Open 268: Raise the White Flag (Game Over)

[andrew94]

huh? isnt there 12 people in this game?

[andrew94]

well change post 2
xD

[andrew94]

vote shotty

obvious reasoning is obvious

[andrew94]

guys, more activity + more votes on shotty

[andrew94]

actually, chkflip used a crappy ass crap reason to put the 3rd vote on me.

and we all know the shotty is the policy lynch

[andrew94]

there isnt a cop in this set up?

though he has first letters in each C O P in 2 different posts.


p.s. he supported policy lynch

[andrew94]

look: here is the crumb

C

onfirm

o

h, and VOTE: drmyshotty

P

olicy

its even in 3 lines format. the first of each sentence
forms
c
o
p
= cop.
there isnt a cop in this game.
i dont think werewolf555 scum would be so stupid to not realise that?
this wagon stinks of oppurtunistism

[andrew94]

+ if he actually claims cop + pointing to that crumb, he would get instant lynched

[andrew94]

1) it looked like a crumb to me, but he may or may not be crumbing
2) i dont know whether werewolf intended to put that crumb there
3) there are NO COPS, so why would scum make a cop crumb???????

+ hes reactions look confused so i guess hes not scum.

[andrew94]

^ sir, your logic is flawed. according to you sir, if werewolf flips town, all people on the wagon should be exteriminted
oppourunistic:

Ah. Hadn't thought about it like that. You're so clever,

Y

yabbadude.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: werewolf555

have you heard of the term sucking up to the

ic

person who seems pro(YES YABBA i read some of ur newbie games)
here lies oppourtunism ---> first doing the 'oh shit i dont understand' attitude then 'o yea i understand votes*' attitude so it doesnt look like blatant bandwagoning

[andrew94]

i read your newbie 971 ( i just checked but may have short term memory)

you cant just say - if you think the crumb is fake you vote him.
i simply see no scum motivation for putting a cop crumb? its not like hes gonna claim cop.
all that is possible is a retard scum that didnt read the game/ accidental townie.

the bandwagon is heavily opportunistic e.g chkflip, he changes hes mind way too fast

[andrew94]

i read your newbie 971 ( i just checked but may have short term memory)

you cant just say - if you think the crumb is fake you vote him.
i simply see no scum motivation for putting a cop crumb? its not like hes gonna claim cop.
all that is possible is a retard scum that didnt read the game/ accidental townie.

the bandwagon is heavily opportunistic e.g chkflip, he changes hes mind way too fast

OK, through all this anti-chkflip rhetoric, you haven't said a word about shotty in a while and you're vote is still on him. This is starting to smell like bullshit to me.

UNVOTE:

becos shotty just got his ass on and contributed zip.
chkflip is just doing the chkflipping way of not looking at my persecption

[andrew94]

yabba, i think your actions are scummy.

your basically forcing me to choose between voting werewolf or you keep shouting scummy scum (scare tactic)

[andrew94]

lol he did give warning

[andrew94]

VOTE: drmyshotty
Don't know if he's simply being the typical idiot that he normally is or not.. but a hammer with no reason or no warning is a big ass no no.

you also said he has done this 'shit' before

[andrew94]

if you think shotty is being the typical idiot , why did you vote him. hurr hurr

[andrew94]

firstly, there isnt a person called striker in this game

to whoever who wants evidence on shotty's idiocy, refer to ALL his games.

i dont think anyone is going to rush a 'quick lynch' after a quick lynch happened on day 1. poor reasoning striker/ whoever that is

[andrew94]

^^ read WHAT

[andrew94]

@ bvoigt, just in all his games he plays like that, in those that he is not lynched, he ends up being scum

fos: chaotic neutral for that small pint

[andrew94]

i require sb to tell me what i missed.

[andrew94]

cos sb is v/la?

[andrew94]

v/la starting on 25th of dec for 4 days

hong kong = =

Noted.

[andrew94]

discussion?
i sense someone attempting to gain town credit.

vote silver

[andrew94]

because hes trying to be reasonable>?>??

= gain some town credit>???

[andrew94]

if i had a daykill , i would daykill shotty( but hes getting replaced ).


shotty left us with a pile of wifom. great...



