DEFCON Mafia 2.0 - Over, American Victory!

[RedCoyote]

Going back in time a little bit, everyone. I'll probably have to do it again given my V/LA times, but it won't be near as long. These are my notes on the game. Given that some of you cannot control yourselves, post-wise, this was necessary. You don't have to read all of it, although you are welcome to. If you asked me a question in the past 15 pages, it's answered in one of these spoiler sections. It would be nice if you address anything that I ask you specifically in here though.

Without further ado:

Spoiler: Don't say I didn't warn you PART 1

There is no good reason to launch independent of a wagon with votes. Period.

I just don't think I agree with this. What about the Sub? I mean, if an American gets a Sub, should he just not use it? There are a lot of players in this game, JC.

For the same reason it doesn't work in other Mafia games, it won't work here. Even if the person does nuke back on a town nuke it still is rich with information from the wagon.

But this is a good thing.

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Also, it would be somewhat interesting for someone to declare they have a nuke and go through 2 weeks of discussion only for him to say he doesn't have said nuke and just wanted to see how the discussion went.

What in the name of all that is holy, loving, and sacred, is this supposed to mean? Your ideas frighten and confuse me, and my natural reaction is to say that you are that much scummier for suggesting them. This sounds like some form of nuclear reaction fishing gone wild. You putting it out here like this in the middle of nowhere is something I will remember.

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OK IF SOMEBODY IN THIS GAME DOESN'T ANSWER THIS ARGUMENT AND PUT IT DOWN, I FRANKLY GIVE UP AND GANDALF IS MY NUKE IF I GET ONE.

I agree with your argument, but I just don't agree that it fits here.

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Liking AV again this game (Post 454)

I agree with Toogeloo here (post 463)

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Are you aware that there are 10 power roles?

But you should understand that not everyone might be able to make the best use of all the power roles. Like Percy concluded, the Fail Safe is probably not a great roll for town. If someone is nuking you, statistically they have better odds of being Americans than anything else. Scum are probably going to be exceptionally careful about nuking someone in this game.

That said, I do kind of agree with you that most of the powers should probably be selected before a silo, but if players think they'll have more luck with a silo (which actually is a pretty decent power given that it works as either a one-shot kill or as a one-nuke protection). So, I mean, in conclusions, the silo

is

a valid power role consideration.

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So, what would I do as scum here? Just this. Control as much as possible (note: this is also part of the problem with "THE LIST" but I'll get there later).

I can agree with this, yeah.

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Post 505 and 508 are both good Toogeloo posting. I'm really liking our panda at this point.

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You DIDNT post BakuTown clarification relaxed and observant Town post.

So your argument is really, "he didn't post what I thought he should, so he's scum"?

When you read this post your reaction wasn't:
"defending dana? I wasn't defending dana.

[...]

You reaction WAS INSTEAD:
"I never defended dana!

Yep. It is. This is crap, Fate. This is you injecting some predetermined context into what Toogeloo should do.

Fate: I know what you're going to say!
Toogeloo: No you don't, I think this!
Fate: WTF YOU ARE SCUM THEN!

Youre fucking quote snipping.

Everyone does. Townies have to scumhunt, but that doesn't mean they know everyone thinks they're town. They can't get lynched either. They have to make sure they stay on top of things and get people to understand them.

Anyways, you're blowing this entirely out of proportion and playing your hand way too quickly. If there was any connection between Toogeloo and dana, they're aware you're onto them now.

YOU EITHER COMMENT ON IT, ELABORATE ON WHY YOU WANTED MY SPYREX READ, COMMENT ON MY SPYREX READ, GIVE ME SOME THOUGHTS ON DANA AND TOOG, OR STAY THE FUCK OUT OF IT.

He's commenting on a completely different topic.

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Your refusal to admit the potential impact of your list is also troubling.

This is a silly stance, truly. It's also hypocritical. You attached yourself to Percy's famous post as soon as you saw it, and I don't remember you criticizing him for his list, yet, when me or Toogeloo elaborate on suggestions for choosing powers, you seem fixated on it.

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It's DEFCON 4... I got nothing but interaction reads atm. The only "buddying" that's happened is those who feel we should commune on our Nuke use, and those who want to be rebels.

For what it's worth, I know it. This is Fate playing to his character rather than actually keeping a critical eye on the game, which suggests to me that he's trying to make townies see boogeymen where there are no boogeymen.

