Blackest Night Mafia (GAME OVER!)

[AlmasterGM]

Also, Andrius, can you explain how you arrived at a tanstalas vote out of your giant wall?

[Andrius]

AGM, just read the page. lol

The Magna vote was old.
I wanted a new one.
Plum's case was bright and shiny and I saw the light, so I jumped over there.
Problem?
I did decide to sheep Fate though, so.

[AlmasterGM]

I did read the page, I didn't understand what you were talking about with this whole reveal/gambit/not a gambit/what? stuff.

[Andrius]

Oh.
I was deciding whether to gambit or not.
I'll just go with Plan A then.

But yeah. No claiming the color you got, no claiming ring status (unless you lose it later on).

Got it?

[Kdub]

Vi:
What is your opinion so far of the following players: Katsuki, nopoint, Starbuck? No, this is not a random list.

Magna & Fate:
It should be pretty easy to think of realistic scenarios where knowing colors can help scum. For example, what if colors are related to abilities? What if scum/SK win conditions involve something with the colors?

Also why so up in arms over Spyrex ‘outting’ colors when Andrius directly claimed either Violet or Indigo in his posts?

I actually missed where Andrius claimed his color choice when I read that post initially, but you are correct, I don't think he (or SensFan in recent pages) should have done that either.

I admit that my SpyreX vote is more of "he's being unhelpful/anti-town" rather than "he's being scummy" at this point. He hasn't done anything since then to make my change that opinion though.

Despite his poorly-reasoned (or rather, non-reasoned) vote, Andrius is likely town for bringing up the rings. No reason for scum to do that. Andrius, how about going with your own thoughts and not just following Fate because he told you to?

The continued harping on the role assignment thing by SensFan, as well as the contradiction pointed out by AGM, is starting to bug me.

Colour speculation is pointless, since the colours people submitted don't appear to be more than a minor connection to their role, if any, based on my role. Speculation about who the Mods may have favoured (which I have no idea about) will be fruitful, as per how I explained it. It's really not all that complicated.

Your role =/= everyone else's role, so you don't know how color may or may not be related in general, nor do you know whether any mod-preference in the role assignment (if there was any at all) extended beyond yourself since you made the point that the mods were upset with you specifically. The reason it's contradictory is that in both cases, you are speculating about the setup based on your role alone, yet you are calling one of them pointless and the other one fruitful.

Anyway, the real point is that you are really going out of your way to emphasize how unhappy you are with your role. If you are town, this is bad because you are giving away hints about your role. I'm conflicted over whether this is scummy or not, since it could conceivably be a gambit to get opposing scum to ignore you, but could also draw investigations/vigs. IGMEOY for now.

Plum:
Disagree with the part of your tans case that is based on his Andrius vote. It's plausible to me that he could have a read on someone, vote them, then start to question his reasons without removing his vote immediately. I do, however, agree that this is very strange:

The way you used the word 'frame' in your sentence to me struck a cord, hence why I asked you to give your definition of it. Usually when I think of framing someone I think of trying to make someone look guilty that you know is innocent which is why I asked you to define the word because there is no way I could know he is innocent (read: town) and I thought that only one group of people would know he was town, that being mafia, then I realized that the two scum groups most likely do not know who each other is. Though if you are scum then you would know the alignment of everyone save about 16% of the people in the gave (assuming 4/4/4/4/4/1 split)

Well duh, the scum groups don't know who each other is. It's unusual that you didn't assume/realize this immediately. It comes across as either extreme-VI (I don't have a ton of knowledge of tans' play in general, maybe others might know him better), or a poor excuse.

[Andrius]

I actually missed where Andrius claimed his color choice when I read that post initially, but you are correct, I don't think he (or SensFan in recent pages) should have done that either.

I was Baking. SensFan shouldn't have. I did what I did for a reason. But we're not color-claiming or ring-claiming now. I agree scum/SK might have an alt wincon, but I'd put my money on the SK rather than the scum. (Scum having an alt wincon we don't know about is OFF)

Andrius is likely town for bringing up the rings. No reason for scum to do that. Andrius, how about going with your own thoughts and not just following Fate because he told you to?

I did do that on purpose, of course. Someone had to before what I *think* may happen happens.
I have my own thoughts.
Fate didn't ask me, I offered.
I won't BLINDLY sheep him, but I trust him enough to go with him for now.

