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Post Post #400 (ISO) » Tue Jan 04, 2011 2:47 am

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Kdub wrote:And how is his conditional reads based on Sens scummy?
Reck already did a good job of explaining why they're useless activity substitutes.
xRx #26 wrote:but once again this is all speculation based solely on the idea that sensfan is in fact scum
and there are like four people id rather lynch before sensfan so yeah
Plus even after saying this he still goes out of his way to call dramonic possible scum.
Kdub wrote:The Reck=SK theory is possible since D1 SK play looks similar to town play, but we'll deal with that later on if that's the case.
No idea how you got the impression that xRx's play looks similar to Town play, because if this is his Town play then joining the CAPS LAWCK alliance made him even worse at being Town than he was before.

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RC wrote:xRECKONERx [1] - KageLord, nopointinactingup
1+1=1

Three pages in eight hours and none of it looks interesting.

Although now that there are a bunch of votes on Kdub, let's look at this.

*Vi - on wagon for fluffposting
*Fate - ditto
*Andrius - on wagon because Fate said so
*tanstalas - on wagon for reasoning so bad I can't summarize it
*Katsuki - no reason aside from xRx not allowing him to pick tanstalas
*xRx - on wagon because Fate said so
*The Stove - no reason given

With that in mind, here's a quote.
Katsuki 397 wrote:i like how once vi calls reck sk everyone starts piling votes onto reck
this is almost a repeat of spyspy wagon early on all this sk voting needs looking at
spyspy wagon? more like kdub wagon.
Plus one of those THREE votes on xRx (xvart unvoted) has been there almost since the game started.

Have another one.

Unvote: Kdub
Vote: xRECKONERx
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Post Post #401 (ISO) » Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:08 am

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You guys post entirely too often in 24 hours. >.>
ReaperCharlie wrote:
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- KageLord, nopointinactingup
This for real or a mistake?
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Anyway, I have skimmed what I missed and I'm cool with keeping my vote where it is. The only legit case I have seen has been against Reck (by xvart, with some help from Vi's case). Plus, his personal attacks on whoever makes a case against him are just annoying. Tbh, I have only seen scum or third party do that without real provocation.

And I'm okay with a color claim. dram's reasons for it were quite persuasive. One of the only things I've seen against it was that the mods probably made something to counter it, but we can't really know that unless we try.
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Post Post #402 (ISO) » Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:24 am

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KageLord wrote:You guys post entirely too often in 24 hours. >.>
ReaperCharlie wrote:
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- KageLord, nopointinactingup
This for real or a mistake?
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Post Post #403 (ISO) » Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:41 am

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npia's reaction was scummy. And he said he picked based on preference for color, and I doubt his favorite colors are indigo and violet.
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Post Post #404 (ISO) » Tue Jan 04, 2011 4:17 am

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Vi wrote:@Russel Stover: Why Kdub?
17. Kdub - Bad SpyreX vote with 0 follow-up. Admits later it's a "Spy is anti-town" and not "Spy is scum" vote but doesn't shift.

Plus competing bandwagons are good. However:
Jack wrote:Starbuck quote makes her a good lynch.
That + her play here, I agree.

UNVOTE: Kdub
VOTE: Starbuck
Jack wrote:I wish AGar wasn't in a hydra...but still.
As you noted, Zito's favorite alignment is vig.

We submitted Town/Town and got Town. There's really not much sense playing in a hydra as scum.
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Post Post #405 (ISO) » Tue Jan 04, 2011 4:24 am

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^^^ Woops this was PZ btw.
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Post Post #406 (ISO) » Tue Jan 04, 2011 4:25 am

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Fair enough, I've never played in a hydra but I can see town being way more fun.
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Post Post #407 (ISO) » Tue Jan 04, 2011 5:05 am

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Jack wrote:npia's reaction was scummy. And he said he picked based on preference for color, and I doubt his favorite colors are indigo and violet.
I suppose his favorite colors can't be Blue and Green though, right?
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Post Post #408 (ISO) » Tue Jan 04, 2011 5:11 am

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vi shut the fuck up
you are really really not as good as you think you are

personal attacks and being erratic and obnoxious are my mo
if you want to see how i play as scum go read my wiki
protip
when im actually attempting to appear town im scum

fate please tell these muthafuckas to back the eff off before our masonry has to do something drastic
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Post Post #409 (ISO) » Tue Jan 04, 2011 5:12 am

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Katsuki wrote:reck i dont think nopoint is the lynch for today
how about settling for a nice juicy tender kdub wagon
how bout this
if you lynch npiau with me today
i will blindly sheep you for the rest of the game
lol jk but not rlly
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Post Post #410 (ISO) » Tue Jan 04, 2011 5:44 am

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Yeah, mistake in the votecount noted. Fixed once again, lol.