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I'll let him respond to that when he gets back in two days 9.9 But that's quite the dodge.

What are you talking about let him respond? He's talking about your assessment, not Percy's. There's no dodging here, it's a completely valid argument. "Suggestive lists" aren't scummy. I mean, you'd have to be pretty thick to think that if I told everyone that Fighter was a good pick that that necessarily means that I'm scum trying to lead people to Fighter and away from another power. Who's to say which power is more useful in X's hands rather than Y's? It's WIFOM and it's pointless.

But the fact that you didn't have a problem when Percy did the same thing earlier is what's most troubling.

So ya, I guess you've succeeded in lessening my town view of him.

This doesn't sound particularly sincere. Percy's list wasn't exactly hard to miss. I mean, frankly, he made two big, sweeping positions in that post. One was about community-controlled nukes, and the other was about choosing powers. It's hard for me to believe that you missed that, honestly.

For some reason this second example in my head = your first one as well. That one got quoted so many times in a row it stuck in my head. Thanks.

Eh, I don't buy it. You're moving a mile a minute in your posts. That's not my problem and it's not Toogeloo's problem. You're out of control because you're throwing silly arguments across the board without putting any weight behind them. Toogeloo calls you on it and all you can give him is that you can't keep track of it all? Nah.

RC seemed to warm up to the "choose cop first" idea as well.

No, I mean, this isn't right. I wish I could check the thread 30 times a day like you both do so I could've responded to this earlier. You saw my post because you responded to it. The Fighter was merely an example. I said that if you want an investigative role because you've been successful with Cop or Tracker like roles, then that should be near the top of your list.

Look, the point is you are being overly general and losing track of everything thanks in part to your hectic style but also thansk in part to the fact that you want to smear people for giving valid opinions on the power system. The motivation for the latter part is likely scum-oriented.

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Glad you could join us there, komrade bobsnox.

Why aren't any of the other lurkers comrades?

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Why is it that sanctioning nuking is a bad thing? I think getting as many people involved in the nuking process and limiting the chaos a nuke-filled game promises is a good idea. Is there any reason why we shouldn't sanction nuking?

Because rational players will act rational and irrational players will act irrational. I doubt there will be much cross interference. I don't think we'll be seeing Percy nuking AV, or vice versa, anytime soon. Both of you have different points of view, but both of you are also able to hold a discussion without needing to enter launch codes.

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Bunny way to oversimplify the case, what the fucks the matter with you people?

No one wants to read 10 pages of the same back and forth between you, JC, and Toogeloo.

[RedCoyote]

Spoiler: Don't say I didn't warn you PART 2"

PS I will try to do a wall post instead of inidividual replies to important stuff since you brough it up RC.

I'd appreciate it, honestly. Not everyone likes it, but I think it's easier to go with. I'd rather see 2 pages of long posts that interweve and discuss multiple different arguments than I would see 10 pages where people write a couple of sentences every few minutes, someone leaves, someone joins, and it all just goes back and forth. It's harder to get a feel for a person when he responds to one specific person and issue and nothing else. A good example is the exchange between Fate and Toogeloo. If you read just that section of the game, you'd think Fate is completely sold on Toogeloo as scum. I'll bet you, however, if we fast forward ten pages from this point, Fate won't be voting Toogeloo and, instead, he'll be acting just as "intense" (I say intense in quotes because we all know it's an act) about someone else over something else.

If you fail to get a PR you get Silo so there is no need to put it on your list and there is no competition for it. You can set it in any mode you want once you receive it.

But the silo is a power in and of itself. I have a feeling you don't grasp this. The silo isn't a vanilla townie role, it has a real function in this game. It isn't necessarily the most worthless thing here, not by a long shot. To you it may be, but I could easily see people putting a silo at the top of their list simply because it allows them to both kill and/or be protected from a nuke on any given day. That's a good thing to have.

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That's not a good comparison. I like MoI town. Not so much Baku scum.

Am I just to assume you're going to be a mouthpiece for Fate this game, gandalf?

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Btw is it worth it to double-nuke people, so that even if they are in defensive mode, they still die? I feel like it is, since it would halve the number of nukes, and ensure that all nuked people died.

Please don't ignore my questions, chess. I mean, I get why you would ignore talking to Fate or JC, but I'm more grounded, chess. I'm not going to take you out to the shed and beat you to death with posts. I want to know why you're aligning yourself with dana outside of the fact that 3 or 4 people have labeled dana as scum (3 or 4 people in a 20 person game, mind you).