[tanstalas]

realized that the two scum groups

most likely

do not know who each other is. Though if you are scum then you would know the alignment of everyone save about 16% of the people in the gave (

assuming

4/4/4/4/4/1 split)

Well duh,

the scum groups don't know who each other is

. It's unusual that you didn't assume/realize this immediately. It comes across as either extreme-VI (I don't have a ton of knowledge of tans' play in general, maybe others might know him better), or a poor excuse.

I really do not know if the two scum groups know each other. The mods didn't say anything hinting either way. Granted if it is two 4 man scumteams I can't see them knowing each other, as 8 people would decimate the voting and be pretty lopsided. However that is going under the assumption that there are two scumteams of 4 people each. I do not know if the scumteams are comprised of 4 people each. Vi pointed out another similar number of people in a game and setup where there were 5 scum, 8 neutral and 11 town (total 24 players).

I'm kinda on the Vi train with thinking that 9 anti-town members for a 25 player game seems slightly high, though MOI did bring up two recent games that did have two 4 player scumteams. The only large game I was in on this site had two 4 man scumteams and an SK as well, but there were 3 more townies in that game (28 players)

Going from Vi's example from PoA maybe there is only 5 scum are on two seperate "colors" but they do know who each other is? Maybe there are only 5 scum on two seperate teams that do not know who the other scum members of the other team are.. I do not know.

Can anyone familiar with the lore of the comics advise if the two scum group colors we have interact at all in the comics? Do the Yellow and Red factions team up at all?

I bolded the important points of my post and the important points in yours. Do you see the difference?

You stated in a matter of fact tone that the scum groups don't know who each other are, I was hypothesizing about the possible setup. The key here for my reasoning of switching to you is that you are coming across that you know for a fact the scum teams do not know each other - which if you were town you would not know; you could only surmise.

Unvote:
Vote: kdub

[Kublai Khan]

@tanstalas (130): Okay, I guess. But I still don't understand why you would move your vote from SensFan to Andrius if you truly believed that the lower numbered players have the highest probability of being scum.

@SpyreX: Maybe I'm dumb or I missed it, but could you re-explain why you didn't submit town/town instead of town/sk if you wanted to be town?

but they complain to the wrong people we are the opressed not the opressors

Ugh. I'm the one feeling oppressed. Just get over your poutrage and write like a normal person.

And outing colors is bad, especially since RC told me something, and since RC can't shut up others probably know, so.

Ugh. Seriously? If it wasn't part of a role PM, then it should be public info.
Wait, is that the line you belayed? If so, then nevermind.

[xRECKONERx]

reck come back u forgot to vote kdubzzz

-_-

unvote vote kdub

there

i liek this sheep

[Vi]

I find that more than a little unfair, just for the record.

I'm calling it as I see it.

Plum vs. tanstalas 161 - I can go with this, at least after I see what Kdub has to say.

Plum and the Orange fallback choice - Actually, I'd wager more people wanted to be scum given SensFan.

I actually don't like the tone of Andrius' post 170. Soooo much of it is fluff.

AGM's excuse for not voting Kdub seems paltry.

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What is your opinion so far of the following players: Katsuki, nopoint, Starbuck? No, this is not a random list.

Katsuki - No idea. Somehow not as annoying as ecksReck's whining, but only barely.
npiau - He's trolling the thread. I've seen him play as Town before and he did quite the opposite, but I don't know if what he's doing is alignment-relevant.
Starbuck - I played with her before. As a Neutral party she basically fluffposted the entire 100+page game, from what I recall. That she's doing it again here doesn't particularly surprise me. Someone who knows her meta better than I do can tell me if she does that as Town as well.

The rest of the post isn't interesting in any way.

tans 206 is made of WTH for how wrong it is.

tanstalas isn't a bad vote, but I'm sticking with Kdub. I'm certainly looking forward to where this list is going.

[Starbuck]

1) I'm not complaining.
2) If it is old, why are you voting me? HRMMM

Because as of this post you are still going on about it (even in things not directed to me). Hence "time to sing a new tune".

I agree with Kublai Khan. Starbuck needs to stop posting non-scum hunting crap. We all need someone who knows flavor (I sure as hell don't), but we don't need more of what she's doing.

Did you happen to miss that I was answering Sens' question? I'm not just posting meaningless crap.

Also, do you understand why submitting purple was stupid? In the Blackest Night/Green Lantern universe, there are two shades of purple. Indigo and Violet.

is this lotr i coulda sworn it waasnt didn that game end already

LOTR only has 20 rings. There are way more in Blackest Night/Green Lantern. =)

Can anyone familiar with the lore of the comics advise if the two scum group colors we have interact at all in the comics? Do the Yellow and Red factions team up at all?

