Mini 1090: Of Rogues and Curses ~ Game Over

[gandalf5166]

What I meant was that as a VT, my PM states that I may request flavor for any power role if I so wish. Epic fail at reading comprehension. There's a reason for prepositional phrases, you know.

[tanstalas]

What I meant was that as a VT,

my PM states that I may request flavor for any power role if I so wish

. Epic fail at reading comprehension. There's a reason for prepositional phrases, you know.

Read your PM again and tell me that it says "you can request flavor for any Power Role you wish", or if you misunderstood what your PM said. And then tell me who has the epic fail at reading comprehension.

[gandalf5166]

I haven't looked at my PM since I got it. I'm simply working from memory here. I have no idea what the EXACT wording is.

[gandalf5166]

Okay, what it actually says is that at request, he will provide me with a flavor line for a power role of my choosing. Remind me how the hell it matters? And how it means I'm bad at reading comprehension?

[tanstalas]

Okay, what it actually says is that at request, he will provide me with a flavor line for a power role of my choosing. Remind me how the hell it matters? And how it means I'm bad at reading comprehension?

@Mariyta - Does your PM say you can request a flavor line for a POWER role? (keyword is "FOR" a power role) Or does it just say "for a role"

[tanstalas]

@mod

- I hope the above isn't going against the quoting mod PM's as it was already mentioned before by Gandalf

Not the whole PM, just a part of it

[Zorblag]

First off, nocase is almost confirmed town at this point. He's going to potentially look suspicious in a bit if we don't keep flavor in context but once the action with the flavor goes down I'll be willing to vouch for his clan without question. I'm not the least bit interested in going into details yet but I'm not vanilla and I used an ability that would lead to exactly this sort of behavior (other than voting me) and it only would have worked on a member of the Ungrika clan. If it weren't for the flavor I think we'll be getting in a bit I probably wouldn't do this pre-emptively but this reveal had to be made today so you get it now.

Beyond that, as I'm claiming not vanilla I can now come out and say that while I don't know if the VT PMs say explicitly that one can request a fake claim from the mod, gandalf5166's play still strikes me as town. I'm not convinced that it would have been a move he'd make as scum to make the last minute Exe post; it draws attention to him where it's not needed and doesn't really help him if he's scum due to the obvious WIFOM. gandlaf5166 does some unnecessary things but I don't particularly think that he's trying to be tricky here.

Vi, if scum, probably would kill VP Baltar during the night (as I wasn't an immediate threat I don't think) but I'm not really troubled by the reactions to Exe. If Vi had wanted to save Exe I think there would have been more that could have been done; as it was I hated the drop of the vote right at claim but this doesn't feel quite like the scum play that I got from Vi in Tofu Mafia.

inHimshallibe is a better candidate for scum and I'm not sure how to react to the claim offer. If there's information he has to share that he thinks will be of use to the town then clearly I want him to share it (and this is exactly why I'm talking about my role and nocase.) If he's just interested in preventing his lynch (which seems to be the case) then he shouldn't be claiming yet and I don't like the way that he's offering it. I need to take into account that not everyone agrees with my claim theories but it's bothersome. To a large extent I expect town PRs to want to stay under the radar until they've got useful information but I expect scum with a claim they think will quasi-clear them to want to get it out there sooner rather than later.

Uite is still probably sincere town who I continue to think is focused on the minutia rather than the game. I don't see the benefit for scum for spending the time making the attacks he did day one to end up in the state that we're in now.

I need to take another look at Maryita and xvart in particular. Going into the day they're the players that I had an eye (Maryita) or half an eye (xvart) on based on day one. I'm not thrilled with the xvart opening on Vi which feels more agressive than his day one play. Maryita still hasn't done anything to shake the not contributing to the town feeling for me but perhaps a look at the interactions with Exe will be informative.

