Touche, RedCoyote. Here's what I'll so since it seems we've come to an impass. I'll go back to page 13 and give my perspective on it.
I Am Innocent 304 wrote:My 2 cents...Implosion had no reason to out the power that he did other than in town interest.
Scum would know they would be a target D1/N1 based on trying to get this anti town role out of the game.
Scum would not lie about the power because they know a town would get the role and verify D2 (unless they and the power were DK'd or NK'd).
Scum Implosion would have kept this power quiet and just subtly passed it on N1.
Town Implosion would have brought this up to the group D1.
The biggest problem now though is getting rid of this power. Based on above, I don't want to get rid of this power on a player that is probably a townie. But can we afford to wait, esp if Diddin is NK'd and his power lost to the void (or whatever happens to it)?
I am sure we have some protection role(s), and I would think that they would consider protecting Diddin with a 50% to 75% likelihood.
- Going to have to say that I disagree with a the bulk of this post. How can you come to a 100% conclusion that scum!implosion or town!implosion would or wouldn't do without a shred of doubt? Your post isn't exactly convincing. It's hardly even worth two cents. any!implosion had every reason to out this ability if he ever intended on using it. The Tree Stump has to declare being the Tree Stump in order for it to go into effect; certainly, it eliminates a vote, but it's D1 for crying out loud. either!implosion could steer to his own motives with this ability, it's really not all that indicative of his alignment. The mod did say the abilities were given at random. I digress, I'm of the opinion that either!implosion would out this ability to use it and have a free pass D1 whilst also getting a massive amount of heat on and off of him. Not to say this isn't all noteworthy, but your speech to confirm implosion's townieness looks purely scum motivated to look entirely too town. Especially with the obvtips to protect the vigpower, an obviously pro-town and highly desired ability.
FoS
!~
- 333, potential VI filtered out of the group. Doesn't appear as if we've lost anything but a number. I like to look at it as a good thing. Sure, it's one less townie, but it's also one less vote to lynch D1; which is the greater asset for town? The latter looks much better to me. Moving on.
- 340, a conversation between Nero Cain and quadz continues. Nero Cain had only posted a handful of times and quadz called him out on it; to be honest, I wanted to do the same thing beforehand, but didn't really find the merit in calling it out alone. It becomes more of a concern when you read this response to posting such a minimal amount of times in 14 pages.
Nero Cain 340 wrote:[Paragraph of total tomfluffery]
blahblahblah diddin's ability is not indicative of alignment blahblahblah (paraphrased)
I really like how you blast me for the vote with no reason when Narsis did the same thing in is ISO #5 yet I'm scummy and he's not.
If you want to call it an OMGUS to make you feel better then feel free but I disagree that I'm posting fluff. Apparently you think answering a question is a fluff post so I'll let you have that one yet only my fluff is scummy.
I think Innocent had a good point about Quadz in 244 and I was disappointed that he didn't feel it warranted an explanation.
++++assuming that implosion is telling the truth he's unkillable therefore Diddin's kill would not work. You JUST got done blastin' TMM for wanting a "no lynch" but you want a "no kill".
curiouskarmadog wrote:what exactly is your definition of fluff?...also why do you think it is scummy that I didnt vote Prama but did vote Diddin?...do you know something I dont...also you are misrepresenting me here why?.. Did I vote Diddin before his "claim" or after?
You're totally right. You voted him before he claimed. So my bad. But still your posting fluff.
- Are... are you
high
? Not only did you try to use a major
deflection
, but you're wasting more time thinking about ++++WIFOM and filling post with fluff for your slap-fight with CKD. Do Not like.
FoS
!~
- Also don't like the Argument from Repetition used in 404, further re-
deflecting
attention back onto Narsis. Again.
Lateralus22 344 wrote:Helghast wrote:I asked because I didn't know what it was since I've never heard of it before, and I dropped it since all was explained in later posts. I dont constantly vote, I dont see the need for it and I keep all the FOS in my head, I only vote until I see hard evidence against someone.
Well hello. Here's the thing, you haven't presented any evidence at all, you've made little to no effort to find scum. You have however coasted along like a good little scum. Convince me you're town, show me who's scum instead of ignoring my question. k thnx.
Unvote;
Vote: Helghast
- A replacement's first vote isn't often as strongly placed as this one. Not the greatest reasoning for a vote in the world, but it's much better to see a proactive replacement instead of someone who may revert the town back into an RVS loop.
like this.
- 347, tmh promises an ISO into CKD and powerrox, agrees to vigging WC in 350,
- CKD's frantic firing 355-357 raises huge exclamation points out of my head. I don't understand how any townie wouldn't see Eruci and immediately know what it means. He obviously has
no idea
in the first two posts and miraculously posts "ohIgetit" before anyone can call him on it? I call bullshit. His response to IAI's question of his alignment is a half-ass jokey response that reads more scummy than anything I've read in this game thus far. He writes "if I was on another team... wouldn't I know who was town and scum? :dumbrolleyesemotetoemphasizedumbjoke:" UMM, NO, ACTUALLY. IT DOESN'T. IF YOU WERE TOWN, YOU WOULD KNOW THAT THE TOWN AND THE MODERATOR HAVE SOMEHING HUGE IN COMMON.
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- Then CKD has the gaul to end 374 by calling out popsofctown for the very same thing he just missed, as if to use a little deflection himself. If both flip scum, I'd lol, but pops has been very pro-town this game, so it could be a coincidence.
- I'd rise the same question to pops; however, it reads (from what CKD quoted in 374) like he was simply confused about the similarity... as opposed to appearing as if they hadn't known about it whatsoever.
- I had a conversation with pops about the wiki (in regards to Tree Stump) and have since decided to leave the conversation at the fact that we'll have a better idea with it D2 when the announced person has it and decides not to activate it.
- IAI fluffs some "pro-town" opinion-vomit 373 with some added attention to EC on top of a claim tip that reads more scum than town to me,
especially
after diddin's 398 insisting for no more claims D1. Obviously we have strong contradicting opinions here. I agree that more claiming shouldn't happen unless the player claiming deems it necessary. In post 400, IAI completely overrides the aforementioned opinion for claims.
I Am Innocent 400 wrote:diddin wrote:He's posted... pretty much a whole lot of nothing really. His last post may be a chainsaw, but those read null without a flip.
Unless there are some serious objections, I'm gonna go ahead and shoot Helghast. I'll support a lynch of Wrath today instead as Helghast is screaming vigbait to me quite a bit.
Count me as a 2nd who has not seen anything scummy about Helghast. What is the reasoning there?
As for EC, his attack on Parama was all over the place. He attacked him for passing the Bomb off, the alternative was to keep it. I questioned him on this and did not care for the response.
Quite a few people have said EC. If you are not going to switch to EC, my vote is to keep it on the player who has claimed no power (WC) before Helghast.
- Further deflects attetion to EC, "not getting" Helghast (basically the same reason he's against WC vigbait) and now provides minimal reason to vig EC intead. Not looking too town to me. At all.
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VOTE: curiouskarmadog
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Vig Nomination: Nero Cain
"Fuck you. I opened up my heart to you and you stabbed it a thousand times." - Gamma, to me, right before confessing to being the town vig and murdering my scum partner N1.
