Lucid Dreamers - Game Halted

[UncertainKitten]

Brakes, myko. Brakes. I see that error too fucking often to let it pass.

[mykonian]

Brakes, myko. Brakes. I see that error too fucking often to let it pass.

English is my third language. You are going to see more mistakes. Though I have absolutely no idea why I made that mistake... I must be tired.

Ok, more to the point, we have 10 pages of solid discussion. NL please. It's optimal, it's fun, and the best counterargument is that you usually don't do that. Well, here you do.

[UncertainKitten]

I dunno, there are still a few questions I want answered before we no lynch.

Anyway, I apologize for that, I didn't realize English was a third language for you. Basically I do transcription review work, reviewing transcriptions done by people with English as their FIRST language, though sometimes you really gotta wonder. It's of insurance interviews, including auto insurance, so breaks/brakes is seen annoyingly often.

[gandalf5166]

I'm sorry, but I have to request replacement in all my games. Mafia is becoming an addiction rather than a hobby, and it's sucking away hours of my life each day. I know this is selfish considering the huge number of games I'm in(I just counted, it's 10), but that's just it. I'll still do MishMash, and GD, and maybe even the occasional Marathon day or Reck/dram-mod, but I really have to get out. I keep telling myself that I'm going to quit, and I tell myself I'll quit after my current games finish, but then I see another game that I just HAVE to join, and it's self-perpetuating. This is the only way I can see to stop. Sorry. I'm just glad I had the cajones to actually request replacement instead of just flaking.

[mykonian]

I'm up for a policy lynch, as it is plain boring to play with a power that someone else made for you. Or we just NL

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm up for a policy lynch, as it is plain boring to play with a power that someone else made for you. Or we just NL

I'm sorry? Can you clarify the meaning of this for me?

[mykonian]

why replace for a person when you get the power he crafted. It's annoying.

[UncertainKitten]

Hmm.

[StrangerCoug]

Poor thing. Preemptive omgus?

It is not OMGUS if it's a legitimate counterattack. Sorry.

And do you have anything else to add beyond buddying Fate and Spewing theory? Even your vote on me sucks for a page 9 vote. (OMG, he won't explain to me!!!).

I asked you to explain your choice as to why you thought UncertainKitten and I were scum. You really only gave it for UncertainKitten.

I'd like you to explain why you waited with your vote, as everything you post here was already in the thread. Did you need an excuse for such a shitty vote? Because "he won't explain while I asked" is quite the excuse.

I waited because I wanted an answer to my question first. I did not get that, and I threatened to vote one of you. Don't come crying to me because I was true to my word.

Maybe I don't want to explain to you. So what? It's not like you can say that I'm a VI and that I don't know that this is supposedly antitown. Somehow you know I do it for a reason... and all you can think of is a vote.

Withholding information is in most cases anti-town. We don't need what craft you picked right now, but other than that, if you're asked for something game-relevant, you either give it or give us a damn good reason why you're not. Got it?

Now, I ask you, what do you think of the Fate focus of this entire game? And do you agree with the people that put on the breaks on his scumhunting?

I still think Fate's being Fate and I disagree that he's scum. As for "putting the brakes on his scumhunting", that needs to be clarified before I can give an answer.

[mykonian]

I'd like you to explain why you waited with your vote, as everything you post here was already in the thread. Did you need an excuse for such a shitty vote? Because "he won't explain while I asked" is quite the excuse.

I waited because I wanted an answer to my question first. I did not get that, and I threatened to vote one of you. Don't come crying to me because I was true to my word.

I'm not going to give scum ultimatums. Scum does give town ultimatums. Basically you claimed scum. You were looking for an excuse to place your vote, and "you were true to your word" you sound legitimate. Not that you are.

Maybe I don't want to explain to you. So what? It's not like you can say that I'm a VI and that I don't know that this is supposedly antitown. Somehow you know I do it for a reason... and all you can think of is a vote.

Withholding information is in most cases anti-town. We don't need what craft you picked right now, but other than that, if you're asked for something game-relevant, you either give it or give us a damn good reason why you're not. Got it?

Or get me lynched. Currently you are voteparking. Where is the big case that tells people they should lynch me? There isn't one. There is only an excuse for this vote, which has no intention to convince anyone, but only serves to give the vote enough legitimacy that you shouldn't get attacked for it.

[StrangerCoug]

I'm not going to give scum ultimatums. Scum does give town ultimatums. Basically you claimed scum. You were looking for an excuse to place your vote, and "you were true to your word" you sound legitimate. Not that you are.

I will give an ultimatum to whomever the hell it sounds reasonable regardless of my alignment. I do not believe in empty threats.