I got more than that, RedCoyote.

Town:(like, forealz)
Dana
bobsnox (played with him on another site)
AV

those are like 100%/

What's 100% mean, though? Does it mean you're never changing your mind or does it mean you are, at the moment, comfortable they are town.

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Btw, I got the full DEFCON game. Creepy music.

Isn't it great? I don't think I've ever played a game so atmospheric. Turn the lights off, plug in a good pair of headphones, and crank up the A/C (it's winter for most of us here except for Vas and Percy, so just turn down the heat), and all of a sudden you're at ground control. It's really quite a fun game.

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I didn't notice the change. Sub is much easier to catch now.

How do you figure? It looks, if anything, more difficult to catch. In the last game you only got one "hidden" nuke, but in this game it looks like all the nukes are hidden.

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As far as I see Jed is being called scum for being loud and lioudly saying things that are loud because he has to stick to said loudness and can't back dwon because he's already chosen his "fake townie mask" or some shit.

In other words Jed is either your buddy or he's Percy's. I think Jed has a big connection to one of the more "respectable" players in this game (I don't mean this as a slight, I'm just trying to make a point).

No, but, although I don't think Spyrex has done a great job selling this lynch, JC should be a major consideration for the first lynch given his hypocritical arguments and constant reaching.

HOW COULD I FORGET THE BEST TOWN PLAY IS TO TAKE THE EXPRESS TRAIN TO NUKETOWN?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: JED

Okay, I might concede the above. I want to see where you go from here though.

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Utr Lurkers

Bobsnox
Sociopath
Jack
Bunny
Internet Stranger

Could you all please post your analysis of DEFCON 5 & 4 because we have very little in the way of content to judge your play on...

Why did you leave out Baby? Oversight?

@Red Coyote: You said that lurking was a red herring in Defcon 1 (because lurking was seen as a scum tell due to scum typing in their QT), could you elaborate on that?

I think you're paying more attention to posts than you let on, which is definitely a reason why I've got my eye on you.

It was a red herring because it turned out not really being true. I mean, I guess, to an extent, Papa Zito was guilty of this, but Hito and SP were both mostly on top of things during this period. I think Enigma originally brought the idea up, and he was town. I latched onto it as scum because it mostly brought heat on lurkers who were town. I think both Zhero and Doombunny caught a little flak from it. Zhero's lynch was a real tipping point in the game, and, if I may, I think it was brilliantly executed and planned by us out over the course of the entire game.

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Sure, why not.

unvote vote: Jed

I haven't seen much real contribution from him.

...what in the hell...

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I don't like his pro-town parroting from DEFCON 5 and 4, and his activity was minimal at best beyond that.

I love how American you are. I'm feeling really good about you and AV right now. I'm also really put off by Baby.

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I thought I say Jed name, but it was Katsuki. Therefore my vote has no reason to stand.

Could you explain this?

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His list is fine and he said he was coming with more when he has time and I believe him because he has like 150 posts, your suspicion sucks which makes you more likely scum.

You have little room to talk. Jack no posting = Jack as scum or Jack as an agitator.

I'm not saying you're lurking, I just think all players should unite in providing shared content so that we can all prosper equally. Everyone has a responsibility to post according to his ability to, because we have a right to get as much material as we need to get a read from.

Lol. Okay, I admit I love this post.

And you are right in the sense that the way JC, Toogeloo, and Fate have been dominating the discussion is completely overshadowing at least five different players who no one has a right to say they can really have any good reads on.

"Could you all please post your analysis of DEFCON 5 & 4 because

we have very little in the way of content

to judge your play on..."--Jed cooper

"BUT INTERNET STRANGER HAS 35 POSTS, HE'S THE 6TH HIGHEST IN THE GAME"--spyrex

Jack's got you here, Spyrex.

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Pound for pound, IS has more content than most.

This is the second time you've come to bat for IS. I'm not feeling it, man. It feels completely artificial, especially in light of how Jack just framed it. Just because you want IS to be scum doesn't make it so. IS has given reads, I'll give you that much, but JC has clearly done more by any reasonable measure.

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but if jed is scum, he's scum _with_ gandalf, right?

I doubt it. What makes you think this, though?

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After the past few days, I am as confident as I can be that dana, IS, and VV are all town.