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Post Post #411 (ISO) » Tue Jan 04, 2011 6:10 am

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Vi wrote:Why did Plum just show up and say nothing scumhunting-related?
Because sometimes she is a tad bit lazy and sees something to respond to quickly and does so.
tanstalas wrote:I assume you meant initially instead of internally?
No, I meant internally. I was suggesting the possibility that you internally knew that you were deliberately making a BS case on Andrius. I'm still considering that.

I am unimpressed with Tans' claimed tinfoil hatting trying to suggest a random coincidence as in some way related the the likelihood of Spy being SK, which after I asked it doesn't even seem he ever suggested as a probability above null, given that he said he was trying to feel out Spy's reasoning with his vote, not that he actually thought Spy scummy

Andrius - Shoot, yeah, I mixed up Edmund's 'screw fate' soliloquy with that one; honestly it's been a while since I read
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Fate wrote:the fact that the only other person to pick up on kdubs scumminess was masterhunter vi shows me that kdub will indeed flip scum unlike obvlynchbait tanstalas over there

i mean i got him lynched as a survivor just because i could

hes that bad

vote real scum kthx
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You have meta/reason to belive scummeh Tans is somewhere in the range of par for the course? I'm interested over here. That said, I'm now debating the relative merits of Tans appearing as though he doesn't understand some basic setup structures going on that a scumbag would probably take for granted.

Starbuck, you seem to have accidentally misattributed an opinion of Vi's on your play to me.
The Stove wrote:I like Plum for 162.
How so/why?

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Okay, today some more stuff. First, I want to note that in Pledge of Allegiance I replaced into a slot which had chosen Town, but because of the nature of the game when I offered to replace I asked that it be on condition that I would get a Town role (or maybe I said just not a Mafia role, I don't remember exactly).

Did Dram really just FOS someone for saying he'd shoot himself N0? Uhhhhh.

So hold on. Tans voted Kdub for stating that the scum factions aren't unified . . . and Kdub voted Tans for using that as an excuse to hop on his wagon? Well, both are horrid, but. Problem is, it looks like Tans may have actually believed that the scumteam setup could've worked like that, and thoroughly, which really calls into question the theory that he is, in fact, scum, but I need to figure out where he started saying this, and time. Not have right this second.

Guderian, why did you vote Tans over Kdub? Your Post #247 seemed to have Kdub as scummier and Tans as more bad logic, but you voted Tans. Hmmm.

Having skipped ahead and read throygh Spy's trap, I'm inclined to see KK as worse, because all he says is that xvart mind-ninja'd him. While I am less than pleased by xvart's approach, him citing Spy's experience with drafting games at least indicates some thought. KK we can't see the subtleties which make xvart look at least like he might have been hunting for real.
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Post Post #412 (ISO) » Tue Jan 04, 2011 6:17 am

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xRECKONERx wrote:vi shut the fuck up
you are really really not as good as you think you are
When did I claim I was good? :roll:
Regardless, the same to you.
personal attacks and being erratic and obnoxious are my mo
if you want to see how i play as scum go read my wiki
protip
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Actually not a bad point; I don't think you're Mafia at least.

I actually don't like any of the major wagons at this point, so I'll sh33p Jack and annoy xRx at the same time.

Unvote: xRECKONERx
Vote: Starbuck
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Cut by Plum - I can vouch that tanstalas-terrible-Town appears to be par for the course. I'm not sure how to read him.
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Post Post #413 (ISO) » Tue Jan 04, 2011 7:32 am

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[quote=plum]Did Dram really just FOS someone for saying he'd shoot himself N0? Uhhhhh.[/quote] Yes, yes I did.
Your point?

@All: Does anyone have meta on NPIAU? This is beyond ridiculous and I'd like to know if it's natural.
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Post Post #414 (ISO) » Tue Jan 04, 2011 7:36 am

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Vi wrote:When did I claim I was good? :roll:
question isn't adressed at me, but...
In a game with crossfire,
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Heavily implies you evaluate yourself to be quite skillful <<

Then again...
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Post Post #415 (ISO) » Tue Jan 04, 2011 7:38 am

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Vi, I stated earlier that Reck's play is more similar to what I know of his town-play than his scum-play.

