Blackest Night Mafia (GAME OVER!)

[SpyreX]

Damnit MoI you might spoil something I'm waiting to see how it pans out.

(And I didn't spoil my color - I said Orange was my second (and it was because of a small inner desire) but I sure as hell haven't said what color I actually am)

[SensFan]

You may have missed the post in the sign-up thread where they said that Mod preference did indeed play a part. I know they laughed it off, but it does seem to fit in with the genre of this game.

Also, the fact that you're voting me because you don't think SSBF would have submitted Scum is pretty laughable, if I read that right. It's also something I'm completely unable to defend or explain, FWIW.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Damnit MoI you might spoil something I'm waiting to see how it pans out.

(And I didn't spoil my color - I said Orange was my second (and it was because of a small inner desire) but I sure as hell haven't said what color I actually am)

I aim to please

... er sorry?

And I know you didn't spoil your color. My question to KDub has little to do with the accuracy of his attack and has everything to do with the consistency of it.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Also, the fact that you're voting me because you don't think SSBF would have submitted Scum is pretty laughable, if I read that right. It's also something I'm completely unable to defend or explain, FWIW.

I don't feel the story you are floating that SSBF would include Orange, a Serial Killer color, in his choices after his experience in Clash of Kings makes any sense. Go read SSBF's comments post game in Clash of Kings and make an argument my thoughts are invalid.

Your inability to speak for him doesn't mean I can't question what I see as a potential lie.

[SensFan]

Further I suggest from what I know about SSBF I would doubt taking the scum route would be his logical choice of action.

[tanstalas]

@Everyone voting for Spyrex

– I’d like to know how his mind-bogglingly strange logic regarding choosing Orange as a second color and it being meaningful (which appears to be from a misunderstanding of how roles would be distributed) is in any way a scum-tell.

Not in itself no. I'm just curious as to his thinking that if he got his first pick it would confirm there was a SK in the game. My vote there was just to get him to answer me as I am curious as to his reasoning.

[danakillsu]

SpyreX [1]

- Kdub, xvart

Mod: Is this an error?

I can say with a great degree of certainty that this WAS an error.

[Vi]

It gave me a chance to see that your exaggerated attacks were coming from a position that's incomprehensible if you're Town. (Thank you for your cooperation. :alex: )

There's a pretty clear double standard here. You making a scene = you're scumhunting, me making a scene = I'm scum. Especially given that the "exaggerated attacks" point is pretty untrue (minus the lying thing, which might have crossed the line a little bit. But not that much.).

Arguing against yourself looks terrible here.

I said I didn't want to answer your questions, and why in varying degrees of detail. But given that you still haven't bothered to explain yourself in spite of repeated attempts to get you to do so

and

should probably have figured out by now that I'm just not going to do it so you have nothing to lose in explaining yourself, I don't think this is about the questionnaire... which makes your side of the story baseless. You're welcome.

Go ahead and reread exactly WHY I said it was irrelevant.

Is this what you are talking about?

Re: Getting the colors you wanted - For one, the mod team said they wanted to satisfy as many people as they could, so the answer would mostly be "yes". Even if not, I would presume most people would not be heartbroken if they didn't get their favorite shade of Town for whatever reason, so long as they got the alignment they wanted. And if they didn't get the alignment they wanted, they would probably be better off not saying so explicitly inthread.

If so, in SensFan's case, he didn't get the colors he wanted, he didn't get the alignment he wanted, and he DID say so in thread. And you called it interesting. Not irrelevant.

Yes I did, because I was under the assumption that everyone would claim to have picked Town. I was mistaken.

----

MoI on setup meta - I wouldn't know. The only game I've played or modded with two four-person scumteams (and no SK) had 30 players.

SensFan is going to be pissed about something or other regardless. As for

testing

his veracity, that would require a flip. I don't think he's lying - especially about not getting the alignment he wanted, whatever that is - and think there are better scum candidates out there. If you get bored with him, come help me start a Kdub wagon.

[SensFan]

SensFan is going to be pissed about something or other regardless.

I find that more than a little unfair, just for the record.

[xRECKONERx]

Also Fate/xReck RIP caps lawk ... the caps was much funnier to read than the nocaps/bad spelling eyesore.

