Fringe Mafia (Game Over, role PMs posted)

[Empking]

An idea: How about we No Lynch then Smarge kills bv, so we get rid of bv scum but we don't risk losing by lynching me or Smarge.

This won't work. For one, we can't be completely sure that smar is insane and if she isn't, we're screwed if we do this. This plan also only works if smar is telling the truth because if smar is lying and is scum then they just kill someone else and leave bv alive and what do you know, we just lost someone without learning anything. Other things can go wrong as well such as a scum roleblocker.

I am excedingly confident that unless we have a SK (exceedingly unlikely) that Smarge is insane. In that case then if (presuming no roleblocker) bv was alive the next day then you'd know myself and Smarge would be scum. Unfortunately, you've got a point about roleblockers.

[bv310]

We've had one night KILL, which was me JOAT-Vigging LC on N1. Other than that, we've had the two scum-disappearances, which come from you/Smarg/your buddy. Please, feel free to try though, since this should be quite entertaining.

[bv310]

EBWOP: Misread, thought you said we had an SK.

But I went back and reread Smarg's claim.

On that note, Smarg trying to claim insane doc is blatantly false, since Zang was taken to the other side, then returned as mod-confirmed Town. Unless you're trying to say your N1 "protect" straight killed your target, then your N2 sent them to the Other Side and back. More Smarg votes please.

[smargaret]

bv - Or, I targeted Zang but my ability, as stated in the role PM, only works against kills. If scum is responsible for the kidnapping, then scum could kidnap and I could protect the same person and the only thing that would show up would be the kidnap.

[TonyMontana]

Doombunny. Why did you initiate a search for zang?

[Doombunny9]

Doombunny. Why did you initiate a search for zang?

Please see post 846. I figured why the hell shouldn't I, it couldn't hurt after all.

@bv- Please claim your other abilities.

Also, now that I think about it here's what I'm thinking is the case if smar is telling the truth: smar doesn't actually protect anyone but doesn't kill them either and bv is a scum JOAT and one of his powers is an extra kill that he used N1. This would explain why LC died (As bv killed him but smar failed to protect) and Zang didn't die (If smar had been insane, Zang would be dead now as Zang stated his power only works if he went missing)

[smargaret]

DB - he can't, because he hasn't completely made up his fakeclaim yet - or he would have fullclaimed in the massclaim HE STARTED when he supposedly had a guilty investigation.

He still hasn't answered why you'd propose a massclaim as a cop with a guilty result.

[ChannelDelibird]

Hi guys, I just got back from V/LA. I've been travelling for two straight days and I'm completely shattered (off to bed as soon as I've posted this message everywhere), but I'll be catching up tomorrow.

[bv310]

bv - Or, I targeted Zang but my ability, as stated in the role PM, only works against kills. If scum is responsible for the kidnapping, then scum could kidnap and I could protect the same person and the only thing that would show up would be the kidnap.

If so, then you would have stopped the kill on LC when I targetted him N1.

Why would you even target LC N1 anyway?

[smargaret]

First, I don't believe that you did target LC N1 - as I said when I claimed, I suspect I may be insane with a chance of killing my target. I suspect this BECAUSE LC did not survive.

I targeted LC N1 because I had a town read on him.

DB asked you to claim the rest of your role, are you planning on doing that any time soon?

[Doombunny9]

DB asked you to claim the rest of your role, are you planning on doing that any time soon?

He's been ignoring requests people made him throughout the game so I'm not sure why you're getting your hopes up this time XD

In all seriousness, bv needs to cut the crap and claim. We may be able to come up with something depending on what poweres you have.

[bv310]

I have a Doc left. I just wanted to act vague to try and make the scum second-guess NKing me after we lynch one of them.

[Doombunny9]

Well that makes things a lot more harder on us

I would like to hear from everyone currently not voting anyone about who they think are scum; smar, bv, and Emp in particular.

[Zang]

Not happy with BV using his kill before his cop ability. ATM It's my feel the scum is probably smarg though. When doing a gambit like this, a player isn't going to pick a role like peter bishop unless they know they aren't going to be counterclaimed. And the role helps, but honestly he could have claimed a bunch of stuff with the same effect, so why claim peter in those circumstances? If I'm missing something about the flavour please correct me.

Who do you think is scum? Why aren't you voting?

An idea: How about we No Lynch then Smarge kills bv, so we get rid of bv scum but we don't risk losing by lynching me or Smarge.

