Mini 1095 - Fast Food Mafia - Game Over

[Battousai]

Ugh... I know I'm susposed to think you are town for a bit, but your last post is just...

Assuming you are town- This minimalizes reactions a bit. Saying you are waitng for them to react gives that one blank effect (where the subjects behaved differently when they believe they are being watched). Chrono, SC will know you'd be scrutinizing their reaction and will adjust appropriately. Yes, decent scum would know this anyways, but sometimes when there is actual pressure they react without thinking of appropriate scum play.

If I wasn't assuming you are town, I'd see this as possible coaching/warning either SC or Chrono (making you the scum partner of one but not both). Noting this for later, will get back to it after a scum flip.

[CooLDoG]

@CooLDoG
Right back at you mate, you mis-rep'd saying I was putting pressure on you, when I wasn't. Scum have fakeclaims, I believe yours is one of them.

This is a logical fallacy called "Tu quoque" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque, and thus I will not comment on it. Also, I think you are the best wagon. I agree with most of the points brought up on you. And why do we need a competing wagon if yours' is pretty good for a d-1 lynch?

I have SC down as a null atm.


@yabb, I'm not sure if that was a scum slip. Why would it change, and why would you post that if there wasn't a reason for it to change.

[lewarcher82]

@Batt: both Chrono and SC are keeping a very low profile. Therefore I am interested in their reactions to a vote cast by Ant that does not look very good.

@Cool: how can you have a nullread on SC? I am unable to read him, but he is pretty much in the center of this game. I am worried, because I don't know his meta, and the fact that I am unable to read him makes me feel uneasy. It is something I am unable to analyse, but by no means I would call this a nullread...

[AntB]

You really think I'm going to down quietly? My vote isn't good, granted. But neither is lurking.

Just curious, if/when I flip town, who are peoples top scumspects?

[lewarcher82]

In that case, which I still regard to as unlikely, I would turn my attention to the wagon on you, with particular attention to EtherealCookie or whoever will replace him. Let's make it clear: do you or do you not agree with the case against Chrono?

[Zang]

Votecount-

Chronopie - 4 - (StrangerCoug, Purple Orange, AntB, InHimshallibe) (L-3)
CooLDoG - 1 - (Chronopie) (L-6)
AntB - 5 - (CooLDoG, rajrhcpfreak, yabbaguy, EtherealCookie, lewarcher82) (L-2)
StrangerCoug - 2 - (Magua, Battousai) (L-5)

7 needed to lynch

Deadline is January 4 at 3:15 pm EST

[StrangerCoug]

I didn't think AntB could be faulted that much for what he was thinking when he was voting, but a competing wagon for the sake of a competing wagon, especially this late in the day, doesn't seem like the most pro-town thing to start. I think the count's wrong, but I really don't care if this is the hammer.

UNVOTE: Chronopie. We'll take care of him later.
VOTE: AntB

I still think inHimshallibe's case on AntB is crap if even existent, but that was already a "for later" thing. I think I've got everybody.

Also,

mod, who miscounted the votes? yabbaguy or you?

[StrangerCoug]

I just realized that if that is the hammer, I just killed AntB without letting him answer lewarcher82's question. Ah, well, I'll have to grin and bear it.

[Magua]

I still think inHimshallibe's case on AntB is crap if even existent

Holy cheese and crackers. IHSIB doesn't have a case on AntB. IHSIB said as much. IHSIB is voting Chrono. Do you even *read* this stuff?

I didn't think AntB could be faulted that much for what he was thinking when he was voting, but a competing wagon for the sake of a competing wagon, especially this late in the day, doesn't seem like the most pro-town thing to start. I think the count's wrong, but I really don't care if this is the hammer.

My god. You are scum. Get lynched.

[StrangerCoug]

Hey, I gave my reasons for getting on the Chronopie wagon. AntB made it look like he was too—in fact, with some of the same reasoning I used—but now I think he's just lumping on to get the day over with.

[AntB]

We have an incredibly short deadline. I'm now at L-1 afaik and I'm not going to go down quietly, I'm Vannila Town under the Quiznos banner. All I have on chronopie is he's a competing wagon and he's a lurker. inHimShalliBe isn't going to be lynched and he was my lynch of choice.

[Magua]

I'm Vannila Town under the Quiznos banner.