I cannot disagree more. I much prefer seeing Fate and his crew forced to wallow in the territory of Razorback / Vezok / Furcolow than having to see page after page of pointless all-caps posting.

hey anticapslockcrew set phasers to stun on moi hes bein kinda bitchy

how about scumhunting instead of bitching all game long?

The irony here is over-whelming. The Caps-Lawk crew (which you look to be applying for Junior Membership with) is throwing the equivalent of a temper tantrum for not being able to CAPS LAWK and you have the gaul to tell someone else to stop bitching?

hey magna quit bitching
also ad hom ad hom ad hom ad hom ad hom


so far ive read nothing that makes me want to scumhunt its all omg colors or omg setup meta
when some actual scumhunting starts just lemme know cuz this is all quite painful to read thru

[nopointinactingup]

If SensFan hadn't said anything and PikachuGM hadn't asked irrelevant questions I would have voted nopointinetc. for claiming anti-Town colors in signups. (44)

SHUSH!! That was a secret ..

@NoPoint

– Why only answer a portion of AGM’s questions?

Hi! Cuz I like following trends.

Vi vs Pikachu:

I don't like AGM's questions real much but I see no real scum-hunting reason to make a fuss over it either. Both Vi and AGM is probably town.

Spyrex Agent Orange:

It's a bit peculiar that Spyrex picked Orange as his second but what scum motivation does it represent again?

Senfan bitching:

Buddy up to Magna time!

Vote:Senfan

[Plum]

Too many characters, so two-part post upcoming.

Reputation is an idle and most false imposition, oft got without merit and lost without reserving.

Screw you, I'm not going to Google this - oh yeah, I think I have it, actually. I'm going to look stupid as anything if I'm wrong, but Edmund, King Lear, somewhere in Act I, amirite? Bonues point plz?

I feel like outing the results of my search would be beneficial to the town, but I can see why judging people's choices of their preferences is grey area.

I'm inclined to say go for it. If these sort of setups weren't begging for this sort of thing I might be less gung-ho, but honestly my view of the game - and everyone else's, I'll bet - has already been colored heavily by my expectations and thoughts about which people were likely to have picked a Town color.

I would also like to submit to the group the following:
People with rings can lose their rings, read your role pms.
From this I gather that someone either destroys them or steals them.
HRMMMMM

I WONDER WHO THAT COULD BE
orange, perhaps? Just be wary.

Stay holy, friends.

-Andy

WAIT. So there is a nefarious force gonna try to steal our Rings of Power? And/or destroy them? WELL I NEVER.

Tans is scum, and for those not in the know, here's why: Not that there are no reasons for thinking that people at the end of the list were less likely to get their picks, and not that the idea that a Large Theme setup with two Mafia teams and an SK might be more likely to favor Town. But because Tans clearly doesn't believe much in these explanations - they are excuses which he hides behind and dodges around when they seem inconvenient. I mean:

Firstly, I doubt the hosts did some kind of first come first serve role distribution, and I would wager it more likely that RNG gave people roles on their first picks. So regardless of if you were the first or the last person to submit colors, I don't think that it would have any bearing on whether you got your color choice or not.

I got my first pick and was near the top of the list *shrug* just speculation I suppose. Your theory makes more sense though. Maybe I was just lucky.

Secondly, why do you think it would be easier for town to win?

General trends

show mafia win more than town as of right now. Most people wouldn't pick town because they think they have a better chance at winning because town is easier, they would pick town because they are better at town than scum, or because they haven't played town in a while, or whatever other reason they want.

I was only ever in one large game on this site that I recall, and town won... granted we were down to 1 town , 1 scum and 1 sk at the end so it was close and probably not relevant to supporting my case. However on a couple large games that I semi-followed here that I found interesting I found that town won more often than not, also on another site I used to play on I found that town usually had the advantage in large games.

When you say general trends are you referring to a specific type of game such as large games or in general including minis, newbie, etc?

BOTH concede that his reasoning may be flawed. NOWHERE do we see any signs of him rethinking his vote on Andrius, which he already definitively declared to be entirely serious for the very reasons he's starting to concede may not be valid.

[Plum]

*I co-modded Pledge of Allegiance, another game where people could choose their alignment.
Giving everyone the alignment they wanted, it came down to
**5 Mafia
**8 Neutral
**11 Town
so even after accounting for differences in the player list, the idea that EVERYONE would choose Town is probably not true at all.
*People picking a "challenging" alignment works mostly if they like being either alignment.