You were already pushing your luck voting Fate (even though everyone knows you and him aren't good buddies), but this is really asking for a lashing. I'll give you Vas, he's okay. IS, well, I'm not so sure about. dana is really just not worth saving. He may be town, you know, but he's past salvation here. People who are coming out in support of dana after his horrible vote are really risking being labeled as scum trying to earn points post-flip.

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Oh btw horrible thought.
If scum get battleship and failsafe
the failsafe guy can't be killed without two town deaths(or a lynch+nuke) unless the battleship dies first

I don't think a lynch triggers a nuke on a Fail Safe power owner.

[RedCoyote]

Spoiler: Don't say I didn't warn you PART 3"

Post 745 by AV is good, as usual.

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SPEAKING OF CHESSKID, AS OF PRESS TIME THIS CLOWN WENT FROM VOTING TOOGELOO TO SHEEPING TOOGELEOO WITH NOT SO MUCH AS A "I AGREE HEHEHE" ALSO NOTE THAT EARLIER HE HAD CONCEDED TO NOT BEING ABLE TO READ ME.

So there is a reason to read your posts after all. This one little gem I hadn't noticed. Props to you for pointing this out, Fate.

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Post 750 is a good Toogeloo post. The elephant in the room, of course, is dana's vote. I'd be willing to absolutely go with you on your dana read if not for that vote. You ignored it here, which is absolutely telling and really kills your creditablity, I'm afraid.

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confirm vote: Internet Stranger

What is your definition of a confirm vote? There are two separate, very different definitions.

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Failsafe is a nuke. Any reason to believe a pro-town looking scum wouldn't try to nuke a scummy looking townie?

Why didn't you address this when Percy first brought up the perils of Fail Safe for townies? Statistically the Fail Safe will hurt a fellow townie far before it would hurt a scum member. This is not good, Toogeloo.

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Answer: So I will try. It's as simple as that. I'm not going to waste any more time on a game where people are stupid enough to lynch me like this. If you want to lynch someone else, go ahead, and I will be an active participant in this game. Day 1's not my thing anyway.

Last time you gave this pissy attitude you flipped town. I'm not going to defend you though. You know your vote was crap, and you're not even going to try and defend it.

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Make people claim their submitted lists before they die.

What's the point of all this? Why are you trying to outthink the Mod and the system? Why are you rolefishing? Just stop, because you are looking worse and worse to me.

Okay, so, in summary.

Normally I would put a Scumscale here, but there's just too many living players. It would be too cluttered and unusuable. AV is good, Toogeloo was pretty good, but he's been really slipping. If you've played with me before, you know I have no problems with lynches. Although dana is probably town, there's no excuse for his vote. Anyone who's willing to ignore his vote is likely playing to the idea that it will make them look good. On the same token, it might be the thinking that dana is an easy lynch, and, therefore, a good thing to jump on. Still, I'm less inclined to persecute those on the dana wagon. dana never thinks he's wrong and just completely closes off the second someone suspects him. He's not worth defending because he's pouty and won't give us the information that the town needs to grow and succeed from a townie who is being voted. This is all assuming he is town, by the way, which could be wrong for all I know.

My top three suspects at the moment are JC, Fate, and Baby. I'd be most willing to go in one of these directions, but I'm open to other arguments.

JC has consistently been all over the place this game. I shouldn't need to tell anyone (except, perhaps, Jack) that he's been fairly unprincipled in the light of a loud minority of players getting under his skin. He had a clear, valid position, he was pressured, and he relented. This could mean he's trying to appease others. This could mean he had a change of heart. It's more likely, based on my read, that it's the former. JC perceived community-controlled nukes as a losing battle and gave up on it. Moreover, he had invested early in how town he thought Percy was, only to be pushed back by Toogeloo when JC hypocritically called Toogeloo out over a powers list he made. Moreover, JC, in general, has just been oversaturating the game with posts. He doesn't want to be taken the wrong way about anything. This heightened sense of awareness is more likely a scum trait than a town one. IS and Fate have given him some guff over the game, but nothing to justify such a swift change in attitude, I think.

