Mini 1090: Of Rogues and Curses ~ Game Over

[mothrax]

And I say once again, yes I have and I know you are better than this

[gandalf5166]

I'm not sure what the fuck you're talking about, but you also know that I literally ALWAYS bus like fuck D1.

[Vi]

Get on with the rest of your content.

[tanstalas]

I'm not sure what the fuck you're talking about, but you also know that I literally ALWAYS bus like fuck D1.

If I go back to any of your previous games I will not find any games where you did not bus on D1?

[mothrax]

Mariyta: Vi, Inhim, Troll, Gandalf, Uite (l-2) (xvart after claim)
Unvote order: Uite votes xvart, inhim votes me (after wagon on me begins to form), Both exe and nocase try to revive the mariyta wagon, Vi votes Exe, exe votes me, gandalf votes me, nocase votes exe,

Exe: vi, nocase, tanst, inhim, troll, vp (l-1 with xvart willing to hammer and voting after the fact)
Unvotes: Vi, VPB to Troll, nocase to me, inhim to me

This probably doesn't make sense just yet but give me a moment to type up my explanation.

[mothrax]

These are the wagons at the time of claim on both players who have been wagoned to claim.
People on both wagons: inhim, vi, troll
What strikes me as odd: troll gripes about the number of claims yet he has been on both wagons so far. Xvart’s votes on both wagons come after the claim… so a few questions:
@Xvart: Do you believe any of the claims so far, and if so whom?
@inhim: care to explain the ridiculous amount of vote hopping?

[nocase]

okay, look, just cut to the troll wagon bit.

[Zorblag]

@nocase, if Exe and I are in the same corner with inHimshallibe (which I assume is the corner you put people in that you don't trust) why not vote for Exe who's got a wagon that might end up in a lynch here? If you want to suspect inHimshallibe that's up to you but I have my doubts about how useful the vote on him is right now. I do want people to make their own decisions about who is scummy, but if one of your top candidates is a lynch that could happen when we're on in the day I'm not at all sure why you'd stay off them.

@Vi, did mothrax's post live up to your expectations? I sort of hope that you didn't have them set too high.

@Ythill, I'll be V/LA from tomorrow till the deadline while I visit Portland. I'm hoping that I can talk my host out of some computer time periodically to stay caught up; perhaps you could put a good word in for me? *grins*

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Vi]

@Vi, did mothrax's post live up to your expectations? I sort of hope that you didn't have them set too high.

Not incredibly so.
Aren't

you

going to respond to him?

[inHimshallibe]

@inhim: care to explain the ridiculous amount of vote hopping?

Care to explain why it's scummy and not just some random buzzword you're throwing out there to draw attention and not actually scumhunt?

[Zorblag]

@Vi, you mean the bits where he says that my irritation at too many claims sounds like town frustration (complete with build up that he had a town read on me for a reason) and then almost immediately finds it troubling that I'm on both of the wagons where there was a claim and am complaining about it? I don't think there's anything there that I need to explain to others particularly, and I'm not overly convinced that he'd have good motives for that sequence of thoughts as scum (as opposed to just a player using unimpressive reasoning regardless of alignment) so no, I don't really see a huge need to respond. At this point Exe is still a better lynch.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Vi]

(Note: VI here means "person who will look scummy regardless".)

My experience with mothrax (one game in which I was scum and he was town) was that I found him pretty attackable for many of the things that he did. I'm inclined to think that he plays a somewhat scummy game by default. He needs to do a bit more but I'll wait till he's had a chance to deliver the post he promised before judging too much.

VI getting a temp. pass.

Like I said earlier, I prefer an Exe or mothrax lynch today if we're not lynching Mariyta (and apparently we're not I guess.)

#2 lynch.

Re: mothrax: As I've said, I expect him to look scummy from the game I played with him. Having said that, he's particularly detached here and we don't have much at all in terms of his suspicions. The gandalf5166 vote when Mariyta was the main wagon sticks out in part because there's not much else to look at and in part because, despite what he says it does look like he's trying to center attention somewhere other than Mariyta when she's getting plenty. I'm not inclined to believe that by saying he doesn't dispute gandalf5166's case on Mariyta he's saying he finds it equally valid (which he seems to be trying to claim now.) If Mariyta is town then I lose a lot in the way of motives for mothrax's play but there's still esentially no scum hunting that I like given that I don't buy the gandalf5166 case he's making (I was fine with what gandalf5166 did there.)

If we're not lynching Mariyta today I'd prefer Exe. If we were going with mothrax I'd rather just stick with Marriyta, really.

VI who looks scummier than usual but may just be a big blob of ?. Not Today's lynch (this is before the Exe claim IIRC).

