Consulmaker II: the Pyrrhic War - Game over.

[SensFan]

Are you actually saying you think there's a flip that would give even a fraction of the information a Jack flip would? Did you not read his long post that is a goldmine of information if we have the information he is Town? More importantly, we are going to have to lynch Jack at some point. Why in the name of Bahamut would we want to use a D3 or later lynch on someone we agree on D2 needs to be lynched?

You're in the most powerful Town position in the game. It's more than time that you start using your head and thinking. If you weren't prepared for a Jack lynch yet, you should at least have gotten one of our Consuls to do it; now we can't lynch Jack at all today.

[Parama]

Can we execute ribwich? Pleeeeease?

[dramonic]

. . .
Who the hell made you a tribune? =_=

Consolation Prize:

Execute: Reckoner

[dramonic]

Can we execute ribwich? Pleeeeease?

we cant, actually.

[scotmany12]

.....I want to apologize to everyone in this game for voting for ribwich as a tribune.

Ribwich...i hate you. Who do you think is more likely scum than Jack? I would like an answer in your next post.

[xRECKONERx]

. . .
Who the hell made you a tribune? =_=

Consolation Prize:

Execute: Reckoner

OH HEY LOOK
dram finally put his money where his mouth is.

[dramonic]

HEY LOOK
Jack CANNOT be execute anymore.

[Nathanael]

Can we execute ribwich? Pleeeeease?

omg.
don't you see ribwich is CONFIRMED TOWN?
you are definitely totally, awfully wrong in this game. on everything.
and since I know your townplay is better than this, you are scum.

can we please execute Parama?

I'm probably going to get some flak for this, and I'm surprised myself that I'm actually doing this...

VETO JACK EXECUTION

I'm not saying I for sure think he's town. There's a chance that this has all been a big scum gambit, but I can now really see the pro-town reasons for what he did. There's better execution choices for today.

finally someone who uses his head here.

[xRECKONERx]

HEY LOOK
Jack CANNOT be execute anymore.

inb4theveto

Seriously, Dom, you're fucking delusional if you think I'm mafia

[dramonic]

fucking delusional but somehow correct in my assumption

[Primate]

Jacks explanation was lacking. I don't see the advantage of taking this to last night as opposed to to coming out when the plan to restrict voting targets was revealed, a plan that forced the real consul to potentially compromise on his consul choices. The jokes thing he's suggesting was the kind of thing that I wanted from him, but the fact that I didn't notice it as that either means I suck or they were misjudged.

Solution: We execute him. If he's town, we give the comment some gravity. If he's scum, we ignore it completely.

FOS

Para's case case against nath is a little weak, tbh, maybe I'm not following it right. Ribwiches move is a very interesting one and an understandable one, I don't really mind it, though I wouldn't have done it myself.

[SpyreX]

I'm seriously not amused.

If there are better choices than jack WHO ARE THEY?

Kat still? Or how about this gem:

omg.
don't you see ribwich is CONFIRMED TOWN?
you are definitely totally, awfully wrong in this game. on everything.
and since I know your townplay is better than this, you are scum.

Parama is town too btw.

[Porochaz]

HEY LOOK
Jack CANNOT be execute anymore.

inb4theveto

Seriously, Dom, you're fucking delusional if you think I'm mafia

So you think he's town now? That seems different from your opinion from the rest of the game.

[Parama]

It's because Reck is scum.

[xRECKONERx]

No, see, there's this sort of meta-meta with me and dram. If one of us is scum, we NEVER try to mislynch the other one. Which makes me think he's either breaking that meta right now in this game for some odd reason, or he honestly 100% believes I'm scum. Which would make him town.

[Feysal]

Wow. That was the second time I have been taken by surprise this game. On the first day, though I defended Katsuki, I did not expect her to survive the day. She needed to be replaced, and I did not think anyone would want her slot, and since there was no obviously better case I thought she would die.

Having ribwich of all people veto Jack's execution is even more unexpected. I will be interested in Jack's response, and in ribwich's case. For the record, I could almost believe Jack's explanation in #686, but I think it was too late. If he had posted that at the end of yesterday or first thing today, it might have worked for me. I once made a controversial move too, to provoke reactions and get some discussion going. I faked a post restriction (real bad one too, I wrote in iambic verse), but I explained my ruse halfway through the first day. In Jack's case here, it should have been clear to him that he would be tested, and I can't see why he would wait so long before posting his explanation.

Looks like I'll have to ISO read both dramonic and reckoner next. On my first read, I had a slight town feel from dramonic and mostly neutral on reckoner.

Feysal: Knowing that Katsuki was obviously lying about not having enough time for this, (she signed up for other large games afterwards) do you still think this is all a big null tell for her?

To give a simple answer, yes.