That's the sample townie PM the mod gives in the second post.

[rajrhcpfreak]

ummm, i found strangecoug's comments off some reason. but AntB using the example? lolz

here is my updated list of players.

most scum

AntB
Purple Orange - mainly because of peanut
Chronopie
StrangerCoug - moved up because of his shadiness of previous few comments.
Battousai
lewarcher82 - moved down slightly since he is kinda meh.
Thestatusquo - i think shea and inhim should be right there in the middle because of them being themselves.
InHimshallibe
Magua - since hes replaced in hes said some solid things.
EtherealCookie
CooLDoG - in defense of cool. he is just claim happy. but look how important ant's claim outed him.
rajrhcpfreak

most town

[AntB]

Just double checked my Role PM... Del Taco *facepalm* Still VT anyway. Must've seen the first page PM too many times...

I'm lynch bait now for that methinks.

Calling rajrchpfreak and inHimShalliBe as partial scumteam. SC probably the final member.

Good night, and go town. Even if I survive lynch I won't survive the night methinks.

[Zang]

Also,

mod, who miscounted the votes? yabbaguy or you?

The votecount should be correct.

[Purple Orange]

@ Mod: could you please list votes in the order cast?

I thought it was just mine at first because I was a replacement, but these votecounts have everyone's votes out of order. The last votes on AntB were Cooldog and yabba (then SC, after the count was posted), so whatever the heck is up there right now fits with that in no way whatsoever.

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On AntB - no longer got any objection to his lynch. Not sure I correctly interpreted what yabba was saying in 417 here:

The inHim fight is throttling my mind, but I think it's just a matter of giddiness when someone is just tunneling on you. I've been there, it's understandable, but I also think it could happen to either alignment.

...but one thing I got out of it (and a re-ISO) was that AntB's switch to more assertive play could be simply because someone was tunneling him and he was responding, which knocks the legs out from under one of my reasons for not voting him. Then there's him saying he's torn between Chron and SC, then waiting...and waiting...then voting for the guy that gets the most votes on him. Coincidence, maybe, but also likely sheer opportunism/self-preservation, especially as you say you've got nothing except "lurker" on Chron. (I agree he's a lurker, but I think his lurking has scummy elements, and you don't seem to care about pursuing or recognizing such a distinction. And of plain old lurking and plain old opportunism, I'd classify opportunism as the scummier of the two). And...yeah. The Quizno claim.

Speaking of opportunism, what the

hell

was SC doing?

Revised list = SC > Ant > Chron > Inhim

Unvote, Vote: StrangerCoug

[rajrhcpfreak]

sorry dont buy it.

fake claim, we call him out. and then he changes it....

[StrangerCoug]

I'm Vannila Town under the Quiznos banner. All I have on chronopie is he's a competing wagon and he's a lurker.

Fail. Put more effort than that in your claim and cases.

Just double checked my Role PM... Del Taco *facepalm* Still VT anyway. Must've seen the first page PM too many times...

Fail. You should be double-checking your role PM

BEFORE

claiming anything. Now you're caught in a lie. Die, scum.

[lewarcher82]

mod: not knowing if we will or will not get an extension is making it very hard to proceed

However, I think we should hammer Ant, and if he flips town (dun think so: feel free to use this against me later in game) we will proceed tomorrow with wagon analysis.

[inHimshallibe]

vote: AntB

lolsamplePMclaim

I'm sorry I was blinded by the direct tunneling.

[inHimshallibe]

That was HAMMAH.

[inHimshallibe]

WTF Purple Orange. I wanted Hammer.

[inHimshallibe]

No, no, PO wasn't on AntB. All is well.

[AntB]

Thought I would've been hammered by now...

claming Quiznos was a genuine mistake, that's what I had written in my notes... defiantly seen it too many times...

Surprised Purple didn't lay the hammer down... No objection to my lynch, I'm L-1, yet no hammer... anyone else thinks its weird? push it D2. There's no more time to debate and a mislynch is better then no-lynch for the information provided from the flip...
@Lewarcher
I'm sure the mod would've confirmed an extension date by now... with little more than ~28 hours left until deadline and the replacements having caught up I can't see it happening.

p-Edit:
DEAD. Night all.

[lewarcher82]

why dead? you are at L-1