My limited experience with tans in the past is that he was town in Castlevania Mafia (which I co-modded with Magna), and his play was competent in that game. That is in stark contrast to his play so far in this game. Does anyone have scum-meta on him?

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Post Post #416 (ISO) » Tue Jan 04, 2011 7:43 am

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dramonic wrote:@All: Does anyone have meta on NPIAU? This is beyond ridiculous and I'd like to know if it's natural.
I did some research and he does seem to try harder / play legitimately as scum, and act like a VI as town. It's stupid ... but I did skim 3 scum games and 3 town games and that pattern was blatant in all of them.

The only caveat is that nopoint was the one who told me to go look up his meta ... which means he's conscious of it, which means it's possible he's intentionally playing around it. Occam's razor says that conspiracy theory is probably untrue, though.
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Post Post #417 (ISO) » Tue Jan 04, 2011 7:45 am

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P.S. There were obviously a lot more town games than scum games, so it's possible he's been competent-town before. However, I didn't see any games where he was incompetent scum. In fact, I think he survived till the end game in two of the three games I looked at.
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Post Post #418 (ISO) » Tue Jan 04, 2011 7:56 am

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dramonic - Other people seem to have the impression that I'm decent at Mafia.~ I don't consciously try to put on airs, at least.
More concerning is that I think you called Jack Bad at Mafia. You'll have to explain that one.

Kdub - Yes you did and I apolgize given that I changed my mind. My knowledge of xRx is pre-CAPS LAWCK, but his self-meta is fairly accurate from what I remember.
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Post Post #419 (ISO) » Tue Jan 04, 2011 8:00 am

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SpyreX, 347 wrote:Like I said, I didn't think about it much. I went "Town is awesome, SK might be fun, and if I get town then there's probably an SK because setting up a with first and seconds means that if anyone requested it, even as a second, they'd place it"
This is the last I'll say of it for now, but I find it very difficult to believe this was your thought process and subsequent actions, not to mention that I do not believe your thinking about the draft order process would be so faulty.
SpyreX, 347 wrote:That doesn't change not a whit at none of you mentioning Sens.
It does, actually. If you can point out SensFan's games where he has played/modded draft games or alignment selection games I'm all ears. You have a unique knowledge base (at least more so than probably a significant number of players in this game) due to your history.
SpyreX, 353 wrote:Ooou the scumteam building now.
Hardly. I think you both are scum independent of each other, there are two scum teams, so naturally I am trying to see if you might be on the same team or not. As I said, there is nothing definitive due to your mutual lack of interaction but Reck's comment makes it slightly more likely that you would be on a team together than not. But what is your beef with scum team building? Is it scummy to speculate on scumteams?
xRECKONERx, 356 wrote:because then scum would have to make up their own claims and we could wind up with like a shit ton of claims for one or two colors
then if there were only four claims in a certain color category all four of those people would be confirmed town
Right... because I'm sure that the scum teams would be stupid enough not to coordinate alternating color claims within their own faction; but to be fair, your point is relevant today if they did not have N0 discussion available to them.
xRECKONERx, 356 wrote:actually if you read closer i said that dram was townish for pointing out npiau being scummy
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i essentially maintained that my read on him remains the same unless sensfan flips scum
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i also stated there are plenty of people id like to lynch before sensfan
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In a two scum faction game how does that make dram townish? If you think that is a honest tell then wouldn't it just mean he was not scum with nopoint?
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You are contextualizing your dram read inaccurately. You have, on multiple occasions and in multiple ways, said SensFan is scum. Ergo, dram is scum. So saying that dram is townish unless SensFan flips scum is contradictory in a way.
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Why do you want to lynch others over SensFan? You talk a lot about SensFan being scum and a lot of reads building off of him being scum so why isn't he a higher priority? Why do you talk so much about SensFan?
xvart wrote:because dram lurks
then has to make catchup posts
in which he busses his buddies
listen if anyone on this site can read dram its me lets get serious here
And the point of talking about dram bussing but not bussing his entire team when he had given like one scum read all game was what? Just to be helpful?
nopointinactingup, 371 wrote:@xvart: I don't Spyrex saying he picked Orange second make him a liar. I mean the way I picked my color is by preference for the color instead of the alignment each color represents. So ...
You picked your colors based on what colors you like? Seriously? Even so, like I said to Vi, he did not say this so what purpose do you have speculating on a reason he might have given but didn't?
Kdub, 376 wrote:The case on Reck is stupid, of course scum will have safeclaims in a game this size and with the given flavor. And how is his conditional reads based on Sens scummy?
Reck has essentially made reference to SensFan being scum more than anyone else yet has no desire to lynch him right now. He has a lot of reads based on SensFan flipping scum. Meanwhile he is vote hopping around other people based on one post comments and other such things. He also has contradictory reads:
  • SensFan is scum;
  • If SensFan is scum then dramatic is scum; and,
  • Dramatic being scum is not likely (paraphrased from the "if dram is scum (a biggggg if)" comment).
So Reck thinks SensFan is scum, dramatic is not scum, but they both have to be scum together?