I had to do some research to arrive at that answer. Katsuki says in her signature that she has finals over two weeks. It has said so for a while so I'm uncertain which time period is meant, but looking at her posts it seems she has posted three times as much after she replaced out of this game than during the equal period of time before. This would be consistent with her having finals, and now having more time when they are over. Also, apart from this game I know Katsuki died recently in two other large theme games, where she was part of a hydra. Given that, I don't find it that suspicious that she would seek new games.

Oh, and

CETERUM CENSEO JACKUM ESSE...

well, you get the idea, and the joke is getting old. He is not dying today anyway.

(I checked my grammar. I had not considered proper nouns having different forms, and I suppose I should treat Jack as part of the second declension of nouns, like Iacobus, with the accusative singular ending -um.)

[scotmany12]

No, see, there's this sort of meta-meta with me and dram. If one of us is scum, we NEVER try to mislynch the other one. Which makes me think he's either breaking that meta right now in this game for some odd reason, or he honestly 100% believes I'm scum. Which would make him town.

Self-metas suck. It wouldn't really surprise me if both reck and dram are scum.

I hate nathaneal's last post. Parama's post about executing ribwich was clearly a joke (a frustrated joke). And really, his whole case against parama does scream omgus to me.

[Porochaz]

Faking a post restriction is not remotely a big deal. See Zorblag.

[Feysal]

This was on another site, where post restrictions often meant town power roles, so it was not meaningless. That stunt got me some suspicion that lasted to the end of the game, but never enough to get me lynched. Here, it could be different, I have not yet encountered a post restriction on mafiascum.net.

[Porochaz]

It also has no bearing on alignment either.

However the main point of my double post is that I agree with scot about nathaneal and a lot of his latest posts seem like OMGUS. (He called it) But I cant seem to remember a post of his Ive liked. The thing with dismissing posts as OMGUS, is that it has to be OMGUS if there is a reason, or in this case, a lack of one. Which you haven't, you weakly defended yourself against Parama's attack and 732 is one of those horrible "your scum cause I said so, no content" posts and as definitely totally awful these posts are, yours scrapes the bottom of the barrel particularly for that definitely totally awful emphasis.

Also ribwich buddying isnt going to get you many places.

[Porochaz]

This was on another site, where post restrictions often meant town power roles, so it was not meaningless. That stunt got me some suspicion that lasted to the end of the game, but never enough to get me lynched. Here, it could be different, I have not yet encountered a post restriction on mafiascum.net.

That sounds fairly bad purely from a "oh well, he's a power role, lets lynch him! Point of view". We have a few Post Restriction mafia's which are quite fun to read, however whilst some mods use a small amount in games, actual PR's are few and far between.

[xRECKONERx]

So nobody's gonna veto this, huh?

Okay, then do me a favor: don't make dramonic a consul tomorrow, and execute him. You can all thank me for not believing me post-game.

[Jack]

Are you actually saying you think there's a flip that would give even a fraction of the information a Jack flip would? Did you not read his long post that is a goldmine of information if we have the information he is Town? More importantly, we are going to have to lynch Jack at some point. Why in the name of Bahamut would we want to use a D3 or later lynch on someone we agree on D2 needs to be lynched?

Even with a jack-townflip you have to use your judgement about what reactions were scummy. And you can use your judgement now and lynch those people.

Jacks explanation was lacking. I don't see the advantage of taking this to last night as opposed to to coming out when the plan to restrict voting targets was revealed, a plan that forced the real consul to potentially compromise on his consul choices. The jokes thing he's suggesting was the kind of thing that I wanted from him, but the fact that I didn't notice it as that either means I suck or they were misjudged.

Having ribwich of all people veto Jack's execution is even more unexpected. I will be interested in Jack's response, and in ribwich's case. For the record, I could almost believe Jack's explanation in #686, but I think it was too late. If he had posted that at the end of yesterday or first thing today, it might have worked for me. I once made a controversial move too, to provoke reactions and get some discussion going. I faked a post restriction (real bad one too, I wrote in iambic verse), but I explained my ruse halfway through the first day. In Jack's case here, it should have been clear to him that he would be tested, and I can't see why he would wait so long before posting his explanation.

It's better to drag it out. And primate there were good people on rib's list. What did you mean by "this is glorious" earlier?

Faking post restrictions is ok but doesn't start all that much in my experience.

I'm seriously not amused.

If there are better choices than jack WHO ARE THEY?

How many scum do you think are in this game and how many do you plan on catching?

scotmany, xreck, and lowell are scum. Agree/disagree.

[SpyreX]

How many scum do you think are in this game and how many do you plan on catching?

scotmany, xreck, and lowell are scum. Agree/disagree.

Ohh sure.

21 players with a single death PROBABLY a unified team of 5-6. IF we see more than one death 2 teams of 3.

All three of them? Too easy. However, considering you're probably scum I'd say pretty confidently one in there. Maaybe two.

[Parama]

yes yes no thanks in advance