Maybe I don't want to explain to you. So what? It's not like you can say that I'm a VI and that I don't know that this is supposedly antitown. Somehow you know I do it for a reason... and all you can think of is a vote.

Withholding information is in most cases anti-town. We don't need what craft you picked right now, but other than that, if you're asked for something game-relevant, you either give it or give us a damn good reason why you're not. Got it?

Or get me lynched. Currently you are voteparking. Where is the big case that tells people they should lynch me? There isn't one. There is only an excuse for this vote, which has no intention to convince anyone, but only serves to give the vote enough legitimacy that you shouldn't get attacked for it.[/quote]
You voiced suspicion of me in your second post of the game and your entire case on me seems to postdate when I voted you. What did I do by your second post that got me on your scumdar, and what pro-town motive do you have to keep me in the dark about it?

[malthusis]

I'm just reading through a few people's posts in isolation, but just a quick question:

@Lilu Hel: Could you maybe find some way to organize your thoughts better between heads? (Labelling posts or just talking about the game more together, I don't know). The split personality syndrome is really messing with my ability to figure out whether you're scum or not. Just a quick thought.

[Kitoari]

I'm sorry, but I have to request replacement in all my games. Mafia is becoming an addiction rather than a hobby, and it's sucking away hours of my life each day. I know this is selfish considering the huge number of games I'm in(I just counted, it's 10), but that's just it. I'll still do MishMash, and GD, and maybe even the occasional Marathon day or Reck/dram-mod, but I really have to get out. I keep telling myself that I'm going to quit, and I tell myself I'll quit after my current games finish, but then I see another game that I just HAVE to join, and it's self-perpetuating. This is the only way I can see to stop. Sorry. I'm just glad I had the cajones to actually request replacement instead of just flaking.

Noted.

[Kitoari]

And I found a replacement already! This is me right now:


Parama replaces gandalf5166, effective... NOW!

[Parama]

yo.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That kitten picture is just the best! ^^

KAWAII~

Oh, and hey Parama. Thanks for replacing in.

[Parama]

LLD PING! PING!

In other news, does UK always open games this way?

Bad vibes, man. Even asking this is showing too much concern.

Fate thought some part of Katsuki's post (I'm thinking the part about only Scum having a kill) was a scum slip.
Katsuki explained that it was a misread of the rules.
Fate promptly unvotes.
If ANY of that is wrong, please correct me.

Okay... and? You don't appear to take a stance on this at all. Why did you post this?

Malth !GINP
Take those stances, be abrasive!

SC PING! PING! PING!

Hmm... Food for thought, but malthusis has a good counterpoint.

Lie low until lylo, anyone? This gives me passivescum vibes.

Now that you bring it up, I

DO

think Katsuki needs to explain how he came to this. Responding with OMGUS doesn't look good, either.

Oh, because you couldn't have brought it up yourself I spy a Katsuki scumbuddy!
Are you playing on a delay? 111 shows no sign of knowing what's currently going on in-thread.

Kat PING!

OH HAI FATE WHY ARE YOU SCUMZ THIS GAME?

OMGUS doesn't happen. Except in this post. I mean... Fate is scum for attacking you? That's exactly what it looks like.

Fate PING! PING! PING!
ZOMG META, but townFate wouldn't give up an attack that easily.

LOL calling someone shotty is apparently uncivil. NOW WE KNOW KITOARIS STANCE ON THAT PLAYER.
LOLZ.

Unvote:
Vote: Lilu Hel

OH COOL. A NEW SCUM HAS ARRIVED!

I think Fate's just randomvoting and seeing if any wagons will catch on.

Unvote, Vote Fate

Unvote:
Vote: UK

Yeah... Fate is scum.

UK !GNIP

What the fuck just happened? Why did Fate let up on Katsuki again?

Glad I'm not the only one who noticed this.

Lilu PING!

I would suggest looking at Fate again, it's odd that he's pointing us out for barely posting when by this ridiculous play he should be accusing the people who havent posted yet of being scum and stalling.

You know, logic isn't rubber... you can't make THAT big of a stretch.

Leis PING!
I spy with my little eye...

Oh, hey. LLD's in the game.

Unvote; Vote: LLD

I will now get back to reading the thread.

LLD: Wh do you say Kat is any more expendable than you are?
Gandalf: ...care to explain anything? (And how is it possible that he doesn't have a vote?)

...something terribly wrong here. Why did you keep your vote on LLD when you had at least some reason to suspect gandalf and little to no reason to suspect LLD (as you yourself stated here).

myko PING!

