Consulmaker II: the Pyrrhic War - Game over.

[xRECKONERx]

@Spyrex

??????

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Tribunal Vote Count

Primate - 4(Parama, SensFan, Feysal, SpyreX)
ribwich - 5(scotmany12, xRECKONERx, ribwich, Nathanael, Lowell)

Tribunal Deadline is Thursday 16 Dec 21:50 GMT.

Questions about specific roles will not be answered.

[Porochaz]

As I have exams this week (friday) Im vla until the day after. I do plan on making a post today however.

[SpyreX]

My computer was suffering from the doom and that was supposed to be quoted.

[xRECKONERx]

Let's get a move on. Clearly we all agree on the two main candidates for Tribune, no point in delaying this any further.

[inHimshallibe]

Tribune Vote: Primate

Will reread, though Jack must die.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Leon Belmont replaces horrordude0215.

[Leon Belmont]

I'm here. Still gotta read through the thread, though. I'm on page three right now.

[Feysal]

horrordude being replaced is most welcome. But, should Katsuki not be replaced as well? She did ask for replacement, and she has yet to post today.

Just so no one forgets,

CETERUM CENSEO JACK ESSE CAEDANDUM!

[xRECKONERx]

Shut. Up.

[Parama]

This is the boring game.

[Jack]

Fakeclaiming consul day 1 has two possible outcomes:

1) I get free reign as "confirmed town" day 1
2) I get counterclaimed and we kick of day 1 with

practically everyone

commenting on who they think is lying and who they think is scum. Scum KNOW that neither of us are scum. Town DOES NOT KNOW that. This is excellent. The fact that people generally didn't get it bodes well for the quality of the reads based on it.

Spoiler: comments

Post 59

We should not make Jack a tribune anymore.

Lacks commitment.
Post 63

It's hardly the only way to resolve the issue. We have you executed, then if you turn up town, we execute rib the next day.

Scum wheels turn, sees free execution

Post 64

So.... we already have a claim and counterclaim? We kill them, right? What's hard about this?

Same, but more on lowell later.

I think they are both probably town, and more that we try to figure out which one of the two is actually the consulmaker we help the scum. A gambit was run for cover, let's use it whilst we still have some ambiguity there.

Even aside from that, I don't see the benefit of us killing one of the two yet, it's going to become obvious which one of the two is consulmaker over the next few days, why even take the small chance that we hit the wrong one? The only

EBODP:

real downside is that we may have to override the consulmakers choice later if things get remain ambiguous .

I think that said a certain way "both are probably town" can be scum with inside info, but I don't get that feel here and primate is smart. The "let's not kill either" is pro-town and the fact that it was posted with part cut off adds to the likelihood of it being genuine.

Post 68
Nathanial is in the "let's kill one now camp"

Posts 71-73
Sens comes out against killing one of us, scot lashes back, sens has a plan on how to figure out who is telling the truth. More scummy from scot, and I think not being in the "kill today camp" this early is a town tell.

Post 74

Pretty good feeling one of our Consuls is scum, based on reactions to the counterclaim, and Primate may be as well. If one of Jack/ribwich are scum, Primate for first of all bringing up the possibility both could be town.

I don't see "If (something I know isn't true) is true, so and so is scummy and a good lynch" as ordinary scum thinking.

Post 75

if there is a townie in {Jack, ribwich} who fakeclaimed, UNCLAIM NOW!
you are doing us no favor at all keeping this up.

Don't see scum being drawn to any kind of urgency in this sort of request.

Post 117

I'll echo spry's 115. One of them needs to go. I don't care which, since neither is claiming a "power role" in any meaningful sense.

I feel a general lack of conviction on one of us being scum. Echoing spyrex, one of us "needs to go" rather than is scum, and he doesn't care which.

Post 154

Mert has a "they are both scum theory". I think this is far from scum's thinking at this point. Some of them are having trouble faking belief in just one of us.

Post 324

Sens is an idiot for putting in an execution so early. The fact that you wanted to end the day so quickly is scummy.

Don't think town would be outraged here and it doesn't jive with his earlier play. He later lapses back into a "pressuring" claim.

Post 375

scotmany: "Jack is scum" "Jack is scum" "Jack is scum" "Sens is scummy" "Ohh here's why I'm lurking" "PROD THE LURKERS (which is apparently most of the game)". Additionally, if there's some mystical reason and rib and Jack both are town I'd guarantee a scot scum under the kill em all.

Excellence.

Post 396

Jack is town
ribwich is town
...
I don't understand why people think one of the consuls is scum. Jack is obvtown for claiming in the first place and ribwich is obvtown for ccing. Town CAN lie y'know.
...
If one of the Consuls IS scum, it's probably Jack. Except that's what Rabies also said. Hmm. More reason to believe they're both town.

I would give parama a pass on this since we've played before, but he's replacing chesskid, who tacitly assumed we were both town but avoided the subject as much as he could. Combined they are a prime example of scum inside knowledge.

Post 526 + feysal's other entry posts
coming to bat for a scumbuddy in this setup is dangerous at that point in the game. Saving a townie is dangerous since you have no solid idea where the execution will end up. He also did a meta check on a game ribwhich mentioned and was clearly scrutinizing our play like a townie trying to figure it out.

Post 618

I see no reason as of now to not execute Jack today.

"No reason as of now", seriously?