If mothrax is scum then he's still probably a partner with Maryita. I'll add gandalf5166 as a connection that I'm trying to work out as well. He's still not worth focus on his own though.

tanstalas's push on gandlaf5166 doesn't feel like something that would come from scum on town. It's too obviously PR hunting which scum get accused of but which I don't think is actually a viable tactic if done explicitly. Unless I'm wrong and gandlaf5166 is scum or tanstalas is more brash than I expect that should be a pretty good town tell.

My suspects are at this time, in rough order, inHimshallibe, xvart, Maryita and mothrax.

VOTE: inHimshallibe

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[gandalf5166]

OH MY FUCKING GOD TANS. ARE YOU SERIOUSLY TRYING TO FORCE ME TO QUOTE MY PM. NO IT DOES NOT SAY POWER ROLE, BUT "POWER" IS STRONGLY IMPLIED BY THE PREVIOUS LINE, WHICH SAYS THAT POWER ROLES WOULD HAVE A FLAVOR LINE.

[tanstalas]

OH MY FUCKING GOD TANS. ARE YOU SERIOUSLY TRYING TO FORCE ME TO QUOTE MY PM. NO IT DOES NOT SAY POWER ROLE, BUT "POWER" IS STRONGLY IMPLIED BY THE PREVIOUS LINE, WHICH SAYS THAT POWER ROLES WOULD HAVE A FLAVOR LINE.

Fate? Is that you?

I didn't say anything about quoting your PM.

You are the one that said:

By the way, my role PM also says

specifically

that I may request flavor for any

power role

I wish.

I wanted to know if it said

specifically

that you could request flavor for a

POWER

role or just flavor for "a role".

Okay, what it actually says is that at request, he will provide me with a flavor line for a power role of my choosing. Remind me how the hell it matters? And how it means I'm bad at reading comprehension?

@Mariyta - Does your PM say you can request a flavor line for a POWER role? (keyword is "FOR" a power role) Or does it just say "for a role"

You COULD have just replied "for a role" and said that you had made a mistake. I do enjoy this over-the-top reaction of yours though.

So all in all, we learn you made a mistake on an earlier post, and when questioned on it you argued with me, and after I pushed a little more you finally realize you screwed up. So I assume the reason you are posting all in caps and swearing is because you realize now that you have the reading comprehension issues?

I was trying to determine if you could change a PR's flavor, so if you know they flipped scum you could PM the mod with an alternate flavor so the flip would be seen as town or something (I guess like a janitor?) Which would have made sense with your "Exe is town" statement (because you know you could change the flavor so you know he would "appear" town) or something..

Anyhow, previous points still stand. Also I still love Uite's case on you for the hypocrisy in voting for Mariyta at the start of the game.

So, Gandalf, what is your case on me anyhow? The fact that I am trying to make a case on you? Do you have any other arguments or is your plan to just post in all caps and swear at me for the game?

[gandalf5166]

I DONT HAVE ANY FUCKING READING COMPREHENSION ISSUES. YOU JUST KEEP ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE EXACT FUCKING WORDING OF MY PM, WHICH I DIDNT BOTHER WITH BECAUSE ITS ENTIRELY FUCKING IRRELEVANT. NOW YOURE JUST TRYING TO GET ME MODKILLED.

Anyways, how the fuck would whether it said power role or role have had anything to do with your latest crock of bullshit?

[tanstalas]

I DONT HAVE ANY FUCKING READING COMPREHENSION ISSUES. YOU JUST KEEP ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE EXACT FUCKING WORDING OF MY PM, WHICH I DIDNT BOTHER WITH BECAUSE ITS ENTIRELY FUCKING IRRELEVANT. NOW YOURE JUST TRYING TO GET ME MODKILLED.

Anyways, how the fuck would whether it said power role or role have had anything to do with your latest crock of bullshit?

I was trying to determine if you could change a PR's flavor, so if you know they flipped scum you could PM the mod with an alternate flavor so the flip would be seen as town or something (I guess like a janitor?) Which would have made sense with your "Exe is town" statement (because you know you could change the flavor so you know he would "appear" town) or something..

By the way, my role PM also says specifically that I may request flavor for any power role I wish.