@chaotic, 2nd scumpick? rofl- im still confused about my 1st scumpick

[andrew94]

@restirts, i will day kill shotty becos hes absolutely annoying, my vote is on silver becos i want everyone to vote for him as he is sus (obs if i was at l1 and i had the day kill i would vig him etc)


@ the guy before me i forgot your name sorry -> dont give a free pass to resirtr

[andrew94]

^sorry i meant lindisfarne.

looking at your huge post, i would say that bvoight is more suspicious, how come chkflip is??

[andrew94]

firstly, who has a strong opinion,
secondly, if your talking about lindis, then hes points are ffreaking contradictory.

[andrew94]

i dont have a day-shot... and if i did i would shoot shotty even if hes innocent child because it improves our efficency 100%. + it doesnt end the day.

what policy lynch???

[andrew94]

discussion?
i sense someone attempting to gain town credit.

vote silver

its around this post where sb is deemed worthy of my vote.

Statistically, getting replaced has nothing to do with alignment. Whether you thought he was scum or town, his leave shouldn't change your opinion on him. Any argument made from that is WIFOM at best.

This is fairly true. There are situations it could be a tell (If someone only replaces when they are scum, or only when they are town; and do it fairly often) that type of meta could be useful, but even then it is not good evidence either way. I generally try to take replacing out as Alignment Neutral.

Normally I wouldn't think somebody quitting would be evidence either way either, however I feel like with Shotty this may be true. Especially since he noted time limitations as being his reason for backing out but at about the same time he signed up for two new games. I simply feel he lost interest.

or it could be a batt gambit in one of my finished mini love games, where he replaced out claiming that i was too 'rude' and he was scum

@andrew: who do you think, besides shotty/lindis, is the best lynch candidate right now? Why is your vote on silver and not shotty/lindis if you feel so strongly about him?

look above

@restirts, i will day kill shotty becos hes absolutely annoying,

my vote is on silver becos i want everyone to vote for him as he is sus

(obs if i was at l1 and i had the day kill i would vig him etc)

How is he "sus"? I have not seen any evidence/argument of this in your posts.

firstly, who has a strong opinion,
secondly, if your talking about lindis, then hes points are ffreaking contradictory.

Can you explain why you think Lindis is contradictory?

because ,reading his posts, i inferred that bvoight is more sus then chkflip, yet he goes after chkflip

idont have a day-shot... and if i did i would shoot shotty even if hes innocent child because it improves our efficency 100%. + it doesnt end the day.

It doesn't end day but it does give the scum one up on us. I don't understand this logic either.

it was a joke of how crap shotty is...

I would also like to see chkflip explain who he thinks is scum and I'd like to hear from COD's replacement before I make any sort
of a vote. andrew and chk are at the top of my scumlist but CoD reads slightly scummy to me as well.

lol why?

bolded bits are mine ,sorry if it looks confusing, but i cbb copy pasting bits of quotes

[andrew94]

i dont have a day-shot... and if i did i would shoot shotty even if hes innocent child because it improves our efficency 100%. + it doesnt end the day.

what policy lynch???

One page one/two you wanted a policy lynch on shotty.

1) i also vote shotty first in the majority of my games
2) it was a semi serious attempt to lynch him whilst making some discussion

[andrew94]

Wifom^^^

[andrew94]

sb, i said around that quote

[andrew94]

at airport (free internet) (only things thats free) (hope my luggage doesnt get stolen)

more when my plane actually arrives and lands (stupid delay)

[andrew94]

woot 2 games day started at once.


lindis, ...
i dont like ur last post. it was like full of mathemathic fluff

[andrew94]

why is your name in the list silverbullet,,,
what kind of act is that

[andrew94]

DON'T SELF HAMMER AS TOWN!!

Anyway, I still think Snake is scum, and probably rekirtS. However, I'm wondering why the scum killed Stefunny. I certainly didn't have a strong town read on her, and it didn't seem like she was heavily accusing anyone.

this post is heavily scummy. ill explain when i get back from my new years friends trips

[andrew94]

the post 'dont self hammer as town' is redundant? scum saying it to appear to be able to say something.
nk random speculation. FRAMING???



also, im liking a lindis + bvoight scumteam.
lindis just says ' dude i already answered the question' but i say 'the answer aint good enough'

[andrew94]

i think its suppposed to be 'answered by stiker'

[andrew94]

First off, no one vote. Period.