In Blackest Night, the bad guys are the Black Lantern Corps. Yellow and Red kinda of war with each other throughout different eras.

Starbuck - I played with her before. As a Neutral party she basically fluffposted the entire 100+page game, from what I recall. That she's doing it again here doesn't particularly surprise me. Someone who knows her meta better than I do can tell me if she does that as Town as well.

I've just taken quite a few months off from mafia, and I'm trying to get back into the swing of things.

[Starbuck]

Also, at least I'm posting, I'd like to hear something from Dekes and The Stove, Who have absolutely no posts in the thread yet.

[Jack]

vote:tantsalas

[The Stove]

We haven't posted yet? BLASPHEMY. ZIIIIITOOO!!!!!!!!!! *shakes fist*

Hello.

Can Sens stop bitching? Seriously. It's bringing down the mood.

Otherwise, I just hate half this game.

I like Plum for 162.

Need to confer with Zito.

I am with MoI on Sens != Honest here. I don't buy it on the fact that admitting to picking scum as a preference should confirm a player as town. It's a massive WIFOM trap that some people are falling into.

For Almaster's questions - I am down. Not sure if PZ is. Conferring.

[The Stove]

dammit 9 pages brb

[The Stove]

edit: oh hai AGar lulz

[Fate]

you have to discuss with your hydra whether u wil ansewr rvs questions???

lulwut

"Also,

at least I'm posting

" lolwut

[The Stove]

There's one relevant bit of info in those questions Fate. FTR I don't care how public we are with colors and choices and stuff because I don't see how they matter. We've got 2 scum teams, an SK and a bunch of townies, that's what matters.

I've just hit the top of page 7 and I'll probably have to reread this mess since it's already gotten pretty thick so AGar is likely to be along shortly with a vote etc.

[Jack]

Each color group has two town pr's. If scum know who's in what color group and two vanilla townies have died in one group, they can easily knock out the pr's.

^^^having written this, I have no idea where I got it and can't find it in the sign up thread.

[Fate]

u get it from ur scum role pm quicktopic

lol

iirc theres no revelant info at all except whether you would cheat or not and the moral implications of said questions

i mean u didn say 'lemme check with zito well see what our answers are' u said whther you would answer themor not
hmmmm

[The Stove]

The only relevant question is the first one, and I get why AGar would want to check in first about whether or not we should answer it. I personally don't care.

I'm done reading, got a headache. I'll let AGar throw the vote down but I let him know my preferences lie in: Tanstalas / Starbuck / Katsuki / KDub / xRx / Sens

[Toogeloo]

Each color group has two town pr's. If scum know who's in what color group and two vanilla townies have died in one group, they can easily knock out the pr's.

^^^having written this, I have no idea where I got it and can't find it in the sign up thread.

The only relevant info regarding setup that I saw was dana confirming that each faction (other than orange) would have at least one role that didn't have any abilities.

I really don't like Starbuck's "at least I'm posting," comment, especially considering she was called out for fluff posting, and then she posted more fluff with that tidbit at the end.


I dislike Hydras already. I was under the impression you guys would be signing your posts or something so they seem less schizophrenic. Realize, I don't do signatures, so if you are putting them down there, I don't see em, so I guess I will have to live with it.

[Toogeloo]

@Vi - You don't like Andrius' #170, but what do you feel about the rest of his posts, the ones mostly revolving around rings and colors, like, do you feel that is scum motivated?

[xRECKONERx]

you have to discuss with your hydra whether u wil ansewr rvs questions???

lulwut

"Also,

at least I'm posting

" lolwut

fate what r these blasphemous question marks i see
omg and quotation marks too

how could you


attn everyone
if any of you vote starbuck you will have my wrath upon you so quickly itll make your head spin

[Vi]

@Vi - You don't like Andrius' #170, but what do you feel about the rest of his posts, the ones mostly revolving around rings and colors, like, do you feel that is scum motivated?

Not really.

Signatures don't change per post, so all you're going to see is that The Stove is AGar and Papa Zito.
Their entrance to the game was basically terrible, particularly

It's a massive WIFOM trap that some people are falling into.

which sounds like they claim knowledge of which side of the WIFOM SensFan is coming from.
I doubt they have knowledge suggesting SensFan is more likely to be lying.

Again, anyone who has some form of Town meta on Starbuck and isn't xRx would be appreciated about now.