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Post Post #421 (ISO) » Tue Jan 04, 2011 8:21 am

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If you think I'm lying, vote. Don't go "ohhh, we'll do this again."

Put your money where your mouth is.

And when your initial premise is junk and lo and behold you're jumping wagons again on more junk (which I'll wait for others because wouldn't want to protect my super-awesome scumpartner) Its not worth the time.

As for "understanding" the draft process I understood the important part: I picked what I wanted in the order I wanted it (town/sk). The fact that their parsing system didn't match my thought process past that still doesn't mean a whit.

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Post Post #422 (ISO) » Tue Jan 04, 2011 8:36 am

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Toogeloo wrote:
Jack wrote:npia's reaction was scummy. And he said he picked based on preference for color, and I doubt his favorite colors are indigo and violet.
I suppose his favorite colors can't be Blue and Green though, right?
Why would you suppose that? /plays stupid

It is true that blue and green are the most popular colors, red is the third, even going by his word makes him somewhat more likely to be scum I think. But really ny possibly bogus explanation for color choice catches my eye.
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Post Post #423 (ISO) » Tue Jan 04, 2011 8:59 am

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SpyreX, 421 wrote:If you think I'm lying, vote. Don't go "ohhh, we'll do this again."

Put your money where your mouth is.
Seriously? I've been locked on you and "putting my money where my mouth is" with a vote pretty much all game.
SpyreX, 421 wrote:And when your initial premise is junk and lo and behold you're jumping wagons again on more junk (which I'll wait for others because wouldn't want to protect my super-awesome scumpartner) Its not worth the time.
Jumping wagons again? That's laughable. I've articulated exactly why I think both you and Reck are scum, independent of each other. I would love to lynch either of you today and it really makes no difference to me. I think lynching you today
might
give a slight hint of Reck also being scum with you but that is not really needed since he is scummy on his own merits. I've gotten no traction with the masses on getting you lynched so I'm going back the other direction. Even so, is vote hopping scummy?
SpyreX, 421 wrote:If I have a bullet, you're going sleepytime.
So your faction is going to kill me tonight?

Also, do I need to start bolding questions to you? Maybe make them larger or something?
xvart, 419 wrote:Hardly. I think you both are scum independent of each other, there are two scum teams, so naturally I am trying to see if you might be on the same team or not. As I said, there is nothing definitive due to your mutual lack of interaction but Reck's comment makes it slightly more likely that you would be on a team together than not.
But what is your beef with scum team building? Is it scummy to speculate on scumteams?
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Post Post #424 (ISO) » Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:02 am

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xvart wrote:
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In a two scum faction game how does that make dram townish? If you think that is a honest tell then wouldn't it just mean he was not scum with nopoint?
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You are contextualizing your dram read inaccurately. You have, on multiple occasions and in multiple ways, said SensFan is scum. Ergo, dram is scum. So saying that dram is townish unless SensFan flips scum is contradictory in a way.
3
Why do you want to lynch others over SensFan? You talk a lot about SensFan being scum and a lot of reads building off of him being scum so why isn't he a higher priority? Why do you talk so much about SensFan?
1 it made dram townish because i was like oh damn thats a good point
then i remembered how much dram loooooves to bus

2 its not contradictory because i said there are plenty of people id like to lynch before sensfan

3 sensfan is crucial to my dram read which in turn is crucial to my npiau read

in case you are having trouble grasping it im insinuating at sensfan-dramonic-npiau scumteam
but im not sure on the fourth yet
xvart wrote:And the point of talking about dram bussing but not bussing his entire team when he had given like one scum read all game was what? Just to be helpful?
what the fuck are you talking about
i used my meta on dram to get reads based on connections ffs

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do you guys not see how nopointinactingup didnt bother giving any serious effort into the game until we all forced him to
when i get nightkilled for being right please go after the dram sens npiau scumteam
kdub or guderian is probably their fourth but thats just gut
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