If one townie votes, the three scum could quickly vote in on it and game over. It's a low chance of the timing on that happening in scum's favor but it is still not a risk that should be taken regardless.

errr. OK LETS NEVER VOTE AND NO LYNCH REALLY GOOD IDEA HERE MATE /end rant. as you said, the chance of 3 scums jumping on before the original unvotes is minimal, heck he could even be voting scum. 2ndly, no scum is brave enough to attempt a 3 person quickhammer, which will reveal their entire team if they fail. this isnt like the newbie lylo's

woot 2 games day started at once.


lindis, ...
i dont like ur last post. it was like full of mathemathic fluff

One: After the shit position we are in you are happy that the day started on two games at once? Way to have your priorities off the mark.

because i only had like 1 game in day and the rest was in night?

Two: You don't like...."mathematic fluff"? What? I posted WHY a no lynch was a fail idea and why the math supported it. Beg your pardon, from now on ill just throw shit out there and not back up what I say with anything circumstantial.

no mate, im pretty sure i KNOW what mylo is, why its bad, why you dont no lynch the day before potential lylo etc, so you just saying it looks like fluff to me

CHKFLIP has received a spot on my "People to not play with" list for that shit. Townies should NEVER self vote. Period. End of story. That honestly pisses me off.

i thought you would be dancing in joy. o wait... pretending

-all
Those who didn't vote are being thrown on my town list for the day (unless they do something incredibly scummy) as I refuse to believe that town would fail this bad... (though I guess it's slightly possible...). I'd ask that one of these 4 be the lynch for today (though again feel free to investigate all) Lindisfarne, Chaotic Neutrality, bvoigt, silverbullet999.

Uh no, we don't have the freedom to be narrowminded. The whole problem I have is this: "I'd ask that one of these 4 be the lynch for today" It doesn't sit well with me. This could very well be our last damn day, it's time for EVERYONE to be scrutinized. I plan on reviewing every post from everyone. Your point is endorsing the focus on 4 people (although normally I would agree with your statement, we are in no position to have tunnel vision).

only thing i agree with

the post 'dont self hammer as town' is redundant?

No, its the sign of someone pissed off. Any townie should be, since it essentially put us in LYLO. He could have at least TRIED to fight it. I'm surprised you arn't phased by it honestly.

o SURE. so everyone type 'dont self hammer as town, and they are all confirmed townies? ever heard of reverse wiki?

nk random speculation. FRAMING???

What?

whoever speculated on why stefunny died may be trying to frame someone. ill read stefunnys iso later

also, im liking a lindis + bvoight scumteam.
lindis just says ' dude i already answered the question' but i say 'the answer aint good enough'

First: you lynch a scum first before you start pairing teams, seriously how many mafia games have you played?

i played a lot. im just saying if one of you flips scum, the other....

Second: I gave my reasons why bvoigt was slightly less scummy than chk in post 194. you say its contradictory, then theres back and forth and finally I say I already answered the question. Also, you never say "the answer aint good enough" as you quoted yourself.

the answer is not good enough. your like on of those ppl that make a wall of suspects, and vote the one that seems to be less reasons for???

ur last sentence: mate.. i was gonna say town reaction but the word 'acting' came to me

bolded bits are mine, im lazy

[andrew94]

Lylo..


im know i know the maths of when it is lylo or mylo. if you guys dont know it, i have nothing to say

[andrew94]

^the 2nd sentence i was talking to lindis

[andrew94]

Right now my top suspect is bvoigt. He's the third person on each lynch, and not only that, but both times as a follower, not a case maker. It really seems to me as if he is riding the coat tails of the bigger speakers whenever they are wrong. Infact the

only

reason he stopped making his weak case on Cookie/Snake is to unvote and vote with the wagon. I'd like to point out that Snake and Bv have been tunneling each other all game, without actually stepping up to the plate and nailing a case, and without seriously chasing each other down. Snake has refused a strong read on anyone all game. Not to get too far ahead of myself, but I believe Bv and Snake are scumbuddies.