I don't think that mothrax is a great lynch now myself, but if you intentionally avoid lynching people who aren't contributing then you're giving scum lurking as a tool to get away with never seeming scummy and not getting punished for it. mothrax should be contributing more and that is something scummy beyond just the overall nature of his posts (which, as I've said, came across as particularly attackable even though he was town the one game I was scum and playing with him.) The main action that I dislike from him though was the vote around the Mariyta wagon and then the presentation that he thought she was as scummy. Unless Mariyta is scum that's not that huge an issue for me though; it'd probably be another example of him doing things as he does them in a way that comes across as scummy rather than an alignment tell.

Not a good lynch but a VI who might be lurking and should be lynched only if he continues not-posting.

I'm not overly convinced that he'd have good motives for that sequence of thoughts as scum (as opposed to just a player using unimpressive reasoning regardless of alignment)

Probably VI.

I'm impressed with your ability to affix any potentially negative attributes about mothrax to a VI label while ambiguously supporting his lynch and not giving any actual alignment read on him.

[Zorblag]

@Vi, upon thinking about it, the big thing I didn't like about mothrax's play (outside of what I expect from the play itself) was the interaction with the Mariyta wagon. If Mariyta isn't scum then mothrax is a player making a bad move there, but one that doesn't have particularly good scum motive. If Mariyta is scum then I think that mothrax makes a great candidate for a partner. In any case he's a player who I think I should be able to approach using game state and connections later. If we're not lynching Mariyta today after her claim then I'm not interested in lynching a player who hasn't claimed yet who is scummiest in connection to her.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[nocase]

troll's posts don't look like they're coming from the perspective of a townie trying to find scum.

[Exe]

Will be gone til tomorrow. Packing and heading home for the holidays.

[Uite]

I would ask Uite and the scum to have mercy and put their votes on people who are actually going to be lynched so we can get this over with.

As you said, neither Gandalf or I are going to be lynched today, so let's talk about people that are viable lynch candidates.

Maybe I'm just not pushing Gandalf hard enough. He only needs five more votes to be lynched. There really is a decent case to be made against the guy, taking into account the various things he's said and done, but I'm way too tired to do that now. I'm not very pleased with myself for that.

As for our two main wagons, I'm really not feeling a mothrax lynch. I don't think he's all that scummy, and the lurking, while unproductive, also doesn't give us much to work on after we lynch him, whatever the flip. An Exe lynch could be more useful, as I'm getting a minorly scummy vibe, and he's posted plenty to go on, but I'd really much rather lynch Gandalf, so unless there's deadline issues, my vote stays.

[VP Baltar]

Deadline is in like four days and I'm pretty bored with this game at this point. We need a flip so some real analysis can start.

[inHimshallibe]

^> vote mothrax?

[VP Baltar]

I think I'm good with the Exe lynch actually.

[Vi]

Deadline is in like four days and I'm pretty bored with this game at this point. We need a flip so some real analysis can start.

It's okay, I was just stringing the Day along for mothrax and friends.

Unvote: mothrax

Vote: Exe

(L-2)

[gandalf5166]

I'm not sure what the fuck you're talking about, but you also know that I literally ALWAYS bus like fuck D1.

If I go back to any of your previous games I will not find any games where you did not bus on D1?

Not any of my completed games.

[VP Baltar]

It's okay, I was just stringing the Day along for mothrax and friends.

Yeah, don't get me wrong. I'm glad mothrax was forced to post his weaksauce analysis that had to be broken up over two posts 'cause it was so huge. Now he's even more obv.

What do you think is the over/under on one of us dying tonight? I think you bullying troll there is going to make him want to NK you. I'll carry on your life's work. Rest assured.

[Vi]

It's okay, I was just stringing the Day along for mothrax and friends.

Yeah, don't get me wrong. I'm glad mothrax was forced to post his weaksauce analysis that had to be broken up over two posts 'cause it was so huge. Now he's even more obv.

What do you think is the over/under on one of us dying tonight? I think you bullying troll there is going to make him want to NK you. I'll carry on your life's work. Rest assured.

Who

else

would they kill?

[inHimshallibe]

It's okay, I was just stringing the Day along for mothrax and friends.

Yeah, don't get me wrong. I'm glad mothrax was forced to post his weaksauce analysis that had to be broken up over two posts 'cause it was so huge. Now he's even more obv.

What do you think is the over/under on one of us dying tonight? I think you bullying troll there is going to make him want to NK you. I'll carry on your life's work. Rest assured.

Who

else

would they kill?

Don't shoot me!

[Mariyta]

Well, apparently no one wants to lynch xvart, despite so many people finding him scummy. I guess Exe will have to do. I did a re-read of him and while I'm not sure about his claim, he still seems scummy.

UNVOTE: xvart
VOTE: Exe L-1