The Big Game

[Fate]

My gut is now saying CES.

But my pride is saying D_J.


hmmmmmmmm

[Fate]

Also I have a very good set-up speculation for dj-scum.

But we'll see what CES has in mind

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

My personal guess for the set-up is that your group had extra information of some sorts like an elaborate fake claim which ties in with a town role (Bible Verse Mafia had an SK with this) or just simply the entire set-up. You could've alternatively had a more pro-active information gathering role such as role cop. Those both sound fairly balanced to me (although I'd assume Zang was insane if the mafia did know the entire set-up) whereas nightless 7p with 2 paranoid cops does not; if you posit, as d_j seems to do, that the FSB-CIA link provides strong evidence for d_j being town, then this game is insanely balanced: scum need to either have a member look the towniest of all or scum need to have the 2nd and 3rd towniest-looking members. Sure, you might think the paranoid cops give the scum a free mislynch, but cops have a nasty habit of investigating scummy players anyway (e.g. Zang would've almost certainly been lynched before endgame) and I don't think the mislynch happens without one of the cops investigating the other one. There

must

be something more to this set-up and d_j's convenient cop claim strikes me as the best place to look (also: the only place to look).

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Uh, insanely

un

balanced, of course.

[don_johnson]

of course. the cop claim is the place to look. in fact, lets look anywhere except at the lurker who coasted on a fake mason claim with a player who he obviously knew was town. let's not look there.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

You have yet to explain how the fake mason claim thing was scummy; I thought the whole shebang was a fairly transparent lie and some harmless fun.

[don_johnson]

you fake claimed mason with another player. unless you know that player is town, you are running a pretty anti-town gambit and possibly clearing a scum. atm, fate is clear, so its easy to look back and say "oh, well i partnered up with a townie," but at the time, you should have had no clue as to fates alignment. i've heard of the mason claim gambit before, but its risky for those very reasons, and you have never once looked back and suspected fate at all. every townie we've lynched has accused fate of being scum. because townies look at all possibilities. but whatever.

we are in the hands of fate...

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

That firstly presumes that there was ever an intention of carrying it through to mass claim and secondly that Fate wasn't obvtown even then. I also don't see how it's supposed to tie into me coasting.

[don_johnson]

you carried it through. stfu.

and no. fate was never "obvtown" until he had the chance to hammer me and skipped it. with one more mislynch to go for a scum win, he hopped off your wagon at L-1. and you still gave him the townie cred? come on...

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

You do realise there's no way you can add 2 masons to a 7p game and expect it to remain balanced-looking, right? Carrying it through was never viable; the fact that Fate claimed before me is irrelevant.

And yes, he was obvtown (which isn't the same as cleared). If you didn't see it, that's your loss. His bout of voting for me was weird, yes, but that happened way after and also post-post-Jack celebrations.

[don_johnson]

You do realise there's no way you can add 2 masons to a 7p game and expect it to remain balanced-looking, right?

then why go with the claim?

Carrying it through was never viable; the fact that Fate claimed before me is irrelevant.

according to you, evidence is relevant. you can't have it both ways.

And yes, he was obvtown (which isn't the same as cleared). If you didn't see it, that's your loss. His bout of voting for me was weird, yes, but that happened way after and also post-post-Jack celebrations.

every town member has accused fate of being scum. you are the only one who has claimed his as "obvtown" the whole way through without any reservations. also, you still can't explain why his jump off your wagon didn't make you the least bit suspicious.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

then why go with the claim?

For fun and reactions.

according to you, evidence is relevant. you can't have it both ways.

Har har. Now respond to it.

every town member has accused fate of being scum.

Zang only did it prior to Uite's flip; Jack accused most people and his suspicion of Fate seems to last all of one's post; Dekes was obviously high.

also, you still can't explain why his jump off your wagon didn't make you the least bit suspicious.

1) It's Fate.
2) Too much suggested he was town for it to matter.

[don_johnson]

2) Too much suggested he was town for it to matter.

exactly my point. nothing "suggests" you are town. whatever suggested fate was town should not have overruled what should have been to townCES, essentially a pretty scummy looking hop in a game with what appears to be no mafia nightkill.

lynch pls.

[don_johnson]

P.S. Fate could well be lying about the mason thing; he tends to do that sort of thing.

yuppers.

[Fate]

I'm curious as to how me jumping off CES wagon when town dekes wouldva hammered ces town (from the pov of hypo fate scum) and then I would've had Dekes dead the next day.

Elaborate please dj

[don_johnson]

I'm curious as to how me jumping off CES wagon when town dekes wouldva hammered ces town (from the pov of hypo fate scum) and then I would've had Dekes dead the next day.

Elaborate please dj

?? who says you'd have dekestown dead the next day? if you were scum with no nk, then you need to do everything in your power to gain town points going into lylo. riding the townCES wagon damages your credibility, so you hop off. thus, if CES is town, he should at the very least be a tiny eensy weensy bit suspicious. but he's not. he never has been. and my earlier quote of his was to show that he actually did try to play both sides of the fence on your mason claim. but whatever. if you honestly think i fake claimed cop on day then by all means, hammer me.

[Fate]

VOTE: Don_johnson

ASK AND YE SHALL RECEIVE.

[mykonian]

"I knew it. It's all one big conspiracy!" The CIA finds ties with Al qaida all over the world. Every single institution they investigate is somehow connect to Al qaida. They only forgot to check themselves.

Don Johnson,

sane cop

was lynched.

With that, a tsunami of suicide bombers hit every single building of the United nations, taking out every single binding power the world still had. With the world in chaos, they finally did it.

Ces,

Al Qaida, Mafia Lightning rod

won the game for him and Uite!

[Fate]

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[Jack]

FATE. WHAT THE HELL.

[Fate]

D_J WAS CALLING ME SCUMMY FOR NO DAMN REASON I HAD TO TEACH HIM A LESSON.


YES I SINGLEHANDEDLY LOST IT.

YES I LET SCUM BLATANTLY BUDDY ME AND COAST ALL GAME.

LETS MOVE ON IM STILL BATTING >>500

[Fate]

FTR I thought CES wouldn't go out so eagerly as scum and would let the me and D_J fight boil over.

He came out with a WHA-BAM vote and I just thought he had me honestly read as town because its not that hard to read me is obvtown >_>


But here we are.

[Fate]

And D_J your play was completely OBSESSED with your frigging cop role to the point where I thought it was just bad acting for a fakeclaim.

Seriously ever single post was about you and your sanity and about no-;ynchin blah blah blah.

You didn't even bother scumhunting until...hell if I remember

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Woo! Victoire!

[Jack]

Oh well, other than hammering zang I have no regrets. And I was very very confused at that point and was doing it on PoE.

Fun game.