Lucid Dreamers - Game Halted

[StrangerCoug]

OK, I don't think mykonian flipping scum incriminates you per se anymore.

[Fate]

You're THAT sure he's scum just because he called you and UK scum together.

Seriously Stranger...

That's INCONSISTENT AS HELL. You can't play all passive, "lol passives mah meta" and then go all "MYJO IS SCUM 100% HER R HIZ BUDDIDEZ"

Taking back your weaklink attack on me "Fate IS scum cuz loltell CHAINSAWZ" AINT GONNA WORK MISTER.

[StrangerCoug]

I never questioned the pairing itself. I'm questioning the lack of reasoning for calling us scum until pressured for it. In addition, for you to be scum required mykonian to be in my eyes—me being wrong would have cleared you.

Where did I say that being passive is my meta?

[Fate]

I don't know if you said it explicitly in defense form like that, but it seems to be implied/the general feel I get, when reading your defense posts vs. UK and stuff.

[Fate]

I never questioned the pairing itself. I'm questioning the lack of reasoning for calling us scum until pressured for it. In addition, for you to be scum required mykonian to be in my eyes—

me being wrong would have cleared you.

Clarify this last part more, are you saying you don't think myko is scum anymore?

[Katsuki]

HOLY SHIT 10 pages to catch up on... I will probably not be able to do so for the next few days due to holidays and what not.

[StrangerCoug]

I never questioned the pairing itself. I'm questioning the lack of reasoning for calling us scum until pressured for it. In addition, for you to be scum required mykonian to be in my eyes—

me being wrong would have cleared you.

Clarify this last part more, are you saying you don't think myko is scum anymore?

No. I'm saying that if mykonian were to be lynched and flip town contrary to what I think, you would not be suspect.

[Fate]

So what you're saying is that your theory of Myko scum+Fate scumchainsaw would be weakened if Myko flipped town.

OK THANKS.

But here's the weird part, you said:

"ANYMORE"

What the hell does that even mean>

Sounds like you made up the reason AFTER the fact (since it wouldn't mean "anymore" since there was never a situation in which a scumbuddy theory would BE valid if one flipped town) when I called you out on it.

HMMMMMMMMM

[StrangerCoug]

The word "anymore" indicates that I changed my opinion about you.

[Fate]

This implies that you thought I was scummy independent of myko before, but I don't see any evidence of that in your ISO

[StrangerCoug]

You don't see any evidence that I thought you're scummy independent of mykonian in my ISO because that is not what I am saying. Previously, I thought if mykonian is scum, then so are you (if it helps clear things up, I basically thought you two were probably the same alignment); I now think you stand a good chance of being town independent of mykonian.

[Leiskyrie]

So, have finally had time to skim this thread.
I voted UK because of a lot of noise-making (particularly after Parama replaced in), and for accusing people based on meta-speculation. Not that it isn't useful, but I don't think it should be the sole reason in lynching somebody. And that case on Fate was pretty weak.

However, it seems that UK has improved since the myko/SC debate so...

Unvote

Still don't like LLD either. The exchange with Parama in which she was there directing him and telling him what to look at is does not leave a good feeling. And her other posts are not particularly useful either.

Regarding the debate, the original case on SC is pretty weak, and there really has been way too much focus on whether or not threatening is a valid scumtell. That being said, SC's vote on myko in the beginning was not great and he's overly defensive in response to myko's reaction fishing. Though I disagreed with myko that NL is the best D1 strategy (of course, I've only played one LD game before so I don't have a lot of evidence to back it up), his posts seem much more town-inclined. And LLD, I don't find his transition from supporting NL to lynching scummy.

Before I vote,

Mod, could we get a votecount please?

[UncertainKitten]

The case on Fate was me being a complete moron. After that I feel I started to get significantly better.

Nn...fine, congratulations on making your first contentful post all game. Glad it only took you 15 pages. Some people still haven't gotten around to it.

[Kitoari]

Votecount #7
Lilu Hel -Lady Lambdadelta (1)
StrangerCoug - bv310, mykonian, Fate, Parama, UncertainKitten (5)
UncertainKitten - malthusis (1)
Lady Lambdadelta - Katsukikiki (1)
Fate - Lilu Hel (1)
Mykonian - StrangerCoug (1)

Not voting: Shadow Dancer

Deadline is on January 3rd, 4:00 PM Central Time.
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch!

[UncertainKitten]

Um, Kito, I voted SC.

Fix'd

[UncertainKitten]

After unvoting and voting Fate, and unvoting Fate again.

[UncertainKitten]

My latest vote

[Parama]

LOL I HAVE TO VOTE BACKWARDS
Ok.

[Katsuki]

Can anyone give me a summary of what's happening in this game, starting from hayldra?

[mykonian]

nah, don't feel like doing it. Vote SC though. He's scum.

[Katsuki]

Not even a short explanation of why?

[Leiskyrie]

Vote: SC

[UncertainKitten]

You could read the game and be happy it's not you. But that would take :effort:, wouldn't it?

@Lei: Really? But I thought Lady Lambdadelta was scummy.

You are not giving me good vibes.

Anyway,

THAT IS L-1!!

[UncertainKitten]

EBWOP: SC should probably claim his craft. Why no, this DOESN'T effect the fact we lynch him. But on the off chance he's town there might be valuable information, depending on how he handled things.

[Leiskyrie]

Um...I said I was going to vote SC after the vote count.