Mini 1079: Midnight Mafia- Game End

[Parama]

Holy crap, Zdenek is an arsonist. I was wondering about the different kill flavors but now it makes sense.

[Zdenek]

Holy crap, Zdenek is an arsonist. I was wondering about the different kill flavors but now it makes sense.

This rapid attempt to discredit me is scummy as hell.

[Parama]

Arsonist is a SK.
I really really really doubt a Firefighter being in a Mini Normal.

[Parama]

Zdenek, who did you try and kill last night? You've cleared me of being the arsonist anyways with that claim.

[Nathanael]

I'll claim. I'm a Firefighter. I protected Parama last night.

what's a firefighter?

I protect people from fires.

huh? could you explain your role a little better?
could you paraphrase your role PM?

[Parama]

Firefighter protects people from SPECIFICALLY arsonist kills.
I do not doubt we have an arsonist in this game (see N1 kill flavor) but I highly doubt we have a firefighter to counter it.

[Zdenek]

I'll claim. I'm a Firefighter. I protected Parama last night.

what's a firefighter?

I protect people from fires.

huh? could you explain your role a little better?
could you paraphrase your role PM?

Trouble has come to your little town.
You are the Town Fireman. Choose one person each night to protect.
You win when there are no longer any threats to the town.
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I'd like everyone to look over Parama's play over the past day. I really can't see how anyone could still think that he's town after the things he's said.

[bv310]

I don't believe it.

[Nathanael]

I find Zdenek's claim believable.
also, Parama, your whole attack on Zdenek crumbles, as it was mostly based on his connection with nexus. this is now obviously BS, since he is either a SK or town.
I can now seriously see Parama scum.
also, bv, tell me, why don't you believe it?

[Parama]

Nathanael, you are soooo scummy but you pretty much have to be town by association with Nexus or SK.
And Zdenek is SK.

[Parama]

I find Zdenek's claim believable.

Then you have never modded a mini normal before.
WHOOPS.

also, Parama, your whole attack on Zdenek crumbles, as it was mostly based on his connection with nexus. this is now obviously BS, since he is either a SK or town.

He can still be mafia, but the SK role is much more likely.

I can now seriously see Parama scum.

Because you do not have the ability to use logic.

also, bv, tell me, why don't you believe it?

Because he has modded mafia games before.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

Vote Count D-3 #2

(4)Zdenek- Parama, Charlie, RichardGHP, bv310

(2)Charlie- Nathanael, Kanashimi

(1)Parama- Zdenek


(1) Not voting- horrordude0215


With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is December 17th Midnight Central.

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horrordude0215 hasn't opened either of the pms I sent him, so I'll be searching for a replacement. He has until I find one to stay in the game as they say

-Midnight

[Charlie]

If Zdenek's a firefighter and there is an SK out there, why has there been only 1 kill per night?

[bv310]

also, bv, tell me, why don't you believe it?

Because he has modded mafia games before.

Basically this. Parama knows exactly how much I value even playing fields in my setups (Hydra should show that). Giving a counterpoint to the firefighter (the SK) would be shockingly unfair towards him. Ergo, Zdenek is scum who saw the "burned alive" flavour and felt like he had a legitimate claim available there. Or he's the SK hoping for a CC so he can kill his counterpoint tonight. Either way, he needs more rope. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTJEeszxLvo

[Zdenek]

If Zdenek's a firefighter and there is an SK out there, why has there been only 1 kill per night?

Perhaps good protections or both killers targeting the same person?

also, bv, tell me, why don't you believe it?

Because he has modded mafia games before.

Basically this. Parama knows exactly how much I value even playing fields in my setups (Hydra should show that). Giving a counterpoint to the firefighter (the SK) would be shockingly unfair towards him. Ergo, Zdenek is scum who saw the "burned alive" flavour and felt like he had a legitimate claim available there. Or he's the SK hoping for a CC so he can kill his counterpoint tonight. Either way, he needs more rope. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTJEeszxLvo

It would hardly be unfair to the arsonist, just look at how long it's taken for it to become clear that there is one, and adding a protective role helps make the game less swingy (I would guess).

[Parama]

Zdenek - if you're actually firefighter, claiming in your very first post tells the game that there's an arsonist, which wouldn't have been known by the town otherwise. That's indeed unfair to the arsonist. In a Mini Normal, SKs should not have counter-roles and should be AT LEAST investigation immune and probably NK-immune in some way as well.

[Charlie]

Let's lynch him and see what does he flip!

[RichardGHP]

Another LA until further notice

[Nathanael]

I have role-related info (i.e. info that's reliable) that either there is no SK, or town has a massive amount of protective roles.
I really doubt the first one, and therefore the second has to be the right one. It would totally not exclude a firefighter.
think about it, what's the point of making a arsonist, if you don't have a firefighter? why not just make a normal SK?

what do you think about the possibility that scum might kill by setting fire?

[Kanashimi]

That would make perfect sense. If there is a scum which side-ability is to kill with fire, that would mean Zdenek can be scum, since he was scumbuddying with Nexus, and that would also make perfect sense, as he knew making a Firefighter claim could save him or kill him. Also, how do you own that information?

[Zdenek]

Unrelated game post 'deleted'.

-Midnight

[Zdenek]

Mod: I've PMed you. Could you please remove the above post from this game.

[Kanashimi]

I lol'ed. I was about to link that post to the game it belong to, when i saw your EBWOP fixing it.

[RichardGHP]

I have role-related info (i.e. info that's reliable) that either there is no SK, or town has a massive amount of protective roles.
I really doubt the first one, and therefore the second has to be the right one. It would totally not exclude a firefighter.
think about it, what's the point of making a arsonist, if you don't have a firefighter? why not just make a normal SK?

what do you think about the possibility that scum might kill by setting fire?

Elaborate please?

Neutrality has been my view on kill flavours ever since... well, it must be almost a year now. Parama can tell you more if he wishes; I won't bore you with the details. The point is, kill flavours can vary mainly from mod-to-mod, and they shouldn't be relied on too heavily.

I think this is a safe question to ask.

Mod: Can you tell us if your kill flavours are relative to roles, or if they are purely sporadic?

[RichardGHP]

Also,

Access Resotred

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