Conclusion, SC is scum, together with UK. Now, if two players redirected their actions to Gandalf, and someone would make Gandalf a PGO, this would all be a lot easier.

Okay, care to explain? This is completely out of the blue.

Other things:
"- If you send in "Gift - Make someone a lightning rod bomb for one night", I will modkill you instantly."
hehehehehehehe
*strangles myko for wanting to NL*

I can't get a word in edgewise, keep getting cut...

Katsuki, do you still have your ninja avatar?
Apparently I'm voteless? :/
REPLACE OUT if you're going to make this type of post.

PING!count says Fate, LLD, and SC are scum, but I'd wager Kat is more likely to be scum with Fate. Plus, SC is basically confirmed scum if Katsuki is also scum. It works out quite nicely, in fact.

vote: Fate
vote: Fate

Testing. We get rid of this guy first because it'll kill the scumteam's morale if we lynch Fate before Katsuki.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I like how you went to go a find the least effective posts of certain players, and yet completely ignore the bad posting of others.

Such as Lilu. No comment on her wall posts about Fate? They were clearly flawed, and yet you choose to ignore them.

Perhaps you should take a full look at everything that has been said, rather than just selective portions.

For example, I advise you to take a deeper look into Mykonian and Hayldra, and not just post one little comment about their play. There is a lot of pposts by them that have some major problems in them that need to be addressed.

This being said, everything else is good posting. I like what you've said about SC. I can't comment too much on what you've said about Fate, because it comes back to Meta again. The Katsuki/Lei policy lynch stuff is bad, but I'm not sure I read scum off it either. I want to see more content from them before I even decide whether the policy lynch is idiocy or scummy.

Parama, would you mind broadening your field of view, and them coming back and giving your assessment again?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also, to answer your question of "why did you post this?", it was a recap post of what happened between Katsuki and Fate, and what caused Fate to unvote Katsuki after calling for his lynch.

Someone asked for it, but I can't remember who... might have been SC.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

EBWOP: I stand corrected, it was to clarify for UK.

[StrangerCoug]

Hmm... Food for thought, but malthusis has a good counterpoint.

Lie low until lylo, anyone? This gives me passivescum vibes.

I only entertain the no lynching idea for a brief moment, Parama. I don't like being passive, either; I see myself as an aggressive player on a good day.

Now that you bring it up, I

DO

think Katsuki needs to explain how he came to this. Responding with OMGUS doesn't look good, either.

Oh, because you couldn't have brought it up yourself I spy a Katsuki scumbuddy!
Are you playing on a delay? 111 shows no sign of knowing what's currently going on in-thread.[/quote]
I don't have an eagle eye. I may only give something a passing notice until somebody brings it to the forefront of attention. Does that make me scum? Not necessarily. Look at any game I replace in, especially a more recent one—I generally warn that I may have missed something important and ask people to ask me for my opinion if that is the case.

[UncertainKitten]

Hey, Parama, got all that in concise speak? Quote stripes give me a headache.

[Parama]

I like how you went to go a find the least effective posts of certain players, and yet completely ignore the bad posting of others.

One man's trash is another man's treasure.

Such as Lilu. No comment on her wall posts about Fate? They were clearly flawed, and yet you choose to ignore them.

I don't care about Lilu's logic, but Fate's scum regardless.

Perhaps you should take a full look at everything that has been said, rather than just selective portions.

I read the entire thread. I found the posts that are most important.

For example, I advise you to take a deeper look into Mykonian and Hayldra, and not just post one little comment about their play. There is a lot of pposts by them that have some major problems in them that need to be addressed.

But Fate is scum. You're deflecting now and I don't like it.

This being said, everything else is good posting. I like what you've said about SC.

The scumteam now includes you and does not include SC, thank you very much.

Parama, would you mind broadening your field of view, and them coming back and giving your assessment again?

Oh dear. Broaden my field of view? You've played with me before.
NO.

UK - I can't get much conciser. I didn't post as huge of a wall as I could have, but I don't like making those huge walls anymore anyways.

[Fate]

oh HEY Parama, your reads are as shitty as ever. "Fate's scum because he realized he misread Katsuki's posts and backed off HERP DERP" Yup.

At least he's town this game.

MOVING ONNNNNNNNNN

I like myko in the myko vs. Stranger debate, as this was probably the best case I've seen made on anyone ever:

Or get me lynched. Currently you are voteparking. Where is the big case that tells people they should lynch me? There isn't one. There is only an excuse for this vote, which has no intention to convince anyone, but only serves to give the vote enough legitimacy that you shouldn't get attacked for it.

SO ya.

HEY SC, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF LILUHEI?

[Parama]

confirm vote: fate

no caps for you