Mini 1091 Mafia Mania -- Game Over

[werewolf555]

welcome gentlemen

[werewolf555]

and beefster, your mafia game is over

[werewolf555]

Iso Beefster:
1) confirm, nothing wrong with this, perhaps too simple
2) boberz summed up your argument "Beefster surely if anything I was overattacking? How can I be overdefensive in attacking someone?
Fail accusation."
3) Don't really see where he is going here.
4) Assault based on his reaction to the votes on him. However the logic here is bad.
5) Claims that it is chainsaw what he didn't like. Boberz counters this point however.
6) Assumes that boberz thinks he is scummy. Possible over-reaction.
7) Claims that he hasn't really read pages 2 and 3 when he clearly has to make his point against boberz. LAL anyone?
8) I don't really get this.
9) Valid point. Could be start of possible band-wagon.
10) Tells boberz to be specific when he hasn't been.
11) 1. legit point. 2. Ok.. 3. I disagree, anti-town and scum are two somewhat related things.
12) meme use instead of analysis
13) 1. ok 2. He did call him scummy many times before 3. Telling us your scum-hunting strategy.
14) Asks what he is hiding, wants claim.
15) Doesn't want claim. Major contradiction right here.
16)ok
17) Ouch, this is bad. 1. He might get night killed, but if he is scum, it will turn out better. 2. Realized he made a scum-slip, trying to hide from it. 3. Wants more answers from brokenscraps. 4. Seems like a clear cut argument against him, but beefster waves it away. 5. You didn't think the full claim was unnecessary

before

. You said

possible

.
18) Please excuse Beefster while he tries to backpedal away.
19) Dekes had reasoning there.
20) major WIFOM. Scum-tell?
21) That could be seen as having not too much time. Active lurking is when you post a lot, that doesn't mean anything.

His contradictions and bad excuses make me feel that he is scum.
VOTE: Beefster

[boberz]

Can I ask you to sum up your main bif of case (contradictions particularly) with a couple of quotes and such like please.

I am not a massive fan of PBPAs without exlanation afterwards.

But I like your entry. Of course you are scum unfortuanately. (I am going to post tonight or tomorrow morning, my time)

[Dekes]

I said "What are you hiding?" not "CLAIM PLZ". It was a rhetorical question.

Bullshit.
What answer would you expect from him but an elaboration on his softclaim?

Also @Dekes, your reason behind voting me is kinda convoluted. Care to use logic?

It has to do with what happened to my town read on you. But I've explained that.
If you want more reasons, I took the time and looked through your Iso:
- I don't like how your reason your suspicions in wiki scumtells like "overdefensiveness" and "chainsaw defense" who are either outdated, no scumtells in the first place or don't even apply here. An easy way for scum to feign scumhunting attempts.
- I don't like how you stay vague with your attacks, but you request others to be specific on several occasions. Double standards anyone?
- I don't like how you expressed suspicion towards Substrike, yet you didn't vote him because you wanted to wait for a votecount. Fair enough. But instead of voting him after the next votecount, you pick on brokenscraps who had just made more or less a case on you. You add some more common wiki tells to your reasoning (buddying, fencesitting) and ignore Substrike. A quick way to attack your buddy and then deflect onto another target?

There you go.


@werewolf
Welcome!

And what boberz said.


Also, this town is suffering from a severe case of laziness (unfortunately I'm guilty of this as well). Deadline's the 29th and Christmas is before that.
So pick it up, guys, get your accusations and votes in. No more could be's and might be's here, solid attacking and reasoning is necessary now.

@mod:
Can you prod Mr. Wright, please. I saw him flaking out of another game so you might be hitting the replacement list very soon.

[werewolf555]

Everyone says that I am scum.
Why?
Generally people should not be judged by their predecessors actions.

[Dekes]

I meant, make a better case on Beefster than a full PBPA with more fluff than evidence.

But, wow, that is your answer?

Fos:werewolf

[werewolf555]

You want contradictions?

Just let me do my thing for one night and if I am alive you lynch me fast. No argument from me.

Cut the crap. What are you hiding?

He wants to see his role.
However,

]There's no need for him to claim at this point. He's softclaimed a power role and that's enough. I just want him to stop his "I hate having a power role" crap. If he hates it so bad, why doesn't he replace out instead of screwing with the game?

He tries to backpedal away from it, obvious contradiction right there.
Also, when you said

And what boberz said.

, I thought you meant this as well

Of course you are scum unfortuanately

[boberz]

Generally people should not be judged by their predecessors actions.

Bollocks. If your predecessor was scum so are you. Dont weasel out of it.

[AntB]

Welcome werewolf,

While true you can't be held for Hirakis actions, or even explain them, you can give an opinion on them, and maybe attempt to justify them. Say you were in a different slot to hiraki, what kind of read would you have on him?

PBPA != good, PBPA and an explanation of why your giving it and your conclusion is good.

[boberz]

Hiraki's beginning of day1 stuff is absolutely ludicrous. And I would turn to mariyta next for that original madness.
Calling this partnership even more when for no reason maryita turns on me.

Hiraki was also a clear newb incase anyone did not notice this I should point out.