Fate's over-the-top attitude comes as a surprise to no one. He seemingly does this regardless of his role alignment. I think what separates him here is the fact that he's kind of been making it up as he goes along. His argument against Toogeloo was over a dozen posts of nothing. There was no case. It had something to do with what he though Toogeloo "should have" said, if he were town. No one has really ran with it, even Fate jumped at the chance to nail dana only a few pages later. It felt so completely artificial and concocted that it was worthy of me keeping my eye on Fate throughout the remainder of the game I hadn't read. I guess the other big red flag for me was when DEFCON 3 opened up. Spyrex asked Fate to vote JC and Fate resisted. I kind of struck me that Fate and JC has been a weird combination. Although they both have a large number of posts, neither of them have really came at one another. I don't like the relationship between these two at all. My read on JC thus affects my read of Fate and vice versa. If one of these two players is lynched, I'll probably end up changing how I think about the other one.

As far as Baby goes, he's kind of my lurker lynch. I like what Toogeloo has had to say about him, and Fate's defense of Baby has been a bit unsettling. There's just not much to say about Baby. Baby strikes me as a more active player who has been sitting on the sidelines. When he does make a post, he mimics protown positions of others and tries to blend in with the crowd. I don't think this is what Babytown would necessarily do in this game. There's not much to say here that Toogeloo didn't already say when he called him out. We have about 6 lurkers here, you know, so you can take your pick. bobsnox actually took on IS, which is probably something a scum player wouldn't bother doing as a lurker. Kat has given reads and tried to elaborate on them. Some of them are too easy, but they are varied and unique. I feel like SP has engaged the discussion a bit more than Baby has. I can't think of anyone else off the top of my head, but Baby definitely strikes me as worse than all of them.

In regards to the dropped QT posts. I'm currently analyzing them. I'd like Percy to give us his opinion, because he was great at picking up meanings to them. He was more accurate than even he thought he was last game.

Mod: Do we know which scum team these dropped posts are from?

(No, the faction of the dropped message is not revealed. --AGM)

Vote: Jed Cooper

[Bunnylover]

@RedCoyte:
That post is a lot to read, so at the moment I just read what was addressed to me.
I placed a vote on Faraday since I thought he voted for Jed then went to Dana for no reason. This to me was bandwagoning. In fact, Faraday didn't vote Jed but voted Kitsuki (or w/e sorry im impatience right not) then Dana. That isn't as bad as what I thought previously, although a little suspicious.

[danakillsu]

unvote vote: Fate

I don't necessarily think he's a ton more scummy than usual, but I think that his play is hurting the town, since he has not had any votes on him until now, and still posted nothing helpful. Again, I wouldn't be disgusted with this game if it wasn't going the way many of my past games have.

[chesskid3]

100% as in you can quote that shit post game and they will all be town.
Battleship protectnig a lynch target means they don't die. SO we have to nuke them to kill them, then failsafe would kick in.

claiming submitted list can out lying scum.
For example if come MC time they claim fallout shelter and it was 2nd on their list they say, if there's a dead town who put it first, or a live person who has it first, there's a counterclaim.
So basically the sub has to get good luck with a fake list, etc etc

[chesskid3]

if I missed antyhig adressed at me lemme know

[Jack]

FOS:aurorus

745 is scummy

fos:bobsnox

756

smack:bunnylover[/b[

799

[Jack]

unvote, vote:Aurorus

[Katsuki]

Faraday you have yet to explain why I was scum.

Fate worries me. I have seen quite a few fate reactions when I have called him scum/voted him in the past, but this game, he seems to be going overboard. As if he thinks noise can drown out what panda is saying. Considering how well panda and fate supposedly know each other...

Vote: Fate

FOS: Bunnylover

for iso #12, plus what I said in my iso #16.

@Mod: Please fix the quote tags in my iso #16. Thanks.

(Done. --AGM)

[AlmasterGM]

[Day 1, DEFCON 3 - Vote Count I - The Beginning]

"The purpose of all wars…is peace." --Saint Augustine

[Votes]

AurorusVox

(1) - Jack

Baby Spice

(0)

bobsnox

(0)

bunnylover

(0)

chesskid3

(0)

danakillsu

(5) - Faraday, Fate, SpyreX, gandalf5166, Internet Stranger

Faraday

(0)

Fate

(5) - Toogeloo, chesskid3, bunnylover, danakillsu, Katsuki

gandalf5166

(0)

Internet Stranger

(1) - bobsnox

Jack

(0)

Jed Cooper

(3) - SocioPath, AurorusVox, RedCoyote

Katsuki

(0)

Kitoari

(0)

Percy

(0)

RedCoyote

(0)

SocioPath

(0)

SpyreX

(0)

Toogeloo

(0)

VasudeVa

(0)

Not voting

(5) - Baby Spice, Jed Cooper, Kitoari, Percy, VasudeVa

[Activity]

The deadline is Wednesday, 29 December at 11:59pm EST. Eleven votes are required to lynch.

