Lucid Dreamers - Game Halted

[Fate]

UK if I pulled out my Haylen meta where she REFUSED to provide any content, and when I started calling her out on that fact she said "based on tehse few pages, I'd say Fate is scum" and eventually voted me.

Would you vote her?

[UncertainKitten]

I'd have to read it myself. The trouble is I have the same experience with her as town. Different player, but the same tactics.

[Lilu Hel]

Unfortunately you've missed the mark in every way possible

Sorry.

If everyone came up with the same points, mafia would be an extremely boring game and it would never move from a stalemate position.

UK if I pulled out my Haylen meta where she REFUSED to provide any content

I didn't refuse. I told you to fuck off. Massive difference. You can't say that i wouldn't have provided content when I felt more up to it. And just cause I'm on MS, it doesn't mean im gonna be posting at the click of your fingers.

In this post Haylenscum ISOs me and twists all of my posts in order to justify a vote on me RATHER than looking at the game as a whole and having ACTUAL suspects.

Hypocrit. That's what you did with us.

Will do the rest later.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Sadly, UK is right, and Fate has very concise and logical points showing why.

Actually, above all else that Fate has done, I like that post the most. More of that please Fate. Very Logical and laid out clearly.

[Katsuki]

@UK: I'm curious, are you and LLD related?

I think fate has stated that at least you, UK, can be competent as town (either hit or miss). This is not true with LLD.
Also, this "dull knife" at least pulled one over you in Castlevania. XP

@SC: I think you asked a queston somewhere as to how I arrived at only scum having NKs. If no one can submit any kill actions, and scum possess a faction kill, then the only conclusion there is that only scum possess a single kill.
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Will comment on anything else that needs commenting later. Too many posts too fast.

[Lilu Hel]

Fate

Post One: In his first post, Fate makes a big point in mentioning he wanted Kit to look at his craft. Why would it need looking at though, the only reason it could need looking at is if it breaks any of 'the rules' indicating that Fate's craft could either be very protown or very proscum. Why would Fate mention this though? Because by mentioning it early, it makes it look like he isn't hiding anything. If he let slip later, he'd be in deep shit.

Post Two: Orders a quicklynch on Kat because she claimed scum. I can;'t see that anywhere in the post he quoted and I consider quicklynching to be very anti town.

I think he's idea about myko's no lynch thing is anti-town aswell. I don't care if there's no intent, we aint no lynching on day one. Especially since I infer from the mods OP that there's only two scum we should be looking for.

Post Three just looks like fluff to me and random conclusion drawing. I believe that's called a 'non-sequitor'.

His posts are giving me a headache cause they make no sense.

Voting people without reason is scummy cause it gives you time to think up a reason, like he did with us and Kat.

I also find it scummy that the first thing he mentions about why we should lynch us is that im difficult for people to lynch. I can see no town intent there.

Post 22 also makes no since, since i provided content AFTER I wrote the first bit of my post -_-

And I didn't FoS for him voting me. I FoS'd him cause he has fail arguments.

Unvote, Vote Fate

1. So how is me having an unothordox, potentially game-breaking action that needs to be cleared by the mod, a SCUMTELL? You yourself said it was either pro-town or pro-scum, nice fencesit??

Sorry, wrong. It's not fencesitting if you're looking at it from every possible angle.

2. Well then you clearly aren't looking at the quote. And if quicklynching is anti-town, how was I quicklynching? Did I hammer him and end the day early? Did I claim a guilty on him and force his lynch? You're reaching like HELL scum.

Because you didn't gain enough support. You're intentions were to form a quicklynch. Lynching is murder, argued at a legal point, the intent to murder is more important than the actual action.

3. Which posts of mine make no sense? Why aren't you, idk, asking for CLARIFICATION on any of these posts? Answer: because you have no interest in finding out my alignment and ONLY in trying to paint me as scum.

Most of them. Your posting style gives me a headache. Specifically the ones I didn't comment on

4. I voted Katsuki with a reason CLEARLY. You're suggesting I voted, called him obvscum and for his lynch, and THEN went back and "came up" with a reason retroactively? STREEEEEEEETCH. [/b]Sorry again. There was no reason I could find in your post. Just a cart of rediculous bullcrap.[/b]

5. I worded it poorly. I'm not lynching you because "you're hard to lynch" just for shits and giggles. You YOURSELF have said you're difficult to lynch as scum, and you were my strongest scumread at the time, so I TOOK IT UPON MYSELF to get your ass lynched before you I died N1 and then you coast on your terrible meta.

Oops. I havent been lynched yet. FYI, I wouldn't kill you night 1, you're meta is poorer than mine. Although, I could decide I want to be a vig...

6. Post 22 makes PLENTY of sense, because you were trying to play the "Im TIRED I DONT WANNA PLAY" card, but then you DID play by FoSing me.

Oh! I'm sorry for putting my paragraphs in the wrong order, Mr Assignment Police.

AND

7. Your FoS on me was incredibly weak and unsupported. Voting you and NOT other lurkers is hardly a "fail argument" since I was voting you for fluff posting.