I took that to possibly mean you had a PR where you could request flavor for ANY PR you wanted (IE: Someone else's PR). Long stretch but meh... which I thought I explained in my previous post. So if for example you knew Exe was scum you could PM Ythill saying "Change Exe's flavor to say she was a belly dancer of the Ungrika clan". Long shot, I know.. when I'm town I'm a bit paranoid...

Classy post by the way, perhaps you can try to drop five F-bombs in your next one.

Nowhere did I ask you to quote ANY part of your PM, I just asked for you to clarify what you already said your PM contained. Though, I guess that's just your reading comprehension problem?

Oh, and:

So, Gandalf, what is your case on me anyhow? The fact that I am trying to make a case on you? Do you have any other arguments or is your plan to just post in all caps and swear at me for the game?

Hmm, actually, never mind. You answered that with your last post. Option #2 it is!

[gandalf5166]

Your "cases" condemn themselves. They're not worth my time. That said, I don't think you understand the difference between requesting flavor and changing it.

[nocase]

all right, guys, i'm ready to go out on a limb.

[tanstalas]

all right, guys, i'm ready to go out on a limb.

And...?

[nocase]

and . . .

[nocase]

. . . i'm an impatient man.

[tanstalas]

I'm not sure what the fuck you're talking about, but you also know that I literally ALWAYS bus like fuck D1.

If I go back to any of your previous games I will not find any games where you did not bus on D1?

Not any of my completed games.

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=14811

Where did you bus there D1?

[gandalf5166]

My partner was almost totally inactive, I didn't feel like bussing in that situation would have been advantageous since he was pretty much entirely under the radar.

[tanstalas]

My partner was almost totally inactive, I didn't feel like bussing in that situation would have been advantageous since he was pretty much entirely under the radar.

And this one?

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=14905

I suppose this one won't count either because it was a marathon game

I must say you have an uncanny knack at getting town roles. And when I do find a game where you were scum it it not what I would consider a "completed" game as you either replaced in as scum or replaced out of the game.

I'll keep looking though, unless you want to retract your "literally ALWAYS" statement that you bus D1

[gandalf5166]

Of course marathons don't count. And not really. The only reason I didn't bus that particular game is that there wasn't even hardly anything for me to bus.

[tanstalas]

Whatever. I still think you are scum. However - I do not think you are the best informational lynch for the day.

Unvote:

I need to re-read

[gandalf5166]

I laugh every time scum tries to justify not lynching their "suspects" by claiming that they "won't give any info". If someone is scum, they're scum. Why would you lynch town to find scum when you can just lynch scum and actually find scum yourselves later?

[tanstalas]

I laugh every time scum tries to justify not lynching their "suspects" by claiming that they "won't give any info". If someone is scum, they're scum.

Why would you lynch town

to find scum when you can just lynch scum and actually find scum yourselves later?

Why bother pushing you when you just deflect anything I say to you?

Besides, I could probably get your wagon to 3 (Uite and Mothrax) but I think the other people are cutting their teeth to lynch inHim, Troll or Vi

I like how you still haven't explained your vote on me though, aside from it being completely OMGUS

"Tans is trying to make a case on me - so I'll vote him" is how I read it

Anyhow I find your words interesting.

When did I say anything about lynching town?

I said informational lynches. You do not think a scum lynch would be informational? I think Exe lynch was informational and he flipped scum.

Do you think this game only had 2 scum members in it total?

[gandalf5166]

Okay, but you are nearly certain that I'm scum, yes? So why would you wait and lynch me later, after lynching someone who you kinda think is scum, instead of lynching me, the "for sure" scum? Also, distinction: OMGUS is Player A votes Player B, Player B votes player A because player A voted for player B. What's happening here is that player A votes player B for horrible reasons, player B calls out player A for his bullshit. I could have waited for player C to come along and call you out, and then it wouldn't be construed as OMGUS, but then, who knows if player C would have cared, and why should player C be defending me?

[nocase]

you're both town, ergo shut up.