On to the meat and potatoes:
Yabba's Death
: This move made little sense. Scum naturally make the kill choice that best benefits them. How did they benefit from Yabba? He was and experienced player, sure...but generally, when a townie is lynched, the next day phase has the folks on the lynch squad as the prime suspects. Killing off Yabba narrowed that list down, and seemed like a tactically noobish move from the scum. That said, I believe it can help us:
The most prospective scum
: currently, 3 scum and 6 townies. That is what we are down to. Stefunny was solid in the logic to look at the lynchers. Let's narrow our field of suspects.
Shotty
Yabba
CN
Striker
Bvolgt
Chkflip
That makes 6. Yabba is dead, the scum actually helped us narrow down that one, and naturally I'm taking my name off the list (although I encourage you to make your own list and narrow from the following as you see fit. I will naturally say I am town, but that doesn't disprove I could be scum. Be a free thinker). CN has raised my eyebrows more than a few times this game, but overall he seems to be an intelligent player, and a worthy addition to the game. For the time being, simply for his usefulness in contributions and sparking conversations, I am going to tentatively annul him from the list. This leaves:
(CN*)
Striker
Bvolgt
Chkflip
I am betting ONE of these, at least, are scum. Now we can analyze deeper and see if we can find the one with the highest current likelihood of scumminess.
Striker
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-A Newer player
-After wolf starts getting votes he jumps in, votes, and says he is either stupid scum, or it's a gambit (what kind of gambit would work from that, btw?). Completely ignores the chance that he is town that chose an unfortunate set of words.
-Read posts 64 and 65. Silver realizes this whole deal is kind of a stretch, and says so. Striker
FOS
silver....for saying it's a bit of a stretch? WTF?
striker wrote:I agree with Cookie about andrew. if werewolf flips scum we pressure andrew and imo silverbullet tomorrow.
This is jumping the gun, first of all. Second...scum would know wolf was town, so this would be a moot point. This actually earns a small Townie Point, since this would be utterly pointless to say if Striker was scum (knowing wolf would flip town).
-After the hammer drops, Striker calls out shotty as scummy-scum. Obvious target is obvious.
striker wrote:I didn't vote Shotty cause I wanted to hear from him first. no need to rush another quick lynch.
striker wrote:
There was only 1 vote on shotty at the time and there's 6 to lynch. You seriously didn't vote him because you feared a quicklynch?
That speaks for itself.
Striker wrote:Both Cookie and Shotty have good questions to answer from Chaotic Neutral. As Shotty is the person who I think is most suspisious right now, I'm tempted to vote him, but that'd leave him at L-1 and I dont think thats a good idea...
Funny, since CN asked YOU a question to. And you chose not to answer.
-In post 173, he finds Bvoigt and CN town. He finds Chk "Scary" yet doesn't give a real alignment indicator behind it.
Chkflip
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-Check post 72 to affirm he's really not that down with the wolf lynch.
-Post 76 and 77 are interesting: yabba calls him out for not going along with the wagon ("You're making the game regress, chkflip."] and then he stresses what has essentially already been said. chk thinks this is genius and then votes for wolf. Also, this interests me:
CHK wrote:You're so clever, Yyabbadude.
chkflip wrote:andrew94 wrote:1) it looked like a crumb to me, but he may or may not be crumbing
2) i dont know whether werewolf intended to put that crumb there
3) there are NO COPS, so why would scum make a cop crumb???????
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hes reactions look confused so i guess hes not scum.
- I had an opinion considerably similar to yours, but don't now that it's been reiterated. What's with the jumpy accusation? It's not like I'm lying here.
Because yabba's super argument was so convincing, you decided to forgo caution and logic? Sorry, but it really wasn't that convincing. Also this is interesting:
Andrew wrote:
have you heard of the term sucking up to the ic person who seems pro(YES YABBA i read some of ur newbie games)
here lies oppourtunism ---> first doing the 'oh shit i dont understand' attitude then 'o yea i understand votes*' attitude so it doesnt look like blatant bandwagoning
This was said in regard to chk's response to Yabba. This is what makes the "your so clever" look interesting. Glad you caught this Andrew.
-After posting nothing of importance/not at all, he votes shotty for...being inactive? (post 167)
-Asks Striker who his top scum reads are in post 171.
Bvolgt
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bvolgt wrote:Even though he wants more people to post, he tries to stop discussion here:
Cookie_of_Death wrote:Why are you so insistent on this answer? It doesn't seem like it would provide any reliable indications of silver's alignment.
Asking questions does not "stop discussion". That was a funky vote.
-BV brought up the werwolf breadcrumb not voting on it initially, just throwing it out there. And then:
bv wrote:QFT. I thought it was a coincidence at first, but I think a townie would have read his first two posts and seen the accidental breadcrumb, instead of denying that anything happened.
Hm. So you don't vote until you gauge reactions and people already start voting; even though you apply logic to WHY werewolf did it and WHY it was scummy to you. It seems you were trying to see the reaction before voting.
Bv wrote:Out of all the votes, this one feels especially like "Hey, I'll just go along with the popular way of thinking and hope for a quicklynch." My feeling about Shotty's hammer is that he wouldn't have been that blatant.
A vote for Striker here, this is the first time these three start to look at each other. Also, he agrees shotty scum isn't likely, he can't be THAT stupid.
-Chases Striker more in post 132
-Post 159 shows he's finding shotty's actions neutral, and he's digging to find meta on shotty's play (kind of town-esque). He then says CN seems town.
Bvoigt, why does CN come off as town to you?
-Votes himself for some dumb reason.
bv wrote:Well, none of the scum were gullible enough to try to paint this as a scumtell.
What? How is voting yourself a scumtell, and what the hell were you trying to do with that? Makes no sense.
WHAT ALL THIS CRAP MEANS
Striker seems to me to be...playing like a new player. He has done some scummish things, yes. But I see him making the same judgement lapses any new player would. That doesn't mean I view him as town by any means, it just means out of the three main suspects, I'm more willnig to give him the benefit of a doubt.
Bvoight's inital business with wolf is suspect. I dislike how it seemed he threw the cop crumb out there and didn't vote until others did. Also, his vote on himself to catch scum makes...little sense. HOWEVER, he has noticed that shotty's hammer is dumb...but not seemingly a scum play. (This next part you guys can disavow, since it's super-duper subjective) Since I know I am town - hence shotty was town - I could see scum trying to pursue shotty d2. He did not. This is his saving grace in my eyes and puts him in the middleground for scumminess from these three.
Chk is my primary suspect here. He flat out said he doesn't see wolf's alleged breadcrumb as scummy, but when pressured by the experienced dude throwing around some silly logic, he instantly changes. Also, him being scum would actually make some sense out of Yabba's death. He admitted Yabba was clever, and andrew pointed out the appealing to ICs (Normally seen in Newbie games, IC townies normally dont last long against newb scum, who fear their logic and normally NK them relatively quick). This is the only scenario I can see in which Yabba's death BENEFITTED scum (remember, scum try to make the action that will most benefit them), since chk admitted yabba's cleverness, and he did seem quick to switch his point when pressured by yabba. Also, his vote on Shotty was...shoddy (heheh). Voting someone because they are inactive is stupid logic.
So my final list looks like this (In order of most scummiest to least)
1. CHK
2. Bvoigt
3. Striker
That said,
VOTE: CHK
[i][color=red]"He looks like the type of guy who can marathon write no matter his alignment without looking scummy at all." -Xtoxm[/color][/i]