Post 636

I'm still betting town, but Jack dies today.

???

back to null.

Post 637

vote ribwich

It's continually shocking to me that I'm not a consul.

Timestamp is: Mon Dec 13, 2010 5:55 am

And it's his only post today.

Lowell was in another game with me where I had claimed "doc or cop" in an open setup in my first post. I got nightkilled as vanilla townie around the time of n1 this game. He is trying to let a jack lynch slip through with no comment from him. He is posting on site regularly.

Post 641

Jack is town. Scum have no motivation for doing something retarded like that.

Post 673

Holy shit how'd I miss that?

Okay. Jack needs rope. Or guillotine. Or whatever.

Explain please.

Some of this I mentioned as I noticed it by this is from my read through. Xreck I know you don't read carefully so read the last bit for me special.

town:feysal, nathanial, Primate, sens
slightly town:mert,inhim

Scum:lowell, scotmany, parama

vote tribune:Primate

Pseudo vote: lowell
Pseudo vote: scotmany

Don't feel like rereading chesskids mess to make sure.

[xRECKONERx]

Uhh. You kept up the I AM CONSULMAKER CLAIM even after your so-called plan had its desired effect.

[SpyreX]

Yea, this is still for killing.

Lords almighty lets move with a purpose.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

horrordude being replaced is most welcome. But, should Katsuki not be replaced as well? She did ask for replacement, and she has yet to post today.

I am working on it.

P.S. Unless you interpret Jack as group 3 neuter, Jack is not in the accusative which it should be. You can either go with the straightforward Jackem or go with the slightly more elegant Jackum as a puer-type noun.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Anyway, I'm ending the Tribunal Phase now so you guys can get some more done before the inevitable christmas-new year slowdown.

So ribwich and Primate are your tribunes!

[SensFan]

Execute Jack.
If Scum, profit.
If Consulmaker, execute ribwich tomorrow.
If nonConsulmaker Town, damn him to hell and back.

[Nathanael]

psudovote: lowell

[dramonic]

Execute: Jack

I wanna kill Reeeeeeeeeeck ;_;

[Parama]

*snore*

[inHimshallibe]

[ribwich]

I intend on waiving my right to veto, but I want to get a few questions out there first. Dram or scot, these don't have to all get answered before the day ends, but could you at least make sure the deadline doesn't happen before Leon gets a chance to do his catch up post?

chamber: Why did you veto the execution attempt on parama? Would you have vetoed any execution that wasn't on katsuki?

Nathaniel: Was there ever a time when you were thinking you would allow katsuki to be executed? If not, why keep the charade up by constantly doing attempts on her?

SensFan: Did you think powerrox was going to flip scum? If not, why didn't you veto the execution?

Feysal: Knowing that Katsuki was obviously lying about not having enough time for this, (she signed up for other large games afterwards) do you still think this is all a big null tell for her?

Parama: Since he's not unlynchable anymore, can we get that case on Nathaniel?

Dram: Do you honestly think reck is scum? If you knew it would go unvetoed, would you execute him right now if you had the chance?

Reck: Do you honestly think dram is scum? If you knew it would go unvetoed, would you execute him right now if you had the chance?

[Jack]

Jack is town. Scum have no motivation for doing something retarded like that.

Trying to protect the real consulmaker? I dunno. It's so fucking blatantly scummy, though, I can't see WHY scum would do it to draw attention to themselves.

Because at that point, it's obvious who the real consulmaker is?

I don't know, I just CAN'T see scum motivation behind it. Plus, the "real consulmaker" didn't get NKed.

Shit, I guess it is WIFOM.
I just feel like Jack is stupidtown instead of stupidscum. *shrug*

Whatevs. I won't miss him if he gets executed, but I'm still convinced he's town.

...did I skim the part where Jack is still trying to stick his Consulmaker claim?

Post #644

I picked from ribwhich's list for wifom to confuse scum, but I got the lists mixed up which is my bad you should have made it clearer which we were supposed to pick from, still on the whole I'm disappointed that people don't appreciate how protown a claim it was, lotta upside low downside considering the consul choices thus far.

Holy shit how'd I miss that?

Okay. Jack needs rope. Or guillotine. Or whatever.

Uhh. You kept up the I AM CONSULMAKER CLAIM even after your so-called plan had its desired effect.

I "kept up my consulmaker claim" with obvious jokes...picked from the lists for wifom but got the lists mixed up?

We played in gears of war so I KNOW you know I'm not that dumb. I fakeclaimed a role there and got mafia lynched too.

You came in today knowing I was town and then realized that was a scum thing to know and are trying to back out of it. None of your stated reasons for thinking I was town could have changed by noting that I was "keeping up my consulmaker claim"...which I clearly wasn't. Your "holy shit, how'd I miss that?" post reads as "holy shit, I got myself in trouble saying he was town!".

[ribwich]

Your "holy shit, how'd I miss that?" post reads as "holy shit, I got myself in trouble saying he was town!".

The one thing Jack has said that I agree with. Although now that he's the one to bring it up, I'm not sure how strongly I agree with it anymore...

I wasn't planning on saying anything until tomorrow, but I did find it pretty hard to believe that reck not only missed that post, but also missed every post referencing and quoting it, including a post of mine that reck was replying to.

[inHimshallibe]

Solution: We execute him. If he's town, we give the comment some gravity. If he's scum, we ignore it completely.