Newbie 1038: Welcome to the Jungle! (Game Over!)

[KingTwelveSixteen]

It seemed that you decided Pine was scum around your iso 22. Just almost was a matter of convincing yourself that it was true.

iso 22? What's that?

When you are reading the game at the bottom there is a pull down that says "Display Posts By User". From there you can select a certain player and it will show you all the posts that they have made and number them in that order. Iso 22 is your 22 second post you made in "isolation"

Yeeeees

, I was trying to figure out how to do that earlier since I had seen people talking about it in the other games on this site, but all I get figure out how to do was find ALL the posts by a certain user.

Thanks!

[KingTwelveSixteen]

"but all I get figure out" should be "but all I could figure out".

[lunaticlucas]

@llama:Yes, I have a strong feeling that pine maybe scum.

[tanstalas]

@mod - any chance for a votevount?

[BrentM]

@mod - any chance for a votevount?

second that, official vote tally would be nice

[bv310]

Day 1's Fourth Official Vote Count!

Pinewolf (L-3): Tanstalas, DavidParker
LlamaFluff (L-3): BrentM, lunaticlucas
MirrorIrorriM (L-4): LlamaFluff
DavidParker (L-4): KingTwelveSixteen

Not voting: VOT Productions, Pinewolf, MirrorIrorriM

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch and 5 to no-lynch

Deadline is set for Thursday, December 23, 2010 at 11:59pm EST.

[tanstalas]

@mod - how many prod chances does a person get before they are replaced? I think VOT is due for another one by now

[LlamaFluff]

Done with finals. Was in almost seven straight hours of exams today.

Truth is I really don't like how he sounds. He just comes in and destroys cases. Not like he comes in and provides tons of evidence though.

He is playing more aggressive then productive, but why is trying to shut down cases a bad thing. If I ever get really convinced of a town read, I will try and rip apart any case pushed against them. How is him trying to cut down cases that arent on him a bad thing?

He went into King's post and goes "I could pick this thing apart, but I wont". He gives off a vibe of being so sure of himself it is suspicious.

Can you quote a post on that for me?

He is pushy, especially towards me (I'm easily manipulated I admit). He just assumes a leadership position, something which was half of my case against Lunatic. If all this Pine stuff turns out to just be some futile argument among townies, he is definitely going to shoot to the top of my suspicion list.

This I really dislike. You are setting up to lynch either me (town) or DP (town read) with a flip of Pine. You also are tossing in a few buzz words that really mean nothing in respect to a case such as "pusy" and "leadership"

My biggest vibe against him is how hard he is pushing Pine. I think Pine is scum for the most part, no doubting that. But he acts like he KNOWS your scum. I said this before I think; DP acts like either a completely reckless town, or a scum pushing a popular wagon (Pine's).

So why arent you scum with Pine then by your own logic and reads? You think he is scum and have been sticking to it for a long period of time. That means you too must be bussing him right?

[KingTwelveSixteen]

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He went into King's post and goes "I could pick this thing apart, but I wont". He gives off a vibe of being so sure of himself it is suspicious.

Can you quote a post on that for me?

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And king seems pro town, making a bunch of good posts with solid cases and good reasoning.

I'm sorry. I actually chuckled to myself. I was actually going to respond to King's post and just tear it to peaces but I can see he's trying. (And I think he's probably town but due to different reasons to you, I just get a newbie town vibe from him). King's huge wall post was useless. What good points did he make or solid cases???
ALL king did was quote mass posts and explain what happened in a post by post format. That's useless. He just repeated what was in all the posts and posted nothing of substantial worth. Maybe there was 1 or 2 good points in the huge wall, but overall it was generally useless (apologies for the harsh words king, i know you seem new but that's just my impression of your post)
Seriously, go re-read his wall (173) and tell me how much of that was anything new or actual thought out opinions. It was just a commentary of what people said. Useless. Yet, you claimed he's town because of it.
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My biggest vibe against him is how hard he is pushing Pine. I think Pine is scum for the most part, no doubting that. But he acts like he KNOWS your scum. I said this before I think; DP acts like either a completely reckless town, or a scum pushing a popular wagon (Pine's).

So why arent you scum with Pine then by your own logic and reads? You think he is scum and have been sticking to it for a long period of time. That means you too must be bussing him right?

Mirror didn't say anything about bussing, he just said he wasn't completly sure that Pine was scum and found it very scummy that DP says he is completly sure without any super-definitive evidence or anything. It seemed pretty obvious to me.

[bv310]

@mod - how many prod chances does a person get before they are replaced? I think VOT is due for another one by now

They get 3 prods. On the third one, they are replaced.

VOT Productions has received his second prod. Everyone else is good for now.

[MirrorIrorriM]

OK BACK! Sorry I was too busy to post. I stayed caught up with everything though.

He went into King's post and goes "I could pick this thing apart, but I wont". He gives off a vibe of being so sure of himself it is suspicious.

Can you quote a post on that for me?

Sure thing. It is his iso post 24

I'm sorry. I actually chuckled to myself.

I was actually going to respond to King's post and just tear it to peaces but I can see he's trying.

(And I think he's probably town but due to different reasons to you, I just get a newbie town vibe from him). King's huge wall post was useless.

I was a little off in my wording. But the meaning was the same.

[MirrorIrorriM]

Oh forgot to say this:

Since everyone says I should JUST vote for the person who I think is the scummiest and not just to get people's attention, I will place my vote accordingly.

