I'm still pretty sure Pine is scum.
All his posts just aren't thought through using town logic.
Recent posts:
Pinewolf wrote:I really got nothing to add to all this. I agree with the suspicion of DP, he's at the top my mafia list atm. With mirror not far behind.
Oh cool. You just said the 2 people who were pushing your lynch the hardest are the two scummiest people in the game and are likely scum buddies. I would classify that as "flailing" around and getting a bit desperate. (It's a bit silly to bring up site meta, but that's just something that doesn't really occur, blatant support of scum buddies etc, although meta alone isn't really reason to explain why it's silly). It's silly because it's a huge OMGUS. You just stated the two people who are the scummiest are the two going after you and your reasoning is because the way we are pushing so hard for your lynch is scummy... Umm okay. That's silly.
It then gets better with your "non-town-like" posts:
pine wrote:VOT is lurking, stays number 3 on list.
Then your number 3 is a lurker who has done nothing. Firstly, your calling out the people going after you as scummy, then you throw down the "hey the lurker guy is scum!", which is just a typical deflection move that scum use on day 1 when they are under pressure. They want to try start another wagon or get people to notice someone else scummy sot hey highlight someone who has done something that's a slight scum tell (ie: lurking) and try push a case. But really, pushing this case doesn't help town. If you think VOT is scummy you would pressure him to post more and post more content, and ask him questions. Voting him and calling him a lurker does NOTHING. That is not pro-town behaviour.
Here's my favorite part:
pine wrote:And king seems pro town, making a bunch of good posts with solid cases and good reasoning.
I'm sorry. I actually chuckled to myself. I was actually going to respond to King's post and just tear it to peaces but I can see he's trying. (And I think he's probably town but due to different reasons to you, I just get a newbie town vibe from him). King's huge wall post was useless. What good points did he make or solid cases???
ALL king did was quote mass posts and explain what happened in a post by post format. That's useless. He just repeated what was in all the posts and posted nothing of substantial worth. Maybe there was 1 or 2 good points in the huge wall, but overall it was generally useless (apologies for the harsh words king, i know you seem new but that's just my impression of your post)
Seriously, go re-read his wall (
173) and tell me how much of that was anything new or actual thought out opinions. It was just a commentary of what people said. Useless. Yet, you claimed he's town because of it.
Essentially, your posts don't show town-like thought and reasoning. Your town read on king is entirely off because he hasn't done anything in terms of useful scum hunting with solid reasoning and good cases. He posted a huge wall of "blah". If anything, I find him slightly town because he's making an effort and has done some newbie-town tells. But often, you'll find newbie-scums who play in these games by making mass wall posts responding and commenting on everything (kinda like king did) as their way of "scum-hunting" and seeming "pro-town". As it stands, I don't think king is scum but that's subject to change. I also partly think he's town, because I'm pretty sure you're scum and this just gives me the impression of scum buddying to town by calling his posts useful and solid reasoning etc etc.
pine wrote:I got nothing on tanstalus and Llama, except that they seem to know what they're doing
So i'm guessing one of these two is your scum buddy.
Now, addressing other people:
@Lunatic: (
171 re: lurking), you're right. There is incentive for scum to lurk. Scum can easily lurk day 1 and avoid a lynch. I'm actually okay with this to a certain extent on day 1. I think it's slightly "dirty" play for scum, and not how I play scum simply because I'd rather actively try manipulate people, but that's just me. Lurking does take out the fun. I really look at lurking as a scum tell when you get down to LYLO. Also, it's better to just try pressure lurkers early on via questioning them + pressuring them to post more. As it is, we only have 1 lurker and we are still relatively early into day 1 so I'm not phased at all by VOT's lack of contribution. If he's lurker scum, I will figure it out soon enough in due time. I'm busy figuring out the rest of you for now
@King: i'd rather you actually analysed rather than commentated and posted huge walls of nothing (as stated in my above case on Pine). You point stuff out and make little comments, but don't actually look at what it means or look at incentives for these actions/posts and try come to conclusions of whether that person is scum.
@Brent: Do you really think Pine has explained himself as best he could? Sure he has explained himself and responded to accusations. But then he went out and made baseless accusations and statements that just aren't centered around town-logic/thought process.
Oh and I'm glad you read up on my doctor game Brent!
Makes me feel happy someone saw that, and makes me find you more pro-town for actively looking for meta-resources. If you think Pine+llama are scum, why not vote for the bigger and more likely wagon, Pine?
@Pine: Oh dear, you just keep offering me more and more bait. You now suggest Brent and I are scum buddies? So basically anyone who attacks you is a likely scum buddy with me because I'm attacking you (the most), and if two people are attacking you they are scum buddies.. That's some poorly thought out reasoning.
Final point: I think it's more likely tanst is scum with Pine than Llama at this point. Tanst has stated how he's "slowly warming to pine being town" which seems silly from an experienced player. Pine has done nothing to show himself as being more town than before. All he has done is post more and respond to more accusations, but he hasn't done it well.
And here is the icing on the cake for this scum duo: Tanst "subtle" role fishing/speculation on llama. (I almost didn't bring it up but decided to bring it to attention, it wasn't strong, but it's definitely there)
tanst wrote:People have different outlooks when it comes to lurking, if you are actually referring to lurking and not flaking, in it by itself I do not think is justification for lynching someone, however if they only pop on once in awhile, say something noone really cares about or just parrots what other people say I would be down for a lynch, especially if they are being active in other games - however I agree with DP that this would only be from D2 onwards.
The only downside to this is they may be trying to lay low as they have a cop/doctor role and are trying not to make themselves noticeable - for me this is when I will meta someone.
tanst wrote:however Llama is to me seeming awfully quiet compared to when I played with him in SSBB. I will have to meta some of his games and see what is up.
This is bad. Bad anti-town posting. If you think llama might be a PR, keep it to your fucking self. I almost didn't bring it up, but chances are it was noticed by all including scum if you aren't scum. I know it's not really role fishing, but it is definitely suggesting that you believe llama to maybe be a PR.
TL;DR: Go read it. There's no cheats here.
Sorry for the long posts, I rarely do such long posts :/
I have only played one game with each of them, however Llama is to me seeming awfully quiet compared to when I played with him in SSBB. I will have to meta some of his games and see what is up.
If this is true then your theory could easily be correct!