Hiraki didnt believe his own theories. (If he did, I am not playing mafia with him again, but he didnt)
He was also goading theory discussion, but I have now moved this to more of a null tell.

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Beefster has still not adequately answered why he felt information was nervewracking?

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Moose is a selfish self centred self serving bugger, who I shall never play with again and imo should be replaced. Let's not lynch him today.

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AntB "perform a scumhunt". Scumpoints. Major ones.

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Maryita pops in now and again talks about some very old stuff then goes away again. Not happy at all.
And the misrep (as yet unanswered) of course.

[moose200x]

Moose is a selfish self centred self serving bugger, who I shall never play with again and imo should be replaced. Let's not lynch him today.

Just trying to make it through the day bro.

[boberz]

In conclusion. Town this game have been utter crap.

It is obvious from how the wagons sped up that moose is not scum. Too many people wanted him off for policy or near policy reasons. I still think a vig should hit him if only to teach him a lesson.

Hiraki is obv scum. He was one of only two valid wagons at one point and nobody joined the wagon. Obv scum. Whether or not you liked the case, it really is obvious.

Maryta is probably hiraki's partner. He is also a terribad player. Need to see a hiraki flip first.

Beefster could be third, if not AntB.

unvote vote hiraki's replacement

Guys you really need to run with this.

[boberz]

Just trying to make it through the day bro.

Well dont, replace out. now.

[Dekes]

Don't be a dick, boberz. Aggressiveness is good, being an outright ass isn't healthy for anyone, especially not for the fun of the game (remember: game, fun, etc.?).

However, I'm gonna roll with you on the werewolf wagon for now. I haven't looked through Hiraki's tedious Iso yet, but werewolf is already deserving of a vote:

- He comes in with a full PBPA on the popular wagon. Big posts always look good as a replacement, but this one doesn't contain anything new and even worse, a lot of useless stuff.
- Upon asking on a elaboration and showing us several links why he thinks Beefster is scummy, he provides the single contradiction that has already been brought up by two different people not two pages ago and that's it
- After his predecessor is being called scum by two persons (and one of 'em was a misunderstanding), he immediately resorts to that awfully scummy "Don't judge me by my predecessor"

Unvote; Vote: werewolf

Hey, werewolf, I didn't vote you based on your predecessor, how about that?

@moose
I've seen you play decent in one of the Newbie games recently. But a "making it through the day" just isn't gonna cut it. If you really are town here and you wanna help out, then start scumhunting, man. You've already expressed suspicion towards Substrike and AntB (iirc) but you haven't laid a single vote down. What's up with that? Take some stances, make people regret they voted for you and show the rest of the town who you think is scum. Because if you won't you'll be run up again every single day, because no one fears you and you are easy bait. This isn't helping anyone.

I'm doing this only because I truly believe you are nothing but frustrated town here. And this is a one time advice. Take it or leave it.

[moose200x]

Just trying to make it through the day bro.

Well dont, replace out. now.

You are going to die tonight.

[Dekes]

*insert facepalm pic of your choice in here*

Unvote; Vote: moose

[boberz]

Moose, replace out.

Dekes, dont let him annoy you, moose will die in this game at some point. Werewolf might not we need to get rid of werewolf today.

[Dekes]

Right after my paragraph. Can you fucking believe that?

Unvote; Vote: Werewolf

[Dekes]

EBWOP:
If he's a vig though rather than 3rd party or scum he will become a liability rather sooner than later.

[moose200x]

I won't confirm my vigness but I will confirm that my allegiance lies with the town.

[Lateralus22]

Moose, are you the SK or scum?

[moose200x]

Lat, I am town bro. Sorry.

[brokenscraps]

In conclusion. Town this game have been utter crap.

It is obvious from how the wagons sped up that moose is not scum. Too many people wanted him off for policy or near policy reasons. I still think a vig should hit him if only to teach him a lesson.

Hiraki is obv scum. He was one of only two valid wagons at one point and nobody joined the wagon. Obv scum. Whether or not you liked the case, it really is obvious.

Maryta is probably hiraki's partner. He is also a terribad player. Need to see a hiraki flip first.

Beefster could be third, if not AntB.

unvote vote hiraki's replacement

Guys you really need to run with this.

If you're thinking that Mariyta and Beefster are scum, couldn't that raise suspicions about moose, considering neither wanted to lynch him and both have ignored the whole wagon more than most people? Until moose's alignment is confirmed it all seems like fairly vague speculation. If moose is town it would raises suspicions on AntB, if he was scum it would raise suspicions on Beefster and Mariyta.

Also, just because nobody switched to a Hiraki doesn't condemn him, scum could also just have not wanted to switch from what they saw as a more viable wagon, or they may not have wanted to appear to be vote jumping.

You are going to die tonight.

Please explain.

Everyone says that I am scum.
Why?
Generally people should not be judged by their predecessors actions.

In post #247 I said that, considering Hiraki's play this game, his replacement acting scummy would be worth looking into.

This would be an example of you acting scummy. If you are town, then you should be showing this by contributing to the town, not trying to get a free ride for being a replacement.

FoS: werewolf

I wonder if you've inherited Hiraki's hate of FoS.

[moose200x]

You are going to die tonight.

Please explain.

I am going to kill him.