'Course when you have a guaranteed chance to be third-party if you like, people will take it. We have one SK. Do you think the fallback alignment choice for those who wanted Orange was Town or scum? From your data and MoI's claimed data, I'd guess at noticeably more Town than scum.

I recognize SpyreX's line of thinking "'Don't want to be scum' 'SK could be fun' 'Town is fun' hence Town/SK with a side of knowing it exists if I don't get it". Just throwing that out there.

Wait - Tans

forgot

to Unvote Andrius in that post? I'm not sure I'm buying that one. Hmmm.

The way you used the word 'frame' in your sentence to me struck a cord, hence why I asked you to give your definition of it. Usually when I think of framing someone I think of trying to make someone look guilty that you know is innocent which is why I asked you to define the word because there is no way I could know he is innocent (read: town) and I thought that only one group of people would know he was town, that being mafia, then I realized that the two scum groups most likely do not know who each other is. Though if you are scum then you would know the alignment of everyone save about 16% of the people in the gave (assuming 4/4/4/4/4/1 split)

The hell? I usually don't get strong vibes of 'look at me I'm so Town rite' because I've gotten grief mentioning offhand the fact that I'm Town as Town and you also get grief if you're not explicit enough about it - but this? Huh? It's weird, convoluted - 'I couldn't have framed anybody because I'm Town lol and hey thinking about it scum couldn't

really

frame anybody because they don't know who else might not be Town lol'. It almost reads like Tans

is

scum and

was

trying to 'frame' Andrius, by which I mean push a case he internally thought was BS, and then realized no one could actually frame, how convenient a response to KK.

Yeah, no.

@SpyreX - This has been asked before by Xvart in #110, but why would you assume there 'might' be an SK in the game? It was very clearly outlined that there would be an SK in the game in the signup thread. Were you expecting the mods to message you back with "hehe lol there is no orange, we just put it in there to screw with you, even though we said there was an orange sk in the 5th post of the signup thread"

Vote:Spyrex

And why is this

scummy? PREVIEW EDIT: Yeah, what NPAU said. Nice jumping on the stupid bandwagon (and I mean no real disrespect, but that bandwagon is facepalm worthy).

@Everyone voting for Spyrex

– I’d like to know how his mind-bogglingly strange logic regarding choosing Orange as a second color and it being meaningful (which appears to be from a misunderstanding of how roles would be distributed) is in any way a scum-tell.

Not in itself no. I'm just curious as to his thinking that if he got his first pick it would confirm there was a SK in the game. My vote there was just to get him to answer me as I am curious as to his reasoning.

That's actually interesting information if true. It likely means that

too many people

requested scum.

The hell. My theory is blown a bit out of the water by this. Damn, I prefer swimming in Town, and this will put a significant damper on the happy I get when I can Townhunt out of people whom I know have a preference for actually being Town as a general rule. Dammit.

I just want you to use your robots or whatever it is to look through all my games and tell me if I was ever an SK, sheesh.

Just on a quick google search I found this:

http://mafiascum.net/dontpanic/viewtopi ... =9&start=0

Now I didn't dig deep so this is the only one I found offhand based on a simple search, and I can understand that you may have forgotten this game since it was a marathon game, thought it sort of funny that RC modded that game as well.. and you also admitted you picked orange as one of your colors... hmmm...

The hell you're trying to insinuate? Really. Yeah, Spy said he was rarely if ever SK. That goes for most people on this site (Hayyyyylen >.<). Marathon games count/matter to various people by various degrees, so I'm not surprised it didn't leap to mind, as you said. And yeah, Spy admitted to picking Orange as his second choice. So fine. BUT WHAT IS 'FUNNY' ABOUT RC MODDING THAT GAME, HUH? It looks like crazyrandomhappenstance which in point of fact isn't so crazy and is barely coincidental. If you actually mean that you think RC likes making Spy an SK, man up and say it. If you don't, explain what you were trying to insinutate? Or were you just trying to seem like there were actual reasons to believe Spy is actually a threat? You should answer this, but I'm not holding my breath.

Both were fairly close in terms of overall player number, IIRC. Clash had a higher Town PR concentration than LOTR but both were fairly balanced, IMO.

In stream-of-consciousness, I appreciate this as a compliment.