No prods currently needed.

[Toogeloo]

claiming submitted list can out lying scum.
For example if come MC time they claim fallout shelter and it was 2nd on their list they say, if there's a dead town who put it first, or a live person who has it first, there's a counterclaim.
So basically the sub has to get good luck with a fake list, etc etc

Firstly, any players that die to stealth bomber aren't going to be claiming their lists. Secondly, it's more plausible that players will just claim Nukes in ICBM mode, adjust a fake claim based on the info that's been provided, or just claim what they really are since scum and town shared the same list.

[chesskid3]

but come MC time with all the lists out there if they got a power role they'll have to take a chance come popcorn time with their fake list.

[chesskid3]

it's a way of forcing real claims

[Internet Stranger]

Chesskid. Drop the crap with this claiming. Like I said, anyone that is about to be lynched will give out a hearty fuck you and not post anything or will bitch and cry like Dana does. Why should they help us as we string them up?
In the meantime, we have three candidates:

Komrade Fate
Komrade Jed
Komrade Dana.

So whats it going to be? Dana is a whiner. Jed is a flip flopper and Fate is.. well. Fate.

[SpyreX]

This is the second time you've come to bat for IS. I'm not feeling it, man. It feels completely artificial, especially in light of how Jack just framed it. Just because you want IS to be scum doesn't make it so. IS has given reads, I'll give you that much, but JC has clearly done more by any reasonable measure.

Ahh, but thats the thing.

HAS he?

If I have to go through and do a post-by-post on those posts I will. But, I really shouldn't. Because, just go ahead and scan that ISO and get back to me with this after really looking.

Because cut out the white noise and ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE NUKES and you'll have (and this is a guess) less posts than IS.

And of those posts? I bet you'll find 3-4 actual "reads". Hell, cash money says that his "list" shows more actual definitive reads than in all those posts.

And that, of course, is ridiculous.

(and, again, I'm not 'batting' for IS. IS is the example because by any measure him being on that under the radar lurker list is pure hogwash.)

And no way in hell is Fate going to be a D1-D2 lynch. Its not happening.

Not on my watch.

[SpyreX]

(Note: I also don't want Toog as a D1-D2 lynch).

[chesskid3]

It is not crap.
if you don't understand how it fucking helps and CANNOT POSSIBLY HURT you sir are quite dumb.

[VasudeVa]

I lied. I can't catch up today either due to some unforeseen circumstances(like waking up 2 hours before a 1 hour 30 minute trip I'm supposed to make). Sorry guys.

For now,

vote: Bunnylover

. Out of all the 'Hey I'm posting stuff on DEFCON 5-4' people, I seemed to dislike this guy from what I remember so long ago. Will make a bigger awesomer post once I'm done being busy.

My V/LA starts today so. >.>.

[SpyreX]

Chess,

Under the guise in a setup like this sans a few key pieces scum don't have any reason to lie (and town better not be) depending on WHEN said massclaim happened it could hurt by painting pr targets.

Now, the way it CAN be useful is at MC time forcing via popcorn to potentially catch scoobydoo scum who lie about their list.

But, thats a ways away and its really moot.

[chesskid3]

if you're about to die just claim your list if you're town
don't clam if you aren't about to die
gosh

[Faraday]

Faraday you have yet to explain why I was scum.

scummy posts/horrible list sums it up quite succinctly.

[AurorusVox]

FOS:aurorus

745 is scummy

Care to give a bit more detail about this?

[Internet Stranger]

Seriously Chess, do we have to spend 20 pages on this too?

* ANYONE THAT IS ABOUT TO DIE WOULD HAVE NO INCENTIVE TO GIVE US ANY INFORMATION *

Especially when youre talking about the information as being received posthumously. So not only are you just looking to antagonize townies, youre looking to out town PR roles and giving the scum an incentive to lie, since youre going to kill them anyways.

But stop trying to be more clever than anyone else. Put your panties back on and go on FateRage rants and find us some communist scum.
Where is Rage anyways?

Where is that scum Percy? Is he back from whatever V/LA nonsense he is hiding behind?

[chesskid3]

that's not true
town about to die will give the damn info