Mini 1090: Of Rogues and Curses ~ Game Over

[tanstalas]

I don't think Mariyta and Exe are aligned together.

QFT. Of course, yesterday I could have been convinced that they were both town, but they're definitely not on the

same

scumteam.

Was just rereading, and no offense to nocase, but I found the above odd. Can you explain your wording here for me Gandalf? Specifically the last two words.

Same scumteam?

Do you have additional information of the game setup? How do you know there is more than one scumteam?

[gandalf5166]

*facepalm*
My point was that they weren't on the same scumteam, hence, Mariyta was town. The flavor makes it pretty clear that there's only one scumteam.

[tanstalas]

That's what I thought you meant, it was just weird the way you phrased it, instead of like "not scum together" or something.

However I'm still scratching my head over Exe's "role" what is a unique? Or is that just the definition Ythill gave because Exe may have been given the powers that he claimed (neighborizer/tracker) and since that is not a real "defined" role he called it unique.. though not sure why it wasn't just defined as neighborizer/tracker. Probably the first part is the right thing, can anyone advise if they have ever seen Ythill use unique to define a role? I just want to make sure that Exe wasn't a "3rd party" scum that could have been recruited into the scumteam.

@Gandalf

- In your opinion since you think Mariyta is confirmed town now, would you say that Exe was bussing Mothrax on D1 or trying to mislynch? Specifically his ISO-8 where he accused Mothrax of a blatant chainsaw defense of Mariyta by making a case on you?

[gandalf5166]

Confirmed town would be stretching it. Off my radar, more like. I like your feigned ignorance over Exe's flip though. Of course Ythill said unique because Exe's role was unique. No, I haven't seen him use it like that before. It's just common sense. And pretending that you're clueless about Exe's role isn't going to make us think that you're town.

[tanstalas]

OK, way to ignore/deflect the question. Let's just rearrange it a bit then:

Since we now know that Exe is confirmed scum, would you say that Exe was bussing Mothrax on D1 or trying to mislynch? Specifically his ISO-8 where he accused Mothrax of a blatant chainsaw defense of Mariyta by making a case on you?

[Ythill]

Do not quote (or pretend to quote) moderator PMs in any format, though you may paraphrase them.

Do not discuss the exact wording

or time stamps

of PMs.

Some of you are flirting with the rules. Back from the brink, please.

I've already told you nicely. Asking about the exact wording of PMs is not allowed, answering such a question, truthfully or otherwise, is not allowed. If you feel that there is some need to resort to such things, or are just too stupid to read plain English, then your name probably doesn't belong on this player list.

I am not going to say this again. I've got a replacement on deck and the next player who breaks this rule will be the one who lets him into the game.

• Vote Count
  
  3 ~ inHimshallibe (Vi, Mariyta, Zorblag)
  2 ~ Zorblag (nocase, inHimshallibe)
  1 ~ tanstalas (gandalf5166)
  1 ~ Vi (xvart)
  
  Not voting: mothrax, Zorblag, Utie, tanstalas

• Notes
  
  
• With ten alive, it takes six to lynch.
  
• Deadline is Saturday, January 8th, 22:00 PST (GMT-8).
  
• Overall prods: Zorblag (1).

[gandalf5166]

OK, way to ignore/deflect the question. Let's just rearrange it a bit then:

Since we now know that Exe is confirmed scum, would you say that Exe was bussing Mothrax on D1 or trying to mislynch? Specifically his ISO-8 where he accused Mothrax of a blatant chainsaw defense of Mariyta by making a case on you?

I actually just forgot about the question. That's what happens when you combine ADD with a strange propensity to read posts out of order. The way that he bothered to make it look like he had a case, but didn't go into any detail(crappy accusations with buzzwords like chainsaw defense are great too), makes it look like bussing more than pushing a mislynch, yes.

[tanstalas]

Only reason I ask, nocase, is because I'm aware you'd probably like to use it against me, and I have a couple of things to do before you take any silly, irreversible actions.

When you say you have things to do, do you mean 'today'?

I'm probably so focused on gandalf I missed something, why is Vi and Mariyta voting for inHim? As late as Vi's ISO-68 he said inHim was pro-town and Mariyta was banging the Xvart is scum drum and all of a sudden today they just flip over to inHim?

Is it because of the unvote of Exe when he was at L-1? He left Exe at L-1 for 2 days, someone could have hammered in those two days easy.

Is it because of the eagerness to claim? Serious questions, most (if not all) are more experienced than I am and I am trying to figure out what you guys see.

Oh and..

I don't really like the Exe wagon much. I'm not sure why, but if he flips scum, I'll eat my hat. I don't have a hat, but I'll go out and buy one so that I can eat it.

I want pics as proof

[Vi]

First off, nocase is almost confirmed town at this point. He's going to potentially look suspicious in a bit if we don't keep flavor in context but once the action with the flavor goes down I'll be willing to vouch for his clan without question. I'm not the least bit interested in going into details yet but I'm not vanilla and I used an ability that would lead to exactly this sort of behavior (other than voting me) and it only would have worked on a member of the Ungrika clan. If it weren't for the flavor I think we'll be getting in a bit I probably wouldn't do this pre-emptively but this reveal had to be made today so you get it now.