@Everyone voting for Spyrex

– I’d like to know how his mind-bogglingly strange logic regarding choosing Orange as a second color and it being meaningful (which appears to be from a misunderstanding of how roles would be distributed) is in any way a scum-tell.

Not in itself no. I'm just curious as to his thinking that if he got his first pick it would confirm there was a SK in the game. My vote there was just to get him to answer me as I am curious as to his reasoning.

O RLY?

Can we lynch this? Vi, I appreciate you, as ever as always, but. I think this is where it's at.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: tanstalas

[Stephoscope]

Ugh...this thread has seven pages before I even saw it. Anyway, I'll answer the early questions before looking at anyone else's answers...

Greetings to the many people on the playerlist I have already played with, and looking forward to having a good time with those whom I have not. I have the following introductory questions:

1) Did you get the color you asked for?

I got my first choice.

2) You can N0 Vig anybody on the playerlist. Do you use your power? If so, who do you target?

Nope.

3) If you knew you wouldn't be caught, would you cheat to win at a game where the only thing at stake was your reputation (e.g., if you win people think you are good at the game, if you lose people think you are not)?

Nope.

4) You are playing a $100 game of ultimatum. In this game, the first player proposes how to divide the $100 between the two players, and the second player can either accept or reject this proposal. If the second player rejects, neither player receives anything. If the second player accepts, the money is split according to the proposal. You are the first player - how do you split the piles?

I don't understand. Who put up the money? Does the second player know the rules?

5) The same as question four, except now the game is being played with $1,000,000. How do you divide the money?

I still don't understand...

[danakillsu]

Everyone has picked up their role PMs, so any player that hasn't posted by 24 hours from this post will be prodded.

[xRECKONERx]

do it dana i dare you

also ummmm i almost just caps locked right then

hey fate i might break our agreement

[ReaperCharlie]

SpyreX [1]

- Kdub, xvart

Mod: Is this an error?

I can say with a great degree of certainty that this WAS an error.

Yeah... oops.

I fixed it.

[Katsuki]

hey reck i think u need to take a look at tans

[Plum]

Sweet, I managed to italicize like half my second post.

[tanstalas]

BOTH concede that his reasoning may be flawed. NOWHERE do we see any signs of him rethinking his vote on Andrius, which he already definitively declared to be entirely serious for the very reasons he's starting to concede may not be valid.

I did actually unvote, you actually mentioned my unvote later in your next post, so I will not quote that part as it is redundant. Believe me or not that I forgot to unvote - based on this post and the next one of yours I doubt anything I say will change your mind.

The hell? I usually don't get strong vibes of 'look at me I'm so Town rite' because I've gotten grief mentioning offhand the fact that I'm Town as Town and you also get grief if you're not explicit enough about it - but this? Huh? It's weird, convoluted - 'I couldn't have framed anybody because I'm Town lol and hey thinking about it scum couldn't really frame anybody because they don't know who else might not be Town lol'. It almost reads like Tans is scum and was trying to 'frame' Andrius, by which I mean push a case he internally thought was BS, and then realized no one could actually frame, how convenient a response to KK.

Yeah, no.

I'm confused? No one can actually frame anyone in this game, unless they were masons and tried to setup their buddy as a mislynch, which would probably lead to being modkilled or something because they were not working towards their wincon.

I assume you meant initially instead of internally? If so, no, one of the theories I had for getting what you wanted was that the higher you were on the list the better chance you had to get the role you selected for reasons mentioned in my ISO-6 and also for one of the posts that RC made in the signup thread about giving someone a role that was 'left over'. In retrospect I see that this would be entirely unfair and I am still shaking my head that I thought that could be how the roles were handed out.

And why is this scummy? PREVIEW EDIT: Yeah, what NPAU said. Nice jumping on the stupid bandwagon (and I mean no real disrespect, but that bandwagon is facepalm worthy).

I said him choosing orange wasn't a scum tell in itself. I voted him to get his attention to my post as I do want an answer to why he thought an SK wasn't in the game and his reasoning/thought process of if he gets his first choice then that would prove there was an SK in the game?

However, since you said this:

I recognize SpyreX's line of thinking "'Don't want to be scum' 'SK could be fun' 'Town is fun' hence Town/SK with a side of knowing it exists if I don't get it". Just throwing that out there.