I don't see how this is different then lynching BV.

On that note, Smarg trying to claim insane doc is blatantly false, since Zang was taken to the other side, then returned as mod-confirmed Town. Unless you're trying to say your N1 "protect" straight killed your target, then your N2 sent them to the Other Side and back. More Smarg votes please.

Except she didn't send me to the other side, someone else probably did. Depending on the mods order of actions,  Bv's protect/kill didn't work on me because I was already in the other side and could not be targeted.

Please see post 846. I figured why the hell shouldn't I, it couldn't hurt after all.

HOMJ did try the same thing on day 2.

I have a Doc left. I just wanted to act vague to try and make the scum second-guess NKing me after we lynch one of them.

So you didn't claim your whole role in a massclaim so that you widnt get killed? It's lylo, we'll be lucky if we make it tonight and there are a lot more roles powerful than a one shot doc. 

And I'm confirmed town, I'm probably scums first choice to kill.

[bv310]

Except she didn't send me to the other side, someone else probably did. Depending on the mods order of actions,  Bv's protect/kill didn't work on me because I was already in the other side and could not be targeted.

I never targetted you. I killed LC N1, then Copped Emp N2

[Doombunny9]

HOMJ did try the same thing on day 2.

That's where I got the idea from Just because HOMJ couldn't find people doesn't mean I can't.

And I'm confirmed town, I'm probably scums first choice to kill.

But if Emp is lynched and flips scum then bv will be more or less clear (unless scum is retarded and is bussing like hell when they have a chance to win). And personally, I'd rather kill someone that has a lot of powers that someone who can't go missing. I agree that he should have made a full claim seeing as how we're massclaiming but at least it wasn't comepletely logicless.

Still want to hear from the non-voters (And CD's been posting in other games since he came back from his V/LA...We should really have heard something from him by now)

[Empking]

An idea: How about we No Lynch then Smarge kills bv, so we get rid of bv scum but we don't risk losing by lynching me or Smarge.

I don't see how this is different then lynching BV.

If BV is town and gets lynched then scum wins (if everyone has been honest.) If we no lynched then scum would've made one killl putting us into pretty much the same situation we're in now. DB's right that the truthful scenario could be messed up by a scum roleblocker though.

[Doombunny9]

If BV is town and gets lynched then scum wins (if everyone has been honest.) If we no lynched then scum would've made one killl putting us into pretty much the same situation we're in now. DB's right that the truthful scenario could be messed up by a scum roleblocker though.

Think about it this way:

If we mislynch bv there will be 7 people going into night with a town person dying due to scumkills so we have 3 town 3 scum and we lose.

If we no lynch today we have 3 scum, 5 town with bv dying due to smar and a townie dying due to scum NK, assuming bv is legit, its still 3 town, 3 scum and we lose.

The only reason we would no lynch at this point would be to get more info from TM but that would only work if bv was telling the truth and we didn't have a scum roleblocker.

[Empking]

If BV is town and gets lynched then scum wins (if everyone has been honest.) If we no lynched then scum would've made one killl putting us into pretty much the same situation we're in now. DB's right that the truthful scenario could be messed up by a scum roleblocker though.

Think about it this way:

If we mislynch bv there will be 7 people going into night with a town person dying due to scumkills so we have 3 town 3 scum and we lose.

If we no lynch today we have 3 scum, 5 town with bv dying due to smar and a townie dying due to scum NK, assuming bv is legit, its still 3 town, 3 scum and we lose.

IK think somebody is scum with bv and dfoesn't think his scenarios through. If bv dies because of Smar then bv can't legit because one of them must be scum.

[Doombunny9]

Doh...You're right. It would still be screwed up with a scum roleblocker and we don't even know that smar kill who she targets (I find it more likely that if she's telling the truth, she either doesn't protect at all or has a specific condition she has to fulfil that she doesn't know about. if she killed whoever she targeted, Zang would be dead right now).

[smargaret]

I'm happy with where my vote is and don't see much that bv can do to change my mind. I'm going to be V/LA for the next three days.

I would like to hear more from TM, Primate, and CDB before ending the day, though.

[Doombunny9]

Will be V/LA today and tomorrow for obvious reasons

[smargaret]

Sorry, I forgot to bold my v/la in the last post. I will be back on the 28th.

[Zang]

V/LA until December 27

[esuriospiritus]

Merry Fringemas!

Vote count and prods later/tomorrow, depending on how much drinking is involved today. <_<