This makes things more interesting than advertised. If you're pondering what I'm pondering, that answers a few of my own questions, guarantees nocase is a Vig (and not an SK of some kind), and opens the door for you to be Town.

nocase 624 is, continuing a trend, awesome.

tans on inHim - I mentioned it Yesterday, nothing's changed, etc. As a bonus, he hasn't been around to put his money where his mouth is. That claim is going to be what saves him.

[inHimshallibe]

Choose one of the following, and I'll make it happen:
VP Baltar makes a post related to the game.
VP Baltar controls my vote the rest of the day.

[inHimshallibe]

And, yes, I realize most of my latter play in D1 was fairly useless. I was avoiding death, because my role is freaking awesome.

[Vi]

That's... confirmable. May I ask for a role title? (We can save the role effect for after VPB sees everything.)

I'll go ahead and claim afterward. I'm a little concerned with where this is going though.

[Uite]

@Vi:

You have quite a few posts that are exclusively you dealing with me. Seriously, it's 14 out of 88 posts, and it's even worse early on. If you count every post mentioning me, that figure doubles. What's up with that?

@Tanstalas:

Thanks for essentially restating a large part of my case on Gandalf, but you really went overboard trying to fish for the specific content of his role PM. I'm fairly convinced he's faking it though.

As an addition to the case though, how does this:

I think I know what Vi's getting at.

not imply that he's a powerrole in any way, contradicting his VT claim?

I actually just forgot about the question. That's what happens when you combine ADD with a strange propensity to read posts out of order. The way that he bothered to make it look like he had a case, but didn't go into any detail(crappy accusations with buzzwords like chainsaw defense are great too), makes it look like bussing more than pushing a mislynch, yes.

Ugh. You know which buzzword I hate most? Buzzword. It's always used as a very cheap way to try to discredit legitimate cases that happen to have some basis in established mafia theory.

VOTE: gandalf5166

Choose one of the following, and I'll make it happen:
VP Baltar makes a post related to the game.
VP Baltar controls my vote the rest of the day.

That's awesome, if true. I'd probably lean towards the latter. It seems to me like he could provide a lot more commentary through votes, especially regarding changing reads, if applicable. Would he be able to do multiple votes and/or unvotes per post, as a way of communicating?

[tanstalas]

Choose one of the following, and I'll make it happen:
VP Baltar makes a post related to the game.
VP Baltar controls my vote the rest of the day.

Does VPB actually make the post, or do you "channel" him through you, hence you make the post?

[Vi]

@Vi:

You have quite a few posts that are exclusively you dealing with me. Seriously, it's 14 out of 88 posts, and it's even worse early on. If you count every post mentioning me, that figure doubles. What's up with that?

I

wubs

you!
In all seriousness, you were my first scum suspect, and you decided to engage me later D1. What you're describing is not anomalous at all.

I have no idea what gandalf is talking about when he says he knows what I'm talking about. We might as well stop and see what he thinks is going on.

I'm actually more inclined toward the former option. It's harder to fake, and will probably serve us better than him controlling a vote (as we can control inHim's vote with enough pressure ).

[Vi]

EBWOP: By "stop" I mean "hold off on my claim".

[inHimshallibe]

Letting him post is more easily confirmed than the votes, as I think those would only be updated whenever the mod updated vote counts.

I am the

Crone

.

[Vi]

Hi mothrax!

[tanstalas]

Hi mothrax!

Was he creeping the thread again and not posting?

[gandalf5166]

When I said that I thought I knew what Vi was getting at, I thought she was implying that she was a power role with a guilty and she wanted to claim it, hence MC. Now that I think about it, that seems stupider and stupider for a multitude of reasons. That's what you get for playing mafia while you're staying up late to count numbers on the internet.

[mothrax]

Hi Vi! (I do that a lot, I always check my games when I am on my smoke break at work.)

I'm not sure I am sold on the massclaim idea just yet.

[mothrax]

Also, I think VPB posting would be more of a help than him controlling inhim's vote the rest of the day.

[nocase]

IS THAT ALL YOU HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE?

[Vi]

Presumably you check on your games more than you post in them

I am the

Fortune Teller

(Fortune for a quarter? I love quarters!). Shortly before each Day I receive awesome mod info about who's going to die. During D1 I knew well in advance that VP Baltar was going to die that Night, and didn't bother suspecting him. It shouldn't surprise anyone to hear that I'm slated to die Tonight, given that I was making no secret of being a power role. I also learned before the Day began that someone will die at nocase's hands (so to speak). There's one last bit that I'll keep to myself for now.

Obviously whoever is slated to get night-killed is Town (scum: please subvert this and attempt to kill yourselves at Night). In addition, because kills are chosen far ahead of time, they have a vested interest in not attacking their kill target. Thus, I'm actually suspicious of people who DIDN'T attack VP Baltar Yesterday. Unfortunately, nobody really attacked VPB except Uite

Another big catch is that having to choose kills in advance weakens the scumteam a little, and Exe's role wasn't all that great (so far I don't think anyone has claimed male at all ) Given game balance, I expect we'll be lynching claimed power roles before this is over.

Talking of claimed power roles, I know there's at least one other person running around with a role. Let's see if he steps forward.

[mothrax]

So wait, if we know that someone is going to die by nocases hands and so far we have only seen one death we can assume no big. Why is nocase still alive?

vote: nocase