Mini 1091 Mafia Mania -- Game Over

[moose200x]

O/T

What role is a terriost? Cuz that sounds fun!

[Substrike22]

Moose for the record I started spelling your name correctly on the last page, before you went all Mel Gibson on Boberz and I. Check the top post if you don't believe me. Secondly everyone needs to look at Mariytas post on the previous page, it is scummy. Full post when I get to a computer and off my phone.

[moose200x]

Guys, what if we agree on who to lynch and instead NL. I will then shoot that target proving I am town vig. Maf could kill me but hey, after tonight i am basicly a VT so that keeps other PR's safe! And if they kill me then oh well, you can all cheer that the idiot is gone.

[boberz]

no.

[moose200x]

no.

Love the fucking insight. Way to detail your thoughts.

[werewolf555]

no.

Love the fucking insight. Way to detail your thoughts.

[moose200x]

no.

Love the fucking insight. Way to detail your thoughts.

Thank you Thank you.

[Substrike22]

I find two other interesting things on p. 11/12 of this forum:
AntB's post 277. What were you looking for, honestly? Why does him posting one honest thing suddenly make up for everything he's done?

Anyone else find Mari calling Moose "vig-bait" on the previous page interesting, since Moose had essentially already soft-claimed vig?

Whoever said the thing about deadline and Christmas is right. We need to move towards a lynch. I am not comfortable letting Moose shoot Boberz, the mod has made it clear that we're not getting a replacement or a mod kill, so my vote's staying where it is, and I implore others to join.

Also, for the record: Werewolf/Hiraki isn't striking me as scum. Her post on p. 11 detailing the case on Beefster was a pretty straight forward and valid attempt at scum hunting. I don't understand why there are 4 people on her wagon with no one looking at Mari, AntB, or Dekes, all of whom are scummier. In addition, the case (he/she? Werewolf?) makes on Beefster actually makes me ok with a Beefster vote, if we're headed that way towards deadline.

[brokenscraps]

I am not comfortable letting Moose shoot Boberz, the mod has made it clear that we're not getting a replacement or a mod kill, so my vote's staying where it is, and I implore others to join.

Okay, here are some tables representing what happens in various situations if we lynch/mislynch, moving to the right represents a mislynch, moving down represents lynching scum. The big number is the total number of players, the smaller number is the number of scum (I'm assuming three mafia). Town means a town victory, scum means a scum victory. I'm assuming here that the mafia lynch one town player every night.

1: No vig kill
12/3.10/3.8/3.scum
10/2.8/2..6/2.scum
8/1..6/1..4/1.scum
town.town.town

2: Vig mis-kill first night
12/3.9/3..7/3.scum
9/2..7/2..5/2.scum
7/1..5/1..3/1.scum
town.town.town

3: Vig scum-kill first night
12/3.9/2..7/2..5/2.scum
9/1..7/1..5/1..3/1.scum
town.town.town.town

Now this ignores power roles, so in reality a vig mis-kill could much more greatly harm our present chances of winning, but if moose is a one-shot vig (I'm assuming he is) the town practically gets one free kill without cutting back the numbers of chances we get to lynch scum. So I think we should definitely keep moose around for one night.

Tell me if I made any mistakes with the numbers.

[moose200x]

Broken- but wouldn't me shooting one person mean I am a 1shot vig?

[brokenscraps]

Yes? But why are you asking me that? You've basically stated you're a 1 shot vig, and I treated you as such in my post. What exactly are you asking?

[moose200x]

So I think we should definitely keep moose around for one night.

[brokenscraps]

So I think we should definitely keep moose around for one night.

Well you might be rubbishing about your role, but if you are a one-shot vig your kill is valuable enough that even if you're just slaying or at random or are lying I think it would be worth taking taking that risk. We'll find out soon enough (day 2) if you're telling the truth or not, and can deal with you if you're lying then. And, even if players want to lynch you, it would be better to do so tomorrow than today.

[Lateralus22]

Yeah... working on that post, quick notes though. Feel a bit better about moose, for now I don't care much because if he is scum we'll get him easily. If not obviously we can confirm his vigness.

He's the abridged version of a plan I thought up. We should

all

vote for the vig selection tonight. Atleast a

9/12

majority. This is essentially a second townie lynch a the HUGE majority will greatly place more power in townie hands. Debating with myself whether it should be Beefster or a lurker, leaning on the latter. Here's the thing, since the kill doesn't affect the mislynch ratio an information kill is better.

Thoughts? I'm leaning on Mr Wright's replacement slot unless they come in an be uber pro-town.

Please say

For

or

Against

if you agree, moose, are you willing to agree? I'm sure the 9/12 ratio should clear about most complaints about any power scum'll have PLUS any arguments here's are going to be more straightforward and honest.

Fixed tag. ~~NS

[moose200x]

Totally for this! Now we playing some hardball.

[AntB]

It doesn't, he's gotta work for it.

@Lateralus
Sure why not... seeing as were going to need moose alive i'll UNVOTE: moose200x... My opinon on who later...

Fixed quote tag. ~~NS

[boberz]

We cannot confirm moose's vigness.

He could be third party.
He could be scum and kill that person (me).
Scum could kill that person/nokill to do that.
He could be just a townie chatting crap forcing us to nolynch.

We should take advantage of our numbers towards the end of the game when we can take advantage of that with more information.

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Do not leave moose alive for this reason, we are lynching today. I think werewolf, but if not it should be moose.

Wake up and use your heads. If nolynching day 1 was the thing to do with even numbers then the whole site would be doing it, they are not.

If we do this I replace out.

[AntB]

The point is we lynch and tell moose who to shoot, he fails, he dies. possible D2 quicklynch.

After a skim read I'm now between Beefster and Werewolf. Whichever way the wagon goes.

Werewolf for coming in, failing to answer my post, giving a useless PBPA and general "oh looky at the wagon, *jump/vote*"-iness
Beefster seems to skim posts more than read them, also too lazy to pull out quotes, also a good gut feeling...

[AntB]

Either way, we lynch a secondary suspect, get moose to NK the primary suspect, if that fails, kill moose, if both flip town, kill moose some more... that's how I see it...
I know, fail-logic but hey, we end up killing 2 town and moose isn't scum I'll be very surprised...

[boberz]

AS long as we are lynching werewolf today I will go with it, but moose has to realise that whatever faction he is he has failed it now.

[moose200x]

Am I the only one who feels boberz is anti-town?

[Beefster]

It doesn't, he's gotta work for it.

@Lateralus
Sure why not... seeing as were going to need moose alive i'll UNVOTE: moose200x... My opinon on who later...

So you believe his claim, but the only reason you're unvoting is to keep him around? Strange.

[Beefster]

Beefster seems to skim posts more than read them, also too lazy to pull out quotes, also a good gut feeling...

Skimming is usually a nulltell.

[AntB]

@beefster
Usually... when its not excessive. Also, I'm not keeping Moose around for long, I'm going with substrikes plan of using moose to double lynch, pending results, lynch him now or later...

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 1.10

Beefster - 4 - brokenscraps, Ant_to_the_max, Mariyta, werewolf555
werewolf555 - 2 - boberz, Dekes
Ant_to_the_max - 1 - Mr Wright
brokenscraps - 1 - Beefster
moose200x - 1 - Substrike22
Substrike22 - 1 - Lateralus22

Not Voting: moose200x, AntB

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline: December 28

V/LA: ...