Um, yes, it was perfectly clear that of either you and Gonzo, you had to be the vig. Which was why I was scratching my head at you guys' posts.don_johnson wrote:PO: just to be clear. i am the vig. i think you and gonzo are our vanillas. only chance scum has to still win this game is if volkan is town. which it doesn't look like. in other words, if you are town, start doing what we tell you to do and everything will work out fine.
Jailing doesn't prevent the mafia from using their factional kill though, right? I think Gonz mentioned something like that earlier. (And even if it did, the mafia could simply refrain from killing and frame the person jailed). So all you'd be doing by jailing me is preventing the mafia from killing me, which is fine and all, but not seeing what else it does, exactly.don_johnson wrote:vote: volkan
voting block is a go. volkan has posted elsewhere on site. his avoidance here increases the likelihood he is scum. neither PO or impolosion has stated they will hammer, so there should be no harm in bringing him to L-1.
imp and PO: do not hammer. we will place volkan at L-1 and give him 24 hours from then to post.
thad: in case of a town flip i think its better off if you don't jail anyone. scum flip and you jail PO. make sense?
Ah, nevermind - misinterpreted...Gonz was talking about a 2-scum-on-the-loose scenario. So as long as factional kill is stopped by jailing, JK away.Gonzoooo wrote:Right, now that I think about it, the jailing might be inconsequential tonight anyhow. As long as you shoot one of the scum, we're good. My plan would actually fail to stop the scum kill anyhow, so Thad doesn't need to jail if we mislynch today.dj wrote:gonzo: a clear shot for the vig is better. if volkan flips town, then two scum are left. vig needs to hit one. better vig has three choices than two imo. but thats up to thad.
*eats peanuts*
my comments on vig being wrong shooting saporo were meant to be a double-wifom... I hoped scum would think I was the vig pretending I wasn't... I felt REALLY stupid when someone who could be the real vig took the criticism rather personally and started to argue LoL
I agree with this completely. It was quite funny how the town fortunes swung from terrible to dominating because of the mafia JK.alduskkl wrote:Looking on it now, this setup is pretty swingy. For every power role one side loses, the other one actually gains one. Admittedly this is rather obvious, but it really came into play with the death of the Mafia Jailkeeper. I guess you could argue that it was partly the inability for the Mafia to use their gained Role Cop ability to counter that that doomed them.
GG everyone. LOL, "lew is the vig pretending he isn't" was my first impression of that conversation.lewarcher82 wrote:LoL yeah, but he did not
Unless Thad had played along, it would have been absolutely worthless. His first post looked like he was telling the truth about who he'd jailed (which was why I seriously didn't understand the point of what DJ was doing), and when he said "I don't see how all this who's the vig stuff is helping the village," it was about 100% obvious he hadn't lied.VP Baltar wrote:In hindsight, I should have played along with dj calling me the vig, but it probably would have been revealed we were lying due to ThAd's jailkeep anyhow.
I was still so horrifically swingy about you right down to the wire it wasn't even funny, but meta-ing you to death was what prevented me from simply agreeing with Gonzoooo's (and my gut's) take on you. So maybe now you can at least say you've beendon_johnson wrote:prove me wrong. i've never been lynched correctly on a meta case.
Yup...I was seriously surprised they ended up having their JK get lynched. And really impressive job holding out on the vig claim.don_johnson wrote:usually i support early vig claims, and even considered it in this one. but as the game went along i realized that would most likely sink us, so i did everything i could to avoid it. pretty happy with the outcome here. i wouldn't say the set up is "broken" per se, mafia could have tried harder to avoid the smash lynch. i think volkan could have swung things my way, but i think he was a little afraid of rocking the boat. tough game for scum, but it was nice how we pulled together at the end.
Yeah...an implosion flip as town, and me being jailed that night, AND a mafia kill going through would have singled out Gonz as the last scum. So thankfully I wouldn't have had to convince Thad of the fact. (And as Thad knew that Gonz couldn't be the vig, no-killing as mafia would only have delayed the inevitable).don_johnson wrote: gg gonzo, i was ready to hand the game to you if you were scum, but even if you were, i don't think you could have won. the plan was foolproof and i was happy to leave thad at the helm once he was confirmed.
PO: your utter confusion was what gave me a town read on you.