Vote: Pinewolf

[BrentM]

since nothing is happening and i think both pine and llama

unvote, vote pinewolf

[DavidParker]

Hey guys just opened all my current games to do my quick-skim of the newest posts, and while I haven't got any content to post yet, I would like to state that Pine is at L-1, so no "accidental" hammers.

[Pinewolf]

I see...
So the general idea is still lynch me...
Well, i got nothing new on anyone. Can't really add anything.
I'm merely a vanilla townie. But if you want to lynch me, go ahead, so I can apply for another newbie game.

[LlamaFluff]

I still say Pine is town, and what he claims. Other town are DP and Brent, KTS is getting there quickly. Think that Mirror and Tans are a decent pair for scum, lurker can easily work there too. Mod really should be on him more, three posts in ten days is unacceptable.

[MirrorIrorriM]

I still say Pine is town, and what he claims. Other town are DP and Brent, KTS is getting there quickly. Think that Mirror and Tans are a decent pair for scum, lurker can easily work there too. Mod really should be on him more, three posts in ten days is unacceptable.

You claim I am scumbuddies with Tanstalas, how do you come to that conclusion?

You've been on my back almost this entire game and it is really starting to seem like a hollow case honestly. *shrug* I might have made some typos and mistakes here and there; but your constant persistence of lynching me when there is no real evidence to back your claims is really starting to get tiring. It almost seems like you have singled me out to chase down and get lynched. All mistakes and "scumtells" that you have blamed me for are merely mistakes on a newbie player's part. Sure if you use reverse psychology you can see that certain tactics in the long run are bad for town, but I am trying my best here. I haven't read any games (except for a few pages in newbie game 1033), I haven't played any other games; any advice that comes to mind that seems good at face value appears worthwhile in my mind, even if scum often use it to deceive others.

@Pinewolf: Claiming vanilla townie eh? I'll have to remember you said that for future reference.

[Pinewolf]

You've been on my back almost this entire game and it is really starting to seem like a hollow case honestly. *shrug* I might have made some typos and mistakes here and there; but your constant persistence of lynching me when there is no real evidence to back your claims is really starting to get tiring. It almost seems like you have singled me out to chase down and get lynched. All mistakes and "scumtells" that you have blamed me for are merely mistakes on a newbie player's part. Sure if you use reverse psychology you can see that certain tactics in the long run are bad for town, but I am trying my best here. I haven't read any games (except for a few pages in newbie game 1033), I haven't played any other games; any advice that comes to mind that seems good at face value appears worthwhile in my mind, even if scum often use it to deceive others.

Ok. Now change yourself with me and Llama with DP and you pretty much have our situation...

[LlamaFluff]

I am having a REALLY hard time getting scum reads this game, much more then normal at this point. I feel confident with my town reads though, and would be very surprised if more than one of Pine, DP, Brent and KTS are scum in this game. I would even be slightly surpirsed if one of them is scum. I have a lot of bad vibes about tans, and that he works with you to an extent as a partner is why I think that is a good start. Lurker really needs replacing though, especially in this small of a game. When I cant get scum reads, I rely even more heavily on my town reads. This is one of those games where I am trying to use my town reads to catch scum, but there really arent any town reads who arent pushing OTHER people I have town reads on.

Frustrating.

[BrentM]

I think at this point we should just make a decision. We may be wrong about Pine but there is not much else to go on imo. If Pine turns out to be town, it will answer a lot of questions and I think we will have a good idea on where to go from there.

[KingTwelveSixteen]

I think at this point we should just make a decision. We may be wrong about Pine but there is not much else to go on imo. If Pine turns out to be town, it will answer a lot of questions and I think we will have a good idea on where to go from there.

I assume that the decision is going to be lynching Pine then. It seems like that is the way everyones leaning to me.

For the record, I believe Pine to be town.

[Pinewolf]

For those wanting to lynch me: "I tried to tell you, but you don't listen."

[tanstalas]

For those wanting to lynch me: "I tried to tell you, but you don't listen."

Ugh, AtE

[DavidParker]

meh, ATE is common from newbie towns.

Unvote, vote: tanstalas

As much as i think not lynhing someone who has claimed VT isn't very pro-town, as long as we are lynching scum i am happy. AT the moment i am more convinced of tanst scum than pine scum. Although I still find pine quite scummy and a "possible" buddy for tanst.

[KingTwelveSixteen]

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As for my defense,

I'll respond to major concerns later

, just got home from work and heading out to dinner. I'm actually quite surprised that the people who were previously on my side are now voting me, and those who were previously perfectly happy with my accusations/cases are now the ones who find Pine scummier to me (see: tanst). It has made me re-think a few things.
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So hey, guess what I noticed in his next three posts?

Mirror is seeming "scummier" but I had such a strong town read on him earlier I'm deciding to ignore it somewhat.

I have nothing to put against you as of your last post.

For now, V/LA til i'm sober and I've had more than 2 hours sleep in a night.

Hey guys just opened all my current games to do my quick-skim of the newest posts, and while I haven't got any content to post yet, I would like to state that Pine is at L-1, so no "accidental" hammers.

meh, ATE is common from newbie towns.

Unvote, vote: tanstalas

As much as i think not lynhing someone who has claimed VT isn't very pro-town, as long as we are lynching scum i am happy. AT the moment i am more convinced of tanst scum than pine scum. Although I still find pine quite scummy and a "possible" buddy for tanst.

Not doing what you say you are going to then changing your vote right as everyone is going "Eh, I guess we should lynch Pine anyway then"?
(Or at least I was doing that.)
You are making me ever-more convinced of your scummyness. Please respond to the things we are accusing/asking you about.