Can you explain to me how getting a town role would confirm that an SK exists, since well, you recognize his line of thinking.

The hell you're trying to insinuate? Really. Yeah, Spy said he was rarely if ever SK. That goes for most people on this site (Hayyyyylen >.<). Marathon games count/matter to various people by various degrees, so I'm not surprised it didn't leap to mind, as you said. And yeah, Spy admitted to picking Orange as his second choice. So fine. BUT WHAT IS 'FUNNY' ABOUT RC MODDING THAT GAME, HUH? It looks like crazyrandomhappenstance which in point of fact isn't so crazy and is barely coincidental. If you actually mean that you think RC likes making Spy an SK, man up and say it. If you don't, explain what you were trying to insinutate? Or were you just trying to seem like there were actual reasons to believe Spy is actually a threat? You should answer this, but I'm not holding my breath.

He asked if someone could find a game where he was an SK. I found one.

While I do not think that the mods assigned certain roles to people that they liked or didn't like (or at least hope they didn't) I just found it curious that RC modded a game where Spyrex was a SK.. maybe Sensfan's paranoia is rubbing off on me. So in answer to your question, maybe I was insinuating that perhaps Sensfan isn't as crazy as we all think he is with his wild conspiracy theories. There

was

a bit of 'joking' around in the signup threads about bias to people for roles. I guess what I am saying is that I do not think the mods picked roles based on the person - however, I do not know if theme games have the same rules as other games, where they HAVE to use random.org to assign the roles (if someone could enlighten me that would be awesome). If they do not, then I am going to leave Sensfans conspiracy theory as a possible, but not likely scenario.

P-edit: Love how I always get Katsuki love in the games I am in with her. Slightly surprised Fate isn't on my wagon yet though

[Andrius]

I was out of RVS the moment I voted Andrius. I gave a RVS reason, but I do think he has a good chance at being scum.

"Not sending in my color choices" was a shit reason to vote me.
You're going to have to play God-like to impress me now. Especially after your brilliance in SSBMafia.

tanstalas thinking it would be easier for town to win is laughable, at best. Clearly he has never played as town in a large of epic proportions as town.

they would pick town because they are better at town than scum

QFT
Anyone who has played with me as scum knows that I'm more obvious that I'd like to be.
Town is the only alignment I can play, and there's always the SMALL chance for Masons as town, so.
Mason > Scum Neighborizer in my books

And to disprove your theory, tans: I got my first choice and am near the bottom.

The delay was 100% my fault

Maybe you shouldn't have condoned spreading the lie about my not sending my colors in and worked harder, we could have started earlier.

Vote: Andrius

The color complaining is already old. Time to sing a new tune.

1) I'm not complaining.
2) If it is old, why are you voting me? HRMMM

Yeah, based on your 1st post I think you probably drew a VT role or a regular goon role Sensfan, however since I do not have much to go on, I forgot that Andrius wanted purple, and since Red is one of the primary colors used for making purple there is a 50/50 chance that Andrius picked Red Scum, and hence, is our best lynch for now.

Unvote:
Vote: Andrius

k hes town
anticapslockalliance needs to set phasers to love

Who is town? Me or tans?

If Fate is attempting to imitate razorback I am amused.

If Fate is attempting to imitate razorback.

imitate razorback

razorback

FFFFFFFFF

*People picking a "challenging" alignment works mostly if they like being either alignment.

Town is challenging enough. (Given I get lynched in LyLo as town Cop in a Newbie Game... )

Also, I don't see what you've gained by dangling the threat that you've viewed people's wiki role preferrences. I think that cases should be made using as little of WIFOM as possible.

Last time we did this in an alignment-pick, we nailed 3 scum IIRC. It worked, and confirmed two of us as town (myself included).

MagnaofIllusion

So you expect goodwill for betraying your Town alignment instead of using your brain and lynching obv-Not-Unlynchable AGM in Choose Your Side? Noted.

Forgot about that.
I expect some sort of goodwill from AGM, who lied to me about items (<3). I USED MY BRAIN. I KNEW we could have had him. I chose to win as Cult, which is one of my greatest shames. (Still have to make it up to UK...)

Um, what? You are claiming credit for that? Really? You certainly didn’t miss me playing in this game. Why you thought you should be claiming credit for that I find confusing.

