Fringe Mafia (Game Over, role PMs posted)

[bv310]

So you're saying that you didn't counterclaim because you wanted to save yourself, rather than do a 1-1 tradeoff? Yeah, you're full of shit.

[bv310]

Plus you thought you were an insane Doc, and you wanted to stay alive? Better luck next time, Smarg.

[Zang]

The reason I am suspicious of bv is that I am Peter Bishop, doc.

Unvote
Vote: Bv310

TM is the only one left to claim other than Zang, and I think we should leave whether or not Zang claims anything more to him, since he's confirmed town. TM should claim next.

My role has already been revealed I'm Olivia Dunham, Transverser of worlds. Whenever I go missing, I will return 72 hours later and I will be confirmed as town.

Oh, and I'm not voting you now just in case part of the bastard mod was giving two players the same rolename - L-3 isn't necessarily safe from a quickhammer.

I really don't think a themed game even if it is bastard would have two roles based on the same person. 

[Doombunny9]

@Primate- So you're still not scumhunting and you're not explaining your sudden vote on HOMJ, kool.

@bv- Same for you. I asked you to do something a few posts back and you're still ignoring it. This is getting old.

Also anyone notice:

3.) All anti-town roles have been equipped with safeclaims.

So why the hell would bv claim something that wasn't a safeclaim?

A possible option: smar and Emp are scumbuddies. Smar purposefully CC'd bv's nameclaim to protect her scumpartner and get bv lynched thus winning the game.

Ugh... I'm so confused right now... I'm going to think about this/wait for primate and bv to post and set my vote later.

[Empking]

@Primate- So you're still not scumhunting and you're not explaining your sudden vote on HOMJ, kool.

@bv- Same for you. I asked you to do something a few posts back and you're still ignoring it. This is getting old.

Also anyone notice:

3.) All anti-town roles have been equipped with safeclaims.

So why the hell would bv claim something that wasn't a safeclaim?

He didn't have a FC that lent itself to JOAT.

[smargaret]

bv, I tried to see if I could get people behind lynching you without claiming, which is better than a 1-1 tradeoff.

Zang, I've seen one; I don't recall if the game was labeled as bastard or not though.

DB, what if bv deliberately claimed something he thought would be cc'd because when he did so, we were probably in lylo, and he was setting whoever had Peter Bishop (me) up for a mislynch?

[esuriospiritus]

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VOTE COUNT 3.02

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"I feel like I'm losing my mind."
"Oh, I don't think so. If you were actually going insane, you'd likely have no idea what's happening. Take it from me."

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bv310

- Empking, Zang

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smargaret

- bv310

Not Voting: ChannelDelibird, Doombunny9, Primate, smargaret, TonyMontana

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Day 3 will end on December 29th, 2010 at approximately 9:30 PM EST (Countdown here.) or when someone is lynched.

ATTN:

With the return of Zang, the information below has changed!

With 8 present and alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

[Doombunny9]

DB, what if bv deliberately claimed something he thought would be cc'd because when he did so, we were probably in lylo, and he was setting whoever had Peter Bishop (me) up for a mislynch?

This seems extemely unlikely. If he already set up someone (Emp) for a mislynch that would win the game for him, I see no reason why he would need to set up another one.

Anyway, I've decided to

Vote: Emp

[bv310]

I'm willing to vote for either of them at this point. They're both very clearly scum.

[Doombunny9]

Why we should lynch Emp over Smar:

1. If only one of them was scum I would think it more likely to be Emp (bv being insane<two people with the same name due to flavor reasons)
2. If I'm wrong and Emp/Smar are town, I would much rather have a doc who has the possibility to protect us and keep town alive than someone who can't. Also, if Primate is telling the truth then we could always have him use his ability if we lynch incorrectly.

[Doombunny9]

And bv, my iso #85, we can stop ignoring it now kthx.

[TonyMontana]

Initial reaction to smargs reaction:

I'd be much more comfortable if she CC instantly. Now It seems like an afterthought in an attempt to save Empking.

Speaking of which, she starts suggesting insane cops and millers. It seems like you are proposing that either bv is lying, or he is wrong about empking. Because Empking being scum isn't an option?

Also, why protect zang? I'd like to hear some reasoning.

Vote: Zang

Obvious fake Olivia

[TonyMontana]

Also, its pretty obvious Zang is dead so lets go

/Find him

As per protocol, a search party was sent out when it was discovered that Zang was missing. So far, nothing...

Anyways, my claim= Astrid Farnsworth- VT.

Are you pretending like you didn't bring scum-olivia back?

OUR OLIVIA IS STUCK ON THE OTHER SIDE, PPL!

[TonyMontana]

Unvote

Think I'm gonna let Zang stay mod-confirmed. There's bastard-mod, then there's bastard-mod. I'm gonna believe esurio is the first former, not the latter.

[ChannelDelibird]

Limited access until Tuesday.

[smargaret]

Scumteam is bv, CDB, and TM. bv for obvious reasons. CDB because I just cannot fathom why town would fake a post restriction that did not allow them to communicate - it's just too easy to say "Hey, pr here, can't take a position" and get out of committing to anything as scum. TM for voting the only person who is mod-confirmed as town (even if he did backpedal later).

To answer TM anyway - I didn't need to bring up the possibility of Emp-scum, that was already being discussed. I did need to bring up the possibilities that weren't being discussed at all.

[Doombunny9]

@TM- If you were the person who decided the lynch for today of either Emp or bv, which one would you choose?

[bv310]

Scumteam is bv, CDB, and TM.

So what you're saying is that you were willing to lynch someone in LyLo that you don't believe is scum? Nice try, scumbag.

[smargaret]

Stuff has changed, bv. I don't believe you any more.

[bv310]

What changed beyond your obv-fake counterclaim?

[smargaret]

I assume you're referring to my willingness to lynch Emp - DB already asked this and I already answered. You claimed, I didn't believe your claim any more.

[Doombunny9]

And bv, my iso #85, we can stop ignoring it now kthx.

[Zang]

So why the hell would bv claim something that wasn't a safeclaim?

His safeclaim probably didn't match the role he wanted to claim. Or maybe, scum were given fake safeclaims.

Zang, I've seen one; I don't recall if the game was labeled as bastard or not though.

Was there a flavor reason behind it? I don't think anybody would put two of the same flavor name without any reason. 

Also, why protect zang? I'd like to hear some reasoning.

Vote: Zang Obvious fake Olivia

I'm mod confirmed town. Even in a bastard game, a mod wouldn't confirm someone as town that isn't town. Bastard games are unbalanced but no game has a 100% chance of victory for scum. Which Is what this game would be if I was scum.

What changed beyond your obv-fake counterclaim?

How is it obvfake? Obvfake does not mean that you have the same role name and are town. Because that is not obvious to the town.

[smargaret]

It was a pokemon-themed game, and I know absolutely nothing about pokemon. I think bv was actually a player in that game, though.

[Doombunny9]

Even in a bastard game, a mod wouldn't confirm someone as town that isn't town.

Lies... I've seen anti death millers before (Scum that appear as town when they die). If they can "confirm" dead scum then they can do the same to alive ones. It's called a bastard game for a reason. Nevertheless, I beleive your claim.

@Mod- Prod on Primate?