No it wasnt. It was better than your case on us. Btw, remember this is a hydra, Fenhl has posted a few times today aswell.

I believe everything I have said up to this point is true.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

More slander.

"LLD cannot be competent as town".

Give me a break.

Either find me some facts explaining why I'm scum, or give it up and vote the obv scum here (that would be Hayldra).

Oh shit, did Haylen just throw down a red truth?

Of course it has little power because it starts with "I BELIEVE".

[UncertainKitten]

@Kat: How do you mean that?

To be fair I died N1 in that game. You can't expect my reads to be accurate when I'm not actively playing .

Still weak Haylen.

Anyway, LLD is competent as an SK, at the least .

[Lilu Hel]

Rephrased then:

Everything I have said up to this point is how I truly see it.

UK is meant to be good at looking for peoples intent and motivations, I suggest she tries to find mine.

[Katsuki]

I will plow through the haylen stuff at my leisure aka later.

Request to hydra: Please tag your posts.

P-Edit: Well both the competing wagons at lynch were town. I suppose I can't ask for too much considering your early and untimely death, but still.
Next time don't make statements like

"I am infinately more useful than you ever will be, zwet"

if you want to live.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, no, I didn't say that. I said "I am infinitely more useful than you will ever be, zwet". I actually know how to spell.

Anyway, I was going to die anyway, since I was a bodyguard and protected the only other logical kill.

Not a whole bunch I could do really ^-^.

Anyway:

@Kat: How do you mean that?

You failed to answer this. "That" refers to me and LL being related.

[malthusis]

Thread explosion :X

Most of it looks like static, but I'll try to get a post about it all in a bit.

[malthusis]

Okay:

Basically a few pages go on like this:

No, you just reminded me that I should say that

PEdit: Fate: OMGUS
Katuki: NO U

as well as a lot of minor quibbles (no need for insults, please). I feel that Katsuki was slightly more scummy then everyone in the argument, although could just be the fact that I tunneled so hard on him with cases last game that I played when he was an SK, which could be interfering with my hunch. I'll probably look into his posts later.

(and as a total side-note, chesskid is nowhere in the realm of shotty as a bad player, but it's not related to this game)

Once the thread dies down a bit, I'll do some quick ISO's and rereads on some hunches.

[Kitoari]

CRAFT ERRATA'D. IT IS STRONGLY ADVISED THAT YOU READ IT AGAIN.

[Katsuki]

@UK: A hunch.

@Malthusis: My point is that, I do not carry grudges from game to game.
(as a totally irrelevant point, that was the first game I had seen chess play properly)

[UncertainKitten]

You still haven't answered my question.

How do you mean related?

[Katsuki]

Oh. IRL.

[UncertainKitten]

Not at all. But she'd make a good sister~

[Katsuki]

I'm missing a bulb or two at the moment, just saw your "Virginia" location.

Also my activity level will probably be lower over the next few days than most may be accustomed to due to family.

[Leiskyrie]

I come back and there are already 7 pages...seriously...

Oh, hey. LLD's in the game.

Unvote; Vote: LLD

I will now get back to reading the thread.

[Leiskyrie]

Kat and LLD- both of you quit squabbling. I have my opinions too, but keep them out of the thread please.

Lilu Hel: Calm down.
And if I understand correctly, looking at things from different angles without reaching any conclusion is fence-sitting. The rest of your defense equally doesn't really make sense/defend anything/is somewhat irrelevant. Respond when you've cooled down please.

LLD: Wh do you say Kat is any more expendable than you are?

Gandalf: ...care to explain anything? (And how is it possible that he doesn't have a vote?)

[mykonian]

@myk: I won't deny that you have a point, but why do you seem in such a rush to throw away a day? The game of mafia is a scum-hunting game. We need information for the town to find the mafia, and anything short of kills is not reliable information. Even vigs need information from the day to place their kills. Voting NL right off the bat will get us nowhere.

Edit: Ninja'd by LD :X

Because MS probably needs 10 pages of discussions before they accept a Day 1 no-lynch. It's a nice conversation starter which should get us out of the RVS.




Conclusion, SC is scum, together with UK. Now, if two players redirected their actions to Gandalf, and someone would make Gandalf a PGO, this would all be a lot easier.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Wait wait wait.

Let's look at the sequence of events here.

1) Lei votes me giving only the reason "I'm in this game". Another policy lynch.
2)Lei tells me to stop bickering with Katsuki.
3) Lei asks me why I am less expendable than Katsuki.

In summary, you start a fight, ask for it to stop, and then continue the fight all in a matter of 2 posts.

Tell me, do you have split personality, or are you just a shit disturber?

[UncertainKitten]

@myko: And I presume you're not going to explain anything either, are you myko?

I love how no one in this game has any fucking idea how to play mafia.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Conclusion, SC is scum, together with UK. Now, if two players redirected their actions to Gandalf, and someone would make Gandalf a PGO, this would all be a lot easier.

Really now? A conclusion based upon what evidence? What supporting theory?

Honestly, this is a perfect time to use the cliché of "Jumping to conclusions".

P-Edit: Cut by UK.