I'm not. It was SSBF, IIRC. But we did catch animorpherv1 (and manho via him) by doing this, and YOU, IIRC.

If you actually thought it would benefit Town you would have done it right away.

It would, I think. I just feel like its a tad unfair to those of you who I KNOW favor 3rd party roles *coughguesswhocough*.

And for the record – I see you breadcrumb. Why does the character you are crumbing not match up with your stated color preferences of Indigo / Violet when you claim to have gotten your choice?

Indigo/Purple was my second choice.
You can infer what my first color choice was.
I got my FIRST choice.

Someone remind me why Fate isn't allowed to caps lock? Its stupid.
Agreeing with SpyreX that all small-caps is worse than all-caps.
Whoever was bitching about CAPS LOCK needs to eat their fucking lantern ring and man up.
/er

I heard the word "alliance".
I feel like the SK should have been a "Sepia Lantern", but whatever.

Hullo dramonic. I'll try not to get you killed again. lol /apologies

Reading over KK's 83, if the mods seriously gave Fate a post restriction to NOT caps lock, then I just lost complete faith in ReaperCharlie. As anything but a worm. Seriously.

Hey Guderian. I'll play this one, I promise.

The nocaps alliance is maintaining that fine line between making me not take this game seriously and not being funny.

QFT
It makes me want to weep for the loss of the great CAPS LOCK alliance. You are all seriously dead to me if you do this the entire fucking game. And you will get NO baked goods from me if this continues.

Town should not be volunteering their color choices without good reason.

Oooooooh, I take it you wouldn't like doing something I'm considering?

AGM didn't answer his questions last time either.

I don't know too much about either of the mods (beyond the fact RC dislikes me), so for those of you who do: assuming mod preference played a part in the assigning of roles, who would be most likely to have received a role that was presumably highly requested (SK), or else a Scum role if they prefer Scum?

RC tried to bribe me/WIFOM me into staying.
Something to do with rigging potential roles for me. lol Sure as hell didn't happen though.

I agree with Kublai Khan. Starbuck needs to stop posting non-scum hunting crap. We all need someone who knows flavor (I sure as hell don't), but we don't need more of what she's doing.

Votes on me are bad. They're the first to

die

get burnt baked goods.

evidently mods thought the game would be lamer and boring without caps

Spot on, Kat.

Further I suggest from what I know about SSBF I would doubt taking the scum route would be his logical choice of action. Given how he felt about his SK role in Clash of Kings Mafia him throwing Orange as a color choice feels very unlikely.

Let me get back to you on this. PMing mod.

Screw you, I'm not going to Google this - oh yeah, I think I have it, actually. I'm going to look stupid as anything if I'm wrong, but Edmund, King Lear, somewhere in Act I, amirite? Bonues point plz?

Othello. Iago, Act III, Scene... II?
Don't fret over the bonus points. I might give you baked goods later on.

I'm inclined to say go for it. If these sort of setups weren't begging for this sort of thing I might be less gung-ho, but honestly my view of the game - and everyone else's, I'll bet - has already been colored heavily by my expectations and thoughts about which people were likely to have picked a Town color.

I'm waiting to see what

they

say before though. Just want to see what they say before I release the results.

WAIT. So there is a nefarious force gonna try to steal our Rings of Power? And/or destroy them? WELL I NEVER.

THEIR EVIL PLAN:
1) STEAL RINGS OF POWER
2) TAKE HOBBITSES TO ISENGARD
3) RUINS NICE FISH
But yeah. I'd bet the SK wins by rings, if this is a mechanic at all. /end speculation

I like your tans case, but you aren't voting?
Nevermind.

Unvote, Vote: tanstalas

Magna vote isn't good anymore. tanstalas is a much better vote now.
/not deliberately sheeping Plum

[Andrius]

HAH
NOT NINJA'D ONCE, BITCHES.

[tanstalas]

HAH
NOT NINJA'D ONCE, BITCHES.

You typed that all up in 6 minutes?

I call shenanigans

[Andrius]

HAH
NOT NINJA'D ONCE, BITCHES.

You typed that all up in 6 minutes?

I call shenanigans

I don't remember seeing you post as a ninja. :S

[Fate]

vote: kdub

what a terrible reasonin to vote spyrex''=

color choices help scum lolwut

spyrex can claim tomorrrow but not today stop spyre wagons top

onto pg 6n7