Keep in mind that I was the first to point out Werewolf's "breadcrumb." I admit I was a follower on the chkflip lynch, but my vote was made with just a few days to the deadline, as I thought it was time to start coming to a consensus.

keep in mind that although you were the first to point out the breadcrumb you didnt vote him until 2 other ppl have voeted

[andrew94]

Fos bvoight/ snake

this substitudes voting. when someone gets 4 fos then normal vote. happy??

[andrew94]

how am i rushing to vote? if anything, im delaying voting.
voting in lylo causes wifom

[andrew94]

cbb reading his iso now, can you link the quote

[andrew94]

well ill do the fos count later

[andrew94]

the suspects voting another siuspect interesting.
since the logic of scum not wanting to out of their own, snake might be scum

hmmmm

[andrew94]

Unfos bvoight/snake
fos snake instead

[andrew94]

... someone remind me who bvoight thought was scum earlier?

[andrew94]

yea, toDAY...

u changed between snaky and sriker all day, i believe u want to vote snake mainly because he voted you?

[andrew94]

re-do the Fos then

fos snake

[andrew94]

im thinking one of you has to be scum....

[andrew94]

why so persismistic
ur 17% chance of winning is if we random lynch,
and if we lynch scum today, we can see connections(cough)

[andrew94]

draw

[andrew94]

what it is is scums saying no draw via pm

[andrew94]

1) cn suggests 17%. i said that 17% is only if we random lynch
2)scum cant 'laugh in a qt' its day now.
3) what 'bad'feeling

[andrew94]

Ok, having done some ISO reading, basic vote-counting and examined voting patterns I really think it's CN. He's never voted for anyone who wasn't later confirmed town, he admitted that he should be a suspect and he was on both bandwagons.
VOTE: Chaotic Neutrality
PS If anyone wants me to respond to anything specific just post it and I will

1) its lylo
2) im pretty sure he listed others who was on both bandwagons.

[andrew94]

= =
sighs

[andrew94]

ok i read the whole thing over (Actually i stopped at page 4) and i think bvoight is clear.
notice he votes me in rvs because ' i claimed cop as vt in his newbie game (its a good strategy etc....)'.
later on, he was the first to catch werewolf apparently breadcrumbing cop. but did not vote him.
i always had a sus on him because he waited till yabba and someone to start the wagon. but now, it seems he might be careful due to past experiences with me?


and about the daykill, not sure about resirts but i said i would say that shooting shotty even if hes an innocent child would be a pro town thing to do

[andrew94]

if cn gets replaced, he doesnt get the win. i see no reason that he would forfeit the win

[andrew94]

^if he is the mafia.

also, read my points.

also, i have beenn pushing lindis but no1 listening
also, someone is pushing 'logical talker' cn now

[andrew94]

thats a bit far fetched.
cn is replacing out of all his games.
you seem to me to be making a huge post whilst jumping on the wagon

[andrew94]

inf act

vote lindis

earlier he said that he was on both wagons too and attacks themanhimself.
+ my earlier suspisions

[andrew94]

i skinned it, and your most bottom paragraph ocupied me.
its still ridicolous

unvote

[andrew94]

i find it disturbing that nacho is answering for CN = =


also, snake please explain why u voted

[andrew94]

but whatever he does, you dont know why hes doing it.
therefore....

[andrew94]

...
but if he was scum...
then...
...
...
...
...
..
.

[andrew94]

my thoughts: nacho(cn) = town
bvoight = really town
themanhimself = super scum
lindis = his unvote makaes me unsure
snake = super scum + he vote early in lylo
striker= scummy now that i look
3 scum left, 3 scum suspects. how easy?

[andrew94]

vote snake

[andrew94]

which originated from 'gut'

[andrew94]

if so i would have voted bvoight when you did.

[andrew94]

dude? you placed the vote with almost little prior

[andrew94]

EXCUSE ME
snake is wtf?
the post he quoted i was talking to bvoight about striker.
y are you misrepping me

[andrew94]

yea okay bro theres 2 days left. if anyone votes its to 'end the day quickly'

[andrew94]

bvoight's thing.
and POE

[andrew94]

process of elimination

[andrew94]

i find it funny you guys were both waiting for each other...