of view...I am town..lynching robo and all things being probable and constant....I am dead tomorrow..

so you really need to lynch me or Jesse..

I know you dont know if I am scum or town...but look at it from my point of view as both then...but as town, i hope you see that I am correct in my assumptions.

[curiouskarmadog]

also zed, i am not sure why you are completely over looking this.

Really CKD? Go meta me. I've said it multiple times.

And how about you go find it yourself if you're that interested.

[curiouskarmadog]

Jesse, i dare you to show me you are not lying with this statement.

I also dont believe for a SECOND that you believe this statement....

Vote: CKD

Town players just don't play like this. They don't beg and plead from other player, they don't go for the quickest/easiest lynch they can, and they don't throw out little appeals left and right hoping someone catches up on them. .

how about this Jesse...if you can prove you are not lying with this statement..I will hammer myself.

[JesseSheffield]

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard, you make me sick.

[curiouskarmadog]

that is what I thought..you cant....what about me asking you to prove you are not lying makes you sick.

bullshit..plan and simple...you can insult me all you want...but I caught you in a lie.

[curiouskarmadog]

if you really want everyone to believe you think i am scum..you should be chomping at the bit to a.) prove you are not a fucking liar...and b.) getting me to hammer myself....

please sweet god, someone else see that he is scum.

[Robocopter87]

Wow Jesse,

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard, you make me sick.

Was the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Why didn't you answer? You apparently think he is Super obv scumm, just explain it to him, and he'll hammer himself. But no. You cxan't even explain why you think they aren't town.

You make me sick.

[JesseSheffield]

The fact that someone would even mention hammering themselves is a) the dumbest thing I've ever heard and b) what makes me sick. You know I've seen a lot of shitty Mafia play in my time, but people hammering themselves is like #1 on my list of things I hate in a Mafia player. It's fucking ridiculous.

CKD- YOU MADE THE CLAIM. I did not make the claim. You need to substantiate yourself, not the other way around.

And there goes Robo ^^^ showing the brilliance he's shown all game.

[Robocopter87]

Why are you not giving the answer to his question?

I don't understand why you postpone showing him up regardless of alignment.

Prove you weren't lying. CKD won't hammer himself. He isn't stupid.

[curiouskarmadog]

Really CKD? Go meta me. I've said it multiple times.

I didnt make THIS claim..this is what I want you to show me....maybe I have already meta-ed and saw it was a lie....or maybe I just missed it..either way...you said this..I didnt..

[JesseSheffield]

I know you two are all pissy because neither of you actually have a case on me. But this little desperation attempt is not mine to substantiate, it's yours CKD. You can't change fact.

[Robocopter87]

JESSE WHY ARENT YOU PROVING IT?

WHY DO YOU KEEP CHANGING THE SUBJECT?

I DONT UDNERSTAND. IF YOU REALLY THINK CKD IS SCUM THEN YOU WOULD JUST PROVE IT AND GET IT OVER WITH.

[JesseSheffield]

*Again not impressed with the desperation posts*

[Robocopter87]

Dude, really? Why are you avoiding it?

[JesseSheffield]

Yes Robo, I'm avoiding it by bringing it up in every post. If anything I'm just enabling poor Mafia play on CKD's end. The correct question would be "why are you not giving CKD an easy way out?" And the answer to that would be it's great to see just how flimsy both of your cases on me are, that you're so desperate for SOMETHING to attack me with that you're resorting